Skip to comments.Obama's parents didn't live at newspaper birth address
Posted on 08/18/2009 6:38:14 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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At most, Ann Dunham Obama and her son lived at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway only a few days, and there is no evidence Barack Obama Sr. ever lived there, despite the address having been listed in the Honolulu newspapers as the residence of the parents.
Very likely, the neighbor, Beatrice Arakaki, did not recall the Obama family because the primary residents were the grandparents, the Dunhams.
In a separate listing, Ann S. Obama, Obama's mother, is identified as a student living at the 6085 Kalanianaole Highway address...
As WND previously reported, a Honolulu title search documented 6085 Kalanianaole Highway was purchased in 1958 by Orland Scott Lefforge, a University of Hawaii professor, and his wife/companion Thelma Young, who remained owners into the 1970s.
The Polk Directory shows Lefforge and Young living at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in 1963, not when they purchased the home in 1958.
I’m not tracking this. I thought the owners lived in the house.
comment #86 is a repost of a comment posted by Chief Engineer.
What is this Polk thing and why does it have listings for both Hawaii and Washington?
I don’t trust anyone in Hawaii that has been involved in any of this. Trying to make anyone believe they lost the records of one student makes you wonder what is being hidden.
He is a total fraud IMHO. In fact, I would love to know if he went to college as a foreign student because he could get scholarships and it was basically at no cost.
A fire at the NPRC in St. Louis on July 12, 1973, destroyed about 80 percent of the records for Army personnel discharged between November 1, 1912, and January 1, 1960. About 75 percent of the records for Air Force personnel with surnames from “Hubbard” through “Z” discharged between September 25, 1947, and January 1, 1964, were also destroyed.
That’s the one. We were unable to retrieve much for my father-in-law, who was discharged from the army in ‘51.
From Chief Engineer #86 “As I said I am still waiting to find out when he returned to teach at UH but it is definite he and Thelma and their three children were living at the birth announcement house in 1961.”
From WND: “The Polk Directory shows Lefforge and Young living at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in 1963, not when they purchased the home in 1958.”
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Good luck on that...
I'm an Aussie, I can't answer 'what is this Polk thing' - what I want to know is - why can't we see the full page?
If what was posted recently is true...his BC is not a legal document because Grandma had the BC made out WITHOUT either the mothers name nor the fathers name on it. So his BC from Hawaii is pretty much worthless.
I only have my Dad’s records because he had asked for his records in the 60’s when they were still available.
Apparently that was a wrong assumption based on the record of ownership.
Has anyone looked for any papers on his birth in Canada?
Polk city directories. since 1870. They are everywhere, or most places anyway. I imagine the HI and WA listings came from different books, each published in or near the area.
SEATTLE 1961/62 POLK.
I want to see phone bills for the house and the cottage for that time period.
I spent hours one day trying to explain to various people here that the record of title does not prove who lived in the house. Oh well!
I just got some WWII Navy discharge records this summer at the county courthouse. It took all of five minutes. No fuss, no muss. Actually, they are more of a condensed version of the DD 214 but it’s more than nothing. I’m surprised people haven’t done more research at the courthouse and at HI genealogical and local libraries. It’s also amazing how the newspaper offices can’t seem to come up with the original papers.
I filed my daughter’s discharge papers from the Navy at the Court House here last year so they would always be available.
It never dawned on me until I was talking to the County Clerk and she said they need to be filed so they are always available.
In 1961, many people still didn’t have phones so one would imagine fewer families had phones on the island than on the mainland (my family didn’t get one until ‘68 at the city house and never did get one at the farm). Considering the neighborhood was ritzy, the main house might have had a phone but it’s doubtful there would be one in the guest house/cabin/cottage.
Eleanor Nordyke, you've still got some explaining to do!
Don’t assume the answer. It requires proof or at least asking for the proof.
Yes, where are the Whistleblowers? I found the following last fall but have to admit I don't have the source:
"A retired INS agent who worked when Obama came into the United States stated he distinctly remembered Obama because of his 'slick' manners and speech. The agent says that he went back into the INS files and found the information and that Obama came into the USA on a FS-1 passport/visa. FS-1 is a foreign student visa classification, not a US citizen passport."
So, who out there can get into the INS files and find Soreto/Obama's record of entry into the USA?
I agree, I’m not sure what they are up to but I don’t trust them.
Do we know he really went to that kindergarten? Was it photoshopped? Maybe he only was there a few weeks, long enough to be in that picture but not long enough to finish the paperwork?
how does one seal their records? maybe we can all seal our records from the government. also what makes people vote for someone with no past?
I have been thinking about this overnight.
I don’t trust WND. Didn’t they say that had documents similar to the Kenya birth certificate but never showed them ..then Bomford comes out. How could those documents have been similar? Then they disavowed the Kenya BC.
Now all of a sudden they get info from a Polk directory. Wasn’t Polk mentioned before by them..why didn’t they have this information long ago? How many posts have there been all over the internet about Dunhams not owning that address? then all of a sudden they are in the Polk Directory.
can anyone independently confirm this info?
All of their info needs to be independently verified. Such as the claim about newborn babies not being able to fly. Surely there is some pilot on this site that might be able to find out that info. If anyone knows of one send them a private message.
They had an article on their site that claimed Obama said in a certain speech that he was born at Queens hospital. I tracked down that speech. He said no such thing. I don’t know if that article was an Op Ed piece or what it was ...but whoever wrote it was wrong. Intentionally wrong? I don’t know.
then there is the problem of Orly Taitz. Is she really that bad of an attorney?? There are people here who have tried to help her with a negative response. I don’t know the details. Just have seen cryptic messages. How could she be that bad? She can’t even follow court rules. Courts have rules. She doesn’t appear to care or bother to check.
