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Attorney: FBI Trained NJ Blogger to Incite Others(Hal Turner-Government Informer!!)
Associated Press ^ | 08/18/09 | Katie Nelson

Posted on 08/18/2009 2:33:06 PM PDT by NetLiberty

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) - A New Jersey blogger facing charges in two states for allegedly making threats against lawmakers and judges was trained by the FBI on how to be deliberately provocative, his attorney said Tuesday.

Hal Turner worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an "agent provocateur" and was taught by the agency "what he could say that wouldn't be crossing the line," defense attorney Michael Orozco said.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: entrapment; fbi; halturner
Further to the comments in this thread, the FBI has often used "agents provocateur" to incite people to make threats or act out. As most of us know, this was done against the radicals in the 1960s and apparently is being done against us now.
Word--and warning--to the wise, and to all of us here on FR.
1 posted on 08/18/2009 2:33:07 PM PDT by NetLiberty
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To: NetLiberty

Abolish the FBI. Nothing but a bunch of crooked, creeping busybodies.


2 posted on 08/18/2009 2:35:19 PM PDT by Rodebrecht (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: NetLiberty

Holy entrapment, Batman, set the kitties alert status to plaid if they’re gonna be pulling that kind of carp.


3 posted on 08/18/2009 2:36:31 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Caution: Angry crowds in the mirror are LARGER than they appear.)
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To: NetLiberty

“Word—and warning—to the wise, and to all of us here on FR.”

Nothing to worry about...we’ve already been “flagged” and “phished” I am sure...I know I have personally indulged in self-flagulation...as far as provocateurs go...don’t we already have them?

jess, who isn’t sure what to make of provocateurs...


4 posted on 08/18/2009 2:37:34 PM PDT by jessduntno (Privatization + Inter-State Sales + Individual Policies + Tort Reform = Healthcare Reform)
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To: NetLiberty

I wonder what his FR screen name is.


5 posted on 08/18/2009 2:37:48 PM PDT by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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To: NetLiberty
Prosecutors have acknowledged that Turner was an informant who spied on radical right-wing organizations, but the defense has said Turner was not working for the FBI when he allegedly made threats against Connecticut legislators and wrote that three federal judges in Illinois deserved to die. "But if you compare anything that he did say when he was operating, there was no difference. No difference whatsoever," Orozco said.

No difference because the other 50% were trolls from the Southern Poverty Law Center, ACORN and the White House ... I'll bet "flag" was shut down because all the "hate" stuff in the US is generated by left wing groups trying to discredit right wing groups. And I'm not kidding about that...

6 posted on 08/18/2009 2:39:08 PM PDT by GOPJ ("Fishy rumors posters" Check 'em out:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2311664/posts)
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To: AAABEST
I wonder what his FR screen name is.

He might have several... He's the hothead who "can't take it anymore" and the person who wants you to pray for his second cousin's cat.. ( stops real communication between us) . Or he's the second one on a post who "cast doubt"... so many troll tactics...

7 posted on 08/18/2009 2:42:37 PM PDT by GOPJ ("Fishy rumors posters" Check 'em out:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2311664/posts)
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To: NetLiberty
Hal Turner, another victim of the great intertubal butthurt squad. Among the flying residues from that blast of the lulzcannon was clear evidence of contact with his FBI handlers.
8 posted on 08/18/2009 2:44:39 PM PDT by M203M4 (NEW New Deal: A pot through every window!)
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To: AAABEST

Hal Turner. Banned too.


9 posted on 08/18/2009 2:44:45 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: GOPJ

His screen name was Hal Turner. He was banned.


10 posted on 08/18/2009 2:45:32 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: NetLiberty
".. Prosecutors have acknowledged that Turner was an informant who spied on radical right-wing organizations, but the defense has said Turner was not working for the FBI when he allegedly made threats against Connecticut legislators and wrote that three federal judges in Illinois deserved to die..."

This disclosure should be more dangerous to Turner than a Federal prosecution. Nobody likes a rat.

11 posted on 08/18/2009 2:46:16 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: NetLiberty
I am not surprised by this story (not that I think it's true, mind you).

Hal Turner, aka "Hal from North Bergen", was a regular caller on the Bob Grant Show ages ago when Bob was on WABC, before moving to WOR.

