Skip to comments.Obama's parents didn't live at newspaper birth address
Posted on 08/18/2009 6:38:14 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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Excellent suggestion. When will you start?
Tax records have already been checked by Chief Engineer. She’s ill with cancer and unable to continue.
I’m amazed at how little focus has been given to Toots and her possible gaming of the systems of birth registry, social services manipulation, and possible outright ID fraud. There is a reason why she and Stanley senior left good digs and jobs in Washington State to take a teller’s position in Hawaii. And has anyone really dug into her (Toot’s) seeming meteoric rise in banking in Hawaii? How about how Stanley Ann got hooked up with the Ford Foundation micro-loans scams? One way scammers remain undetected is by keeping a low profile, like not buying a house but renting their whole life. Did Toots know how to game the systems of our capitalist society, raking off cream from many sources and funding Barry’s expensive educational forays? Did she teach Barry any of these fraudulent methods via experience? ... So many questions are going unasked!
Tax records/assessments from 1961 would tell us if the little dwelling out back was there in 1961. Has anyone verified that yet?
Your question is silly and facetious. I got the documents from the state.
I applaud WND for its investigative reporting, I lament its deficiencies in journalistic professionalism.
Rush Limbaugh is effective not only because of what he says, but so too because of professional excellence in the craft of being a talk show host.
WND needs a good editor, as its High School newspaper journalistic standards diminish the credibility of its groundbreaking investigative reporting.
Meant to ping you ...
Sorry if it came out sounding that way.
I was only trying to point out that there are other people, who are not relatives, who can, or have seen, any one person's Birth Certificate.
“Have you seen the cottage??? I highly doubt the Dunhams were staying in that..although it is possible.
Can you post a photo of it???
Governor Lingle did not see nor lock away the BC. Only Okuba and Fukino saw it. WND stated that it was sealed by Lingle and that wasn't true. WND is not always a reliable source. See post 131.
When debating this issue with lefty trolls, I never use WND as a source.
Btw, I’ve been “had” using WND so I don’t. We need unimpeachable sources.
Obama ought to just release his records and stop all this speculation. It would be presidential thing to do.
“Who wants to look for a microfilm birth announcement in Hawaii papers for the usurpers sister at about the time she was being born in Indonesia?”
Very interesting scenarios and questions. None of the dots seem to connect, unless it was some kind of plot that went horribly wrong.
“There are at least five government workers who have recently plead guilty to viewing celebritys passport information, as well as presumably several more who were involved in processing BHOs application as part of their legitimate duties. I wonder why nothing has leaked regarding what any of them found about about BHO from surreptitious or valid access?
Yes, where are the Whistleblowers? I found the following last fall but have to admit I don’t have the source:
“A retired INS agent who worked when Obama came into the United States stated he distinctly remembered Obama because of his ‘slick’ manners and speech. The agent says that he went back into the INS files and found the information and that Obama came into the USA on a FS-1 passport/visa. FS-1 is a foreign student visa classification, not a US citizen passport.”
So, who out there can get into the INS files and find Soreto/Obama’s record of entry into the USA? “
and where are the ex-girlfriends ... ???
I will donate to someone else living much closer to the sources than me.
Will everyone else?
That was fast!
And where did his mentor Frank live .... ???
POLK will have a list on Insurance Businesses and possibly people selling insurance listed in it.
A while back, we researched Orland and Thelma Lefforge's daughter as "Andrea Lefforge Harper" and found that in April 9, 1942, Orland attended Officer Candidate School at Fort Sill, OK -- an Army Warrant Officer. FYI, we found this information by searching for his his daughters name, not Orland Lefforge.
Orland Lefforge graduated from OCS on June 30, 1942 and almost no further information can be found regarding his military service. Part of his training, however, was at the now-closed Fort Benjamin Harrison in Indianapolis. Many different military subjects were taught at Ft BH, but one of them did not change over the years -- foreign language training (a/k/a, linguistics). Thus may have been a tie between Ann Dunham and Barak Obama SR, who met in Russian class at Univ. of Hawaii, and Orland Lefforge, who had a PhD in "Speech" (a very broad term).
For those who don't know, Ann Dunham Obama's mother, Madelyn Dunham ("Toots"), reportedly worked during WWII on a Boeing B-29 assembly line in Wichita, KS. She and her husband lived in Wichita, KS, and in Ponca City, OK (1948-1951).
