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Posted on 08/18/2009 6:38:14 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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well brothers grandson is half itallian.his grandfather in italy filled out papers making him an itallian citizen the day baby was born in usa. the child has dual citizenship.
This isn't true. All BC's are off limits except to family in all states. Only Okuba and Fukino said that they saw it.
I do genealogy and in some states I have to prove relationship to get a birth cert. Even if the person is deceased.
Is this for sure that newborns could not fly back then????
Has anyone independently confirmed this???
You mean like he had WHITE on his birth certificate?
The owner of the house was a professor at the UH. That's the connection. There was also a guest house on the property so the Dunhams probably were renting it.
Have you seen the cottage??? I highly doubt the Dunhams were staying in that..although it is possible.
IMO, this lends more credence to the possibility that grandma filed for the birth certificate and signed a sworn affidavit stating that Obama was born in Hawaii and listed the address for the couple.
No, it only says white granny has some association with the address on the announcement. No where is there any proof he was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or the moon.
The Canadian theory is seeming even stronger to me now.
So, what the heck is this Polk thing and why does it have names, addresses, and employment for people in Hawaii and Washington?
I dunno, but has the ink finally dried?
About one year ago, I completed two years working in the energy business as a field agent. Occasionally, I would need to get a death certificate (not a birth certificate) as proof that a spouse’s signature was not needed on an agreement.
Like BCs the DC is not to be given out to a non-family member, but in every case with just a little sweet talking I was able to get the local government official to make me a ‘non-official’ copy. That is a copy that was not certified or notarized.
The point of this anecdote is that official policy and actual practice can vary considerably. It is too bad that no one tried to get a copy from a friendly county worker prior to 2008 before the issue really became well-known.
Another potential source for more data is from those who have seen his passport file. There are at least five government workers who have recently plead guilty to viewing celebrity’s passport information, as well as presumably several more who were involved in processing BHO’s application as part of their legitimate duties. I wonder why nothing has leaked regarding what any of them found about about BHO from surreptitious or valid access?
Smoke and mirrors. Keep your focus on the other hand.
Where did I miss the CIA connection? Geez, you need a score card. Please post your thoughts on the CIA.
I wonder why nothing has leaked regarding what any of them found about about BHO from surreptitious or valid access?
A lighter sentence rather than letting the hammer fall?
That might just be it. That would be enough to throw him behind bars.
Still, with dual citizenship through papa, he's not eligible.
Dual citizenship sounds more and more likely the reasoning from hiding the passports! He’s been groomed since he was born to take advantage of every gov. angle, etc. Mother and Dad scamming the system.
And even if Obama Sr turns out not to be Papa, there's the Barry Soetoro problem. What was/is his legal name? How many times has it changed? Did he run for prez using a legal name?
Well, there are court records showing a divorce proceeding and a divorce granted. Now if you can tell me how you can have a divorce without a preceding marriage, that would be very strange, don't you think? One would assume that some kind of marriage document had to be presented to the court in order for the divorce proceeding to take place.
Maybe because they didn't want to end up like their buddy who was shot dead last year in front of his church. Interestingly, there has been zip, zero, nada, kaput follow up on the murder investigation.
No matter how this turns out, he’s a L I A R.
remember that there was info out there about granddad possibly being fired for giving info to the enemy..and then he lands in Hawaii as a furniture salesman...
but just think of this...who has the power to create such a vacuum of information..and such a moving around of information?
This has the fingerprints of CIA all over it.
The definite way to bust this wide open is to find that law/rule that didn’t allow newborns onto planes in conjunction with the actual date that Ann showed up for her classes.
I don’t trust WND. I want to see independent confirmation.
I think the likely scenario at this point is that she was shipped off to have the baby somewhere other than Hawaii - possibly Canada.
It is possible that she was such a slut that she didn’t know whether the baby would be black or white.
Btw, there is a person who participated in the Bay of Pigs Invasion and was exiled here..who has former CIA cronies...that SUPPOSEDLY wrote an email that Ann went to Cuba and got pregnant there by a guy named Cundo.
That's what they said, and showed the evidence for.
You could be right. My theory breaks down on giving Barrack Sr. a way to stay in the country. He went back to Kenya two years after Barrack Jr. was born.
NO, there is a poster here who works in Family Law Court that believes there never was a marriage. You don’t have to provide a marriage license or certificate. You just make a claim in your divorce documents.
There is no proof that Sr was ever served with the papers. He didn’t respond to the divorce.
Doesn't matter what Indonesia allowed or did not. IF he was a US Citizen, which he likely was, the was still a citizen, under US law, after the adoption and regardless of what Indonesia thought. A parent, natural or adoptive, cannot renounce the US Citizenship of a child.
But that's not really important, the real question is, was he a natural born citizen, since that is the Constitutional requirement.
For years after its Statehood, Hawaii allowed babies born off islands to Hawaiian residents to be registered as born in the Stare of Hawaii when they returned. Babies born WHERE EVER..!!!