My knowledge of Hal comes once-removed. I know someone else who started a talk show on a local station in Northern New Jersey. This guy was paying for the airtime, mind you. He invited Hal, Frank from Queens and John from Staten Island to be the regular panel to talk about the issues.

It got a bit heated, and there was friction with the studio, and my friend suggested to Hal that he should take a week off. Hal suggested that the guy paying the bills should take a week off. Yeah. Hal was gone after that.
The damage was done, however, and the station pulled the plug not long after. Frank and John went on using the name "The Right Perspective" on the Internet.

Hal was a piece of work.
He had a FR account, briefly, years ago. (Early 2000s, maybe). If he's used it since then, I've been lucky and missed his rants.

12 posted on 08/18/2009 2:48:17 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: Tanniker Smith

He was banned. :-)


13 posted on 08/18/2009 2:52:04 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Not surprising.


14 posted on 08/18/2009 2:56:42 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: Rodebrecht

Church Committee Oversight Uncovered FBI Spying on Innocent Americans

In the early 1970s, revelations about the FBI spying on innocent Americans shocked the
country. Led by Senator Frank Church, Congress thoroughly investigated allegations of
FBI abuses and made recommendations to prevent further abuse. What the Church
Committee found was breathtaking.
From the 1950s through the early 1970s, the FBI and other intelligence agencies launched
various domestic programs to spy on Americans. Political dissidents, anti-war activists,
civil rights activists, groups from the left to the right were infiltrated, disrupted, and
harassed, often for nothing more than exercising their First Amendment rights.2 For
example, government agents infiltrated the “Women’s Liberation Movement.”
FBI
sources reported on the formation of the Conservative American Christian Action
Council, and even collected information about the anti-Communist John Birch
Society.
3 The NAACP was investigated to determine if it “had connections with” the
Communist Party. In the first year of the investigation, the FBI issued a report stating that
the NAACP had a “strong tendency” to “steer clear of Communist activities.” No
evidence was ever adduced by the FBI to rebut this report, yet the FBI investigation
continued for a total of twenty-five years.4


15 posted on 08/18/2009 2:58:05 PM PDT by Marty62
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To: NetLiberty

Warning PAAALEEEZE. It is just a matter of acceptance that everyone that posts here gets the’s a once or twice over by the Alphabet agencies.

Until there is a Constitutional Convention that strips Americans of the Right to Free speech, they better leave us alone. I have been on FR since 96-97-98 can’t remember the exact year, but everyone that has been here that long know the rules and WHEN the TROLLS are present.


16 posted on 08/18/2009 3:05:59 PM PDT by Marty62
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To: NonValueAdded

This explains so much for me.

Why this guy was posting on white supremacy web sites and posting links from FR to these sites while observing the references to these sites by embedding the links.

These were old posts and appear to be from the time he was working for the FBI.

The guy was phishing to determine relationships between FR and these sites. Apparently he got nothing other than dragging FR’s Name through the mud by giving left wing Bloggers ammo.

This was a dirty trick by the FBI to Smear FR.

FR needs to come up with a tool to catch all of these links to sites like this so these references can be reviewed to make sure they are kosher. Never know when a hidden embedded link will become fodder for some left wing blogger.


17 posted on 08/18/2009 3:09:51 PM PDT by dila813
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To: NetLiberty

FBI Inciting the mob to violence and Hal was a FBI Plant on FR, who would have thunk that no only we would get this story, the FBI would confirm it.


18 posted on 08/18/2009 3:16:52 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

Do you remember that troll from D.C tht kept getting banned and would keep coming back with new names. It seems he only stopped when his name and address was posted. You know this guy isn’t the only one. I seem to remember one period where there was a concert attack by “neo-nazi,kkk” types. Wonder if they were part of this cabal formed by the FBI.


19 posted on 08/18/2009 3:29:33 PM PDT by Marty62
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To: Marty62

No I don’t, but you have been here from Mar 25, 2009 so how would you remember anything?

Sorry, anyone one that has joined since Obama landed gets more scrutiny.


20 posted on 08/18/2009 3:36:41 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Marty62

You mean the stormfront idiots?


21 posted on 08/18/2009 3:40:50 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: dila813

Sorry beat you, I had to change my screen name. I was under Marty60 from the beginning. Had to leave for a while due to family illness and death. So try taking a chillpill.


22 posted on 08/18/2009 3:46:27 PM PDT by Marty62
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To: Marty62

Have to ask, no prob.