It has been alleged that Ann Dunham Obama's father, Stanley Armour Dunham, had been suspected of espionage during World War II. He served in Germany, as Obama Jr likes to aggrandize.
Boeing reportedly has a 1944 security file on Stanley Armour in connection with suspected sabotage of B-17 aircraft at its Wichita, Kansas plant, and the theft of B-29 blueprints which made their way to the German intelligence agency, the Abwehr. Those suspicions may have prompted Dunham to move his family from Kansas to Washington (near the Boeing facility there), as part of an internal company cover-up to minimize damage on future contracts with the DoD.
If EITHER of them were spies (actual or alleged), they would have been easy targets for manipulation by ANY nation that had dirt on them (actual or by proxy) during the Cold War.
WND has wandered out into fantasy land more than once over the past few years. I quit reading them until they were the only ones with “up to the minute” BC news. They have a history of not following up on promised bombshells. I’ve had a sneaking feeling about them so don’t bookmark and have wondered the same as you if they are leading us on a merry chase. Just take what they say with a pound of salt and then try to verify it through other sources.
What, you didn't get the memo?
One word - Harris.
Send her our best.
Are we sure what pops up on the Polk site is what is in the original books?
Abwehr -Anti-Hitler faction
Abwehr dissolved in 1944.
They knew about the July 20 plot to kill Hitler. After that plot Hitler got rid of the the regular military salute and enforced the Hitler salute as a requirement.
Interestingly, Hitler did not have a high regard for military . Sort of like Obama. He was afraid of a coup.
There is plenty of info about there about Abwehr collaborating with OSS.
And I can see possible reasons as to why the OSS would have Stanley steal the documents.
No, but you could call the toll free number and ask some questions on how you could obtain old info.
Current owner claims the cottage was there. It is in an article that had the pic of the cottage on the Honolulu Advertiser site.
Sr. had backers. It wasn’t his family who paid.
Thanks, I was really curious about that.
I wonder why Toots didn’t have any friends. I assume she didn’t have any friends, neighbors, co-workers, or even aquaintances since no one in Hawaii or Washington is talking about the good old days. Was she that low under the radar or what?
It’s also strange how many addresses they had all within such a short distance. People normally move due to major events such as a new job, a marriage, away at college or maybe a lifetime dream of always wanting to live at a particular place. Stanley seemed to move around a lot so I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that perhaps Hawaii was his dream so they pulled up stakes when Ann graduated to live in romantic Hawaii. However, that doesn’t explain all their moving up the street, across town, and back again.
The cottage looks nice and has utitilites - electric and plumbing that can been seen in the pic. Very much what one would expect in a guest house or rental unit.
The 'Dreams' narrative IIRC has the meeting taking place at The East-West Institute.
Eleanor Nordyke tells the story about meeting Madelyn on a cruise:
The twins, Susan "Nunu" Bell and Gretchen "Nini" Worthington, were not only born in the same hospital hours after the future president, but also ended up in the same classes with Obama at Noelani Elementary School and later at Punahou School from the seventh grade to graduation in 1979.
"I think it was remarkable that they just so happened to be born within 24 hours of each other and grew up knowing each other," Nordyke said.
She did not know Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, while they were in labor together on Aug. 4, 1961, at the old Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.
But Nordyke was a population research fellow at the East-West Center while Dunham was there. And Nordyke later met Madelyn Dunham Ann Dunham's mother and Obama's grandmother during a cruise to Tahiti in 2002.
If Orland Lefforge taught Russian - perhaps it was at the East-West Institute? Nice little link - the owner of the house at the 'birth announcement' address and the mother of the (missing birth announcement) Nordyke twins.
its small. we dont really know what it looked like back then. I dont think A person working at a Bank would be living there with a teenage daughter..but it is possible.
The owners name should have showed up at that address in the Polk directory if they were living there. Unless they were off the data radar.
I just noticed this quote. We don’t know for sure how birth announcements were done back in 1961. This guy only knows about how they were done later.
“Advertiser columnist and former Star-Bulletin managing editor Dave Shapiro was not at either paper in 1961, but he remembers how the birth notices process worked years later when both papers were jointly operated by the Hawaii Newspaper Agency which no longer existsThose were listings that came over from the state Department of Health,” he said. “They would send the same thing to both papers.”
But one which does not include foreign languages. They are usually not even in the same college, at a university or "department" at smaller colleges.