Did she bother to check that Obama likely never was a British Citizen if born in the US due to the fact that the marriage between Sr and Ann would have been a Void marriage? Has she prepared a defense on that matter? Has she consulted an immigration attorney as the UK immigration laws are complex?
Why are people coming on this site and claiming Apuzzo has 20 years of practicing in immigration law when Justia.com and Martindale-Hubbard indicate no such thing.
Thank goodness there were two people that fired Taitz and got another attorney.
I am looking at everything with a jaundiced eye because Rahm could very well have MOssad contacts because of his father..and I think the CIA was involved with Obama’s family (and probably the KGB)..and we have the revelation that Hal Turner was used by the FBI to incite the right wing.
How do we know if some of these people are being used against us?
Something just doesn’t seem right about WND’s antics.
I think both. KGB could have done some of this..but not all of it.
Maybe there was some double or triple agenting going on.
This whole charade about the house just helps confirm this. Where was the professor? Where was his family? Who financed the house?
Can Polk be looked up by name? Obviously so. So has WND looked for the owners of the house?
This whole thing stinks to high heaven...and now we have two people..who likely had contacts with intelligence agencies (CIA and Mossad)...now showing an Anti-Israel stance.
WTF is going on?
M. Begin lead the Irgun and he is the one that gave away Israel land to Egypt. Now we see Obama wanting Israel to give up land and we know that Rahm has the power..along with Daley and Soros.
Corsi should have been contacting the guy involved with the Bay of Pigs invasion and asking about this claim that the CIA knew Obama’s mother was pregnant by Cuban.
We know nothing about his past, not even his real name.
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Is there a realistic possibility of creating a fund to pay for the defense, with significant amounts left over in case the case is lost, to entice/ inspire someone with real information to make it public?
Suppose a fund of $1 million was offered to a whistle blower. What would be the maximum sentence they would risk to leak actual information from the INS and/or the Passport office?
On the other hand perhaps no dollar reward is high enough to risk an ‘accidental’ death!?!
That's WND for you. If their writing was at the average level of posts on FR, it would be an improvement.
ChiefEngineer made her last post on FR in early July. She is now in Canada and fighting for her life. Unable to get medical help for breast cancer in the US she returned to her family in British Columbia and was able to get herself reinserted into BC Health. She will be having radical surgery soon because the cancer has spread and then she will be getting radiation and chemo treatments. She is very, very sick and needs our prayers and good wishes not someone shouting in CAPITAL LETTERS about sources. I contacted her about her request to the UH to find out when Lefforge had returned there to teach but she said they never responded.
Fred I really appreciate your passion for this investigation and all the interesting things you have discovered. I check you out every day to see what’s new and you always impress me. Perhaps you could contact the UH now to find out more about Lefforge and when he taught there. Perhaps you could also find out what addresses they have for him. Perhaps snail mail would bring forth a better response than email although perhaps it would be good to do both.
I agree that the constitution makes for interesting reading, but how can our rulers rule us if we’re constantly pestering them over trivialities? (Sarcasm/Humor)
There is an irony in there somewhere..but hopefully she will pull through.
Polk has a free trial. Who wants to be the first to sign up and do a little digging on their free trial?
Things like that happen. I know a man who had a fling with a woman from South America. Later, she called him up from her country and told him she had just had a baby and it was his and all she wanted was for him to acknowledge the child as his and for him to put his name of the B.C. He did, for stupid reasons (she was a minor celeb in her country) and low and behold, the child has my friend’s last name AND a US passport. Now, it’s obvious to everyone that the child isn’t his, and the mother also had a fling with a person of a different race from her & my friend and the child looks like that racial group. Nevertheless, my friend has supported the now adult offspring for years and refees to him as “my son.” Everyone else knows that the mother scammed him.
The way Bill CLinton’s mother did.
So, in 1961 doctors said it was okay for a pregnant woman who’s do at any moment to travel across the ocean to Washington. Or she traveled when he was fresh out of the womb. I don’t think so. Times were different back then.
Sure it's worth the risk. If a true whistleblower came out, he/she would be 'going public' and be an instant international celebrity known to the world. If the person had an 'accident', it would immediately be suspect and the O camp would have to cover it up. The coverup got Nixon. .
Well at least wnd.com is actually DOING some investigative reporting...
Can you name any other sources who are?
The NYT, LAT, NEWSWEEK, TIME...anyone?
Maybe you've been spending too much time over at the DU....
“when you can't rebut the message...damn the messenger.”
Bear in mind that Barack Sr.'s family was not poor. They were influential in Kenyan politics, and apparently were able to support him in college. Not very many foreign students studied in the US in that era, especially not very many Africans. In addition, there may have been youth discount fares available in some situations of which Ann could have taken advantage.
“Woah, now, this doesnt jibe at all with the research, with sources, done right here on FR, and elsewhere. Im recalling FReeper Chief Engineer was one of the main researchers (or a SN with engineer in it, sorry if its not you, CE). The house was for sale and vacant, and then the Lefforges bought it, before Obama was reportedly born. There was even speculation that Madelyn Dunham was aware of the vacancy through her position in the mortgage department at the bank, and that she must have thought it a safe address to use for the announcement that she initiated herself.”
Geez, this is easy to check through the mortgage records.
Don’t we have anyone at all on our side for such a simple tack?
How about a Freepathon to raise the money???????
Was the person who handed those BC’s to you a member of the family?