23 posted on 08/18/2009 3:49:13 PM PDT by dila813
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To: DJ MacWoW

Is that who was behind that filth. I’m so glad Jim was 10 steps ahead of them.
I remember when we used our e-mail addresses, how long did that last a couple of months. I know it got hairy with direct e-mails from the scum.


24 posted on 08/18/2009 3:49:31 PM PDT by Marty62
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To: Marty62
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that what you're remembering is stormfront. They still sneak in now and then but get banned.

I don't remember getting any emails when our addy's were included but then in the beginning I read more that I posted. I was sure that everyone was waaaaaaaay smarter than me. Now I know they are but they let me talk anyway. LOL

25 posted on 08/18/2009 3:53:02 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Marty62

You can’t get into your old name? You should contact a Mod and see if they can help.


26 posted on 08/18/2009 3:55:09 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: NetLiberty
Tommy the Traveler of the 21st century...
27 posted on 08/18/2009 3:55:22 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I had lost some of my files , no password. Had to change it, I contacted Jim but it’s fine. I just miss the kind of personal (for internet) connection I lost. Especially from long time people I respect.


28 posted on 08/18/2009 4:04:07 PM PDT by Marty62
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To: Marty62

That’s a shame. Really. Have you thought of putting your old handle in your tagline spot? Then more people would recognize you.


29 posted on 08/18/2009 4:10:39 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Thanks for the suggestion ...never thought of that...


30 posted on 08/18/2009 5:32:58 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Marty62

You’re welcome!


31 posted on 08/18/2009 5:36:34 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: NetLiberty; 04-Bravo; aimhigh; andyandval; Arizona Carolyn; backhoe; Bahbah; bert; bilhosty; ...
"agents provocateur" to incite people to make threats or act out.

Way beyond "flag" ....

32 posted on 08/18/2009 5:54:30 PM PDT by GOPJ ("Fishy rumors posters" Check 'em out:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2311664/posts)
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To: NetLiberty

btt


33 posted on 08/18/2009 11:32:16 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; Diogenesis; pissant; The Sons of Liberty; Mrs. Don-o; 2ndDivisionVet

ping


34 posted on 08/19/2009 5:23:12 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: NetLiberty
Sound like the clock is ticking louder.


35 posted on 08/19/2009 5:39:33 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: NetLiberty

Hal Turner in being held without bail.

link is here

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2009/08/12/danger-to-the-community-bail-denied-for-man-who-wrote-about-judges/


36 posted on 08/19/2009 7:03:15 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: NetLiberty
Think of this when you go to a TEA party or join a group like Oathkeepers.

The greater likelihood is that the radical guy you are talking to is working for the Fedgov.

37 posted on 10/22/2009 5:42:09 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
>>>> "Think of this when you go to a TEA party or join a group like Oathkeepers.
>>>> "The greater likelihood is that the radical guy you are talking to is working for the Fedgov."
<<<<

Much wisdom in your posting, there seems to me to be a lot of enthusiastic melodramatic sensationalistic "theater" going on nowadays -- and I sometimes wonder how much of it consists of intentional attempts to enflame & ensnare & entrap elsewise innocent naive individuals.

Do you happen to believe, as many have posited, that our country is on the brink of a civil war?

38 posted on 10/27/2009 4:55:41 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: NetLiberty

All the worlds a stage - and all the men and women merely work for the government?


39 posted on 10/27/2009 5:13:51 AM PDT by carmody
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To: hennie pennie

No, not at the brink.

I have studied to much history to think that.


40 posted on 10/27/2009 7:41:32 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
Thanks. I agree with you. It's really difficult for me to conceive of how national civil disorder could occur, you know -- from coast to coast, much less outright warfare, unless we were already nationally devestated by multiple nuclear attacks, or a supervolcano eruption, or a massive meteor strike - something so big & vast and disabling that most of our entire infrastructure simply couldn't function. Not function at all.

That's really difficult to imagine.

Some of my friends seriously believe that something 'ODD' will occur, some type of "wild card" event, out of the sky blue, utterly unexpected will occur - which will radicalize the population into separate groups who then fight eachother, on a large scale like outright civil war, but I total disagree.

Certainly, as you suggest, historically speaking, there would have to be many many many more factors at work to bring a huge nation, comprised of so many different groups & interests, to the ACTUAL brink of civil war.

41 posted on 10/28/2009 5:46:59 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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