At the University of Hawaii, for example, Speech is the College of Arts and Humanities, along with History, Art & Art history, Music, Philosphy, Religion and Theatre & Dance. Foreign language departments are in the College of Languages, Linguistics Literature.
But that's not to say that Professor Lefforge wasn't also a linguist, or other spooky type, in the WW-II military.
I had a high school teacher with some interesting gaps in his background/time-line, but also with some interesting tidbits of knowledge for a history/government/economics (he was definitely a Free Market Capitalist Pig) teacher. We had our suspicions about him.
However many of the OSS/CIA types were left leaning. (Not Mr. L-man)
What was Stanley Armour’s military speciality? In that photo, he’s still a “Slick sleeved” private, meaning the lowest enlisted rank. That puts it sometime shortly after June of ‘42, which is when he went into the Army, IIRC.
So, in both Honolulu Advisor articles, Eleanor Nordyke never has a clue that 1) Ann was supposedly in labor down the hospital hall and 2) didn’t know granny until they happened to be seated together on a cruise to Tahiti in 2002 and 3) now there’s a possible UH link.
It’s my understanding that people on the island at least know of each other. How big was the kindergarten and how big was the kids’ class in jr. high and high school when Hussein came back from Indonesia? Back in those days parents tended to know each other more than they do today. PTA was THE thing for parents, there were room moms and parents met at various school programs and events. Then throw in the East-West connection, I find it hard to believe that the Nordykes and the Dunhams never met each other for over 40 years especially when the twins and wonder boy lead such “parallel paths.”
And, of course, the twins aren’t talking.
I know I read somewhere a newspaper employee said they got them from various sources. Of course I didn’t keep the link.
That would be especially true in a private school. I don't remember the kids in my kindergarten class, or at least remember them from latter classes, but my Mom (82) does. And that was a public school, not a private one. (I don't think the Nordyke twins were in the school where the One went before going to Indonesia. That was a public school, but the ones he attended after coming back, mostly living with his Grandparents, were private.
Another thought, in those days everyone bought school pictures and it was “the thing” to exchange pictures. I remember classmates from back in elementary school and hubby remembers friends from daycare. I know my kids’ classmates’ parents or at least recognize them from all sorts of school programs and sports and meetings, etc and I’m sure our school is much larger than Hussein’s was. He and the Nordyke twins were in the same public school kindergarten class and were classmates again later at the private school. See the pic:
“...And, of course, the twins arent talking.”
The elder daughter from an interview if 2006:
Mary Ellen Nordyke-Grace
“...My mother, Eleanor Cole Nordyke, graduated from Stanfords five-year nursing program in 1950 and was married in Memorial Church the same day. My father, Robert Allan Nordyke, earned his BA and MD from UC Berkeley, so we had a healthy family rivalry, especially at the time of the Big Game each year...
...We are extremely fortunate to live within walking distance of the childrens elementary and high school, Punahou School, and the University of Hawaii. We are only a 15-minute drive, door to door, from my office downtown. Several family members, including my mother, live on our street and provide unfailing support...
Interesting factoid: The father, Robert Allan Nordyke practiced nuclear medicine at the Straub Clinic - in the same street as the ‘birth announcement’ address.
| And I can see possible reasons as to why the OSS would have Stanley steal the documents.
He would have the opportunity if he were in fact recruited.
Madelyn Dunham (Obama’s grandmother “Toots”) may have somehow gotten access to the B-29 blueprints when she worked at the Boeing plant in Wichita, KS. She then would have funneled them (via mail) to her husband, Stanley Armour Dunham, who then would have worked through an operative in the UK or France.
Stanley Armour Dunham served with the 1830th Ordnance Supply and Maintenance Company, which was part of the 327th Service Group in the 367th Fighter Group. Obama Jr aggrandized on him at the Normandy Invasion ceremony this year, saying his grandfather helped free the Jews in Germany.
Stanley Armour Dunham unit's movements in Europe are as follows (based upon unit roster):
OBAMA WATCH CENTRAL
Investigator casts doubt on Obama’s birth residence
Neighbor believes family didn’t live at address in newspaper announcement
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
Barack Obama and his mother, Anne Dunham
A private investigator has released to WND an affidavit that casts doubt on whether Barack Obama’s family lived at the address listed in the published notice of his birth in 1961.
Jorge Baro was hired by WND to investigate issues related to Obama’s birth amid allegations the Democrat does not meet the Constitution’s requirement that a president be a “natural born citizen.”
Baro’s affidavit documents an interview his staff conducted with Beatrice Arakaki, who has lived at 6075 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu since before Obama was born.
The affadivit is at the center of a federal lawsuit filed prior to the November election in Hattiesburg, Miss., before U.S. District Judge Keith Starrett. The suit is one of several yet to be adjudicated that calls for proof of Obama being a “natural born citizen” as required by the Constitution.
Baro is the in-house senior investigator for Elite Legal Services, LLC, in Royal Palm Beach, Fla.
(Story continues below)
In Hawaii, WND was able to locate at the Honolulu public library microfilm of a notice placed in the Sunday Advertiser Aug. 13, 1961. The announcement in the “Births, Marriages, Death” section read: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.”
Arakaki told Baro’s investigators she had no recollection of Obama being born or of the family living next door having a black child born to a white mother.
Baro sent a team of investigators to Honolulu to explore records regarding current residents of Kalanianaole Highway and to track down residents back to 1961.
Baro’s investigators were unable to locate any current or past resident of Kalanianaole Highway who could recall Obama or his family living at the address listed in the Sunday Advertiser announcement.
Baro also sent investigators to the newspaper offices to examine files, but the Advertiser could not confirm who actually placed the ad.
According to Baro’s affidavit, Beatrice Arakaki affirmed she was a neighbor of the address listed. She has lived at her current residence of 6075 Kalanianaole Highway from before 1961 to the present.
Moreover, Arakaki said she believed that when Obama lived with the Dunhams, his grandparents, the family address was in Waikiki, not on Kalanianaole Highway.
Baro was able to determine the previous owners of the residence at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway the alleged address of Obama’s parents when he was born were Orland S. and Thelma S. (Young) Lefforge, both of whom are deceased.
Baro’s affidavit also documents that the Certification of Live Birth that Obama posted on his campaign website is not the original “long form” birth certificate issued in 1961 by the obstetrician or physician giving birth and the hospital where the baby was born.
Baro’s investigators learned that a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program” established in 1911 during the territorial era and terminated in 1972 during the statehood era allowed Hawaiian residents to apply for a “Late Birth Certificate,” called a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth,” which appears identical to the “birth certificate” Obama posted on his campaign website.
“This raised the question in my mind as to whether the ‘Certification of Live Birth,’ which is the only document that has been produced and as previously stated solely handled by the representatives of factcheck.org outside Obama’s campaign, is a certification of a live birth or a late birth,” Baro stated in his affidavit.
“I am left with the conclusion that a simple request from Senator Barack Obama to produce the ‘long form’ (redacted if necessary) would end any speculation or question as to his birthplace,” Baro’s affidavit continued. “His continued denial to do so is suspect, in my professional opinion.”
Baro also pointed out that factcheck.org is funded by the Annenberg Foundation, which “is at the center of the ongoing Obama-Bill Ayers controversy hardly an unbiased source for information in my view.”
I don’t believe there are any girls that look like fraternal twins in that kindergarten picture. Maybe they were missing that day.
Has anyone see what they look like..are they identical or fraternal?
Your first link - The Stanford interview has nothing to do with Obama. The twins aren’t telling tales of school days with him.
Second link - Kalanianaoli Hwy. is a major street with residences and business so it could be a coincidence the two addresses are 1.8 miles apart. It backs up that the three families had to have crossed paths more than they are letting on. You don’t live on an island a few blocks from each other for 40+ years without running into each other. What was the Nordyke’s address? What bank held the Lefforge’s mortgage? Where did the Lefforge kids attend school? Has anyone checked the VFW hall, Rotary Club, Lion’s Club or Masonic Lodge and Eastern Star directories of past members? Or past members of other local societies such as the historical society, the library fund, garden club, or friends of the museum or zoo, etc.? Were any of them on the board of something or city council members?
“Has anyone see what they look like..are they identical or fraternal?”
Sorry, I do not know.
interesting read on the man who led the Abwehr.
one site has that the plans were passed via lisbon in 1944
Keep in mind it appears that the source that makes this claim also claims that there was a DNA test and Obama was no relation to the Dunhams.
So the whole Boeing story just may be BS.
Does OBama really have this jaw:
or is it more the jaw of Malcolm X
So why didn’t this guy know last year that the Dunhams lived at that address according to the Polk Directory?