I personally recall hearing several conversations between women customers shipping their cars to Hawaii from Los Angeles in the Mid to Late 1960’s. http://www.Matson.com
They were openly telling each other to be sure to get a Hawaii Birth Certificate made upon their arrival in Honolulu. Baby born WHERE EVER in tow.
Who wants to look for a microfilm birth announcement in Hawaii papers for the usurper’s sister at about the time she was being born in Indonesia?
She could, but why would she, the main house is a nice big house, and since BHO Sr wasn't living at that address, why would she live in the cottage? Before the birth, there would be no advantage at all, and she, Stanley Ann, did not live there more than a few weeks after the birth, if she lived there at all after the birth.
There is one way that your theory would make sense. I am not up to speed on Kenyan history. They were going through upheaval. I don’t know where they were at at the time Ann found herself to be pregnant. Odinga didn’t become VP until later.
It is possible that he considered staying in the US but then saw the changes in his country and decided to go back.
However, remember he already had a son and wife in Kenya.
IF there was a marriage - it was a sham marriage - and he had to be given something to make it worth his while to lie on a marriage application that could cause him to face prison.
That's a new finding as far as most of us are concerned. But it still doesn't rule out the possibility that the microfilms of the respective newspapers weren't tampered with to include the Obama announcement at a later date. Plus, if all the birth announcements were submitted to the newspapers by the state health department, why was the announcement for the Nordyke twins - unquestionably born in Honolulu on Aug. 5, 1961 - NOT included in the respective newspapers at the same time as Obama's supposedly was?
If anyone here has contact with WND..tell them to call that guy who SUPPOSEDLY wrote the email about Cundo being Obama’s father. His phone number and email address are on the net included in some of his writings .
Ask him if he really wrote that email and find out what he knows.
Maybe his unwed mother was a temporary live-in maid and/or babysitter, while she lived there and was pregnant with him.
There were a lot of ads in all newspapers in those days asking for live-in babysitters, ... an unwed mother welcome.
LOL POsting here the information which I found during my often fruitless research into Orland and Thelma.
I have been researching this since the end of November when I discovered who owned the house which is listed in the birth announcement. The owner of the house was one
Orland Scott Lefforge who died July 4, 2007 at the age of 91. His wife/companion Thelma Young died June 28,2008. Surprise, surprise.
It got interesting when I discovered he had a Phd and yet has many less hits on google than even I do!
The only thing I am waiting for at the moment is an email from the University of Hawaii at Manao advising me when he returned to teach there in the 60s.
Below is a short bit of what I have been able to gather and again it has left me with many more questions than answers. (Seems to be a familiar story in all things Jr)
Orland Scott Lefforge born July 31,1915 in Pettisville, Ohio died July 4, 2007 in Kaiser Medical Center. He was a former Professor at University of Hawaii. He is survived by companion Thelma Young, son Daniel, daughters Andrea Harper and Mia Blake, brother Marian, three grandchildren and a great-grandchild. Services: 11 am next Saturday at the courtyard of George Hall, University of Hawaii at Manao. Casual attire.
Thelma Young, 91, of Honolulu died. She was born in Trenton, N.J. (nee Jones) She is survived by son Daniel Lefforge, daughters Andrea Harper and Mia Blake, three grandchildren and a great-grandchild. Private services.
Even trying to find information for the children as been frustrating! Birthdates for them are as follows:
There is a genealogy tree which indicates Andrea and Mia were adopted. Figuring it out Thelma would have been 43 when Daniel was born in 1960. Also Andrea would have been 6 years old in 1961 and would remember a woman and baby living in the yard. I have been unable to find much of anything on any of the three!
I was able to find that Orland graduated from Urbana High School in Indiana in 1932. He attended Manchester College in Indiana and graduated from there in 1936. From there he attended University of Wisconsin at Madison during the years 1936 to 1940 when he received his Masters in Speech.(now known as Communication) I discovered this fact quite by chance when I came across a hit for him and the name of his thesis Daniel W. Voorhees: Indiana Orator which appears in a compilation along with works by others. I also received verification from UW at Madison that he received his Masters in 1940.
Then it gets interesting. Ancestry.com has Orland Lefforge registering in the army in 1941, but the information listed is confusing.
U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records
Name: Orland Scott Lefforge
Birth Year: 1915
Race: White, citizen (White)
Nativity State or Country: Ohio
County or City: Wabash
Enlistment Date: 15 Jul 1941
Enlistment State: Indiana
Enlistment City: Fort Benjamin Harrison
Branch: Branch Immaterial - Warrant Officers, USA
Branch Code: Branch Immateria - Warrant Officers, USA
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Education: 4 years college
Civil Occupation: Teacher
Marital Status: Single, without dependents
Now here is where it gets very interesting aside from the fact that he actually had 8 years of college and a masters degree by the time he enlisted in 1941. I decided to google his daughter as Andrea Lefforge Harper and found that in April 9, 1942 he attended Officer Candidate School at Ft Sill. He graduated from OCS on June 30,1942 and no further information can be found regarding his military service. Why was this information not found when googling his name but was found when googling his daughters name?
He taught at Manchester College in the Speech Department for the years 1946-47 and 1947-48 before teaching at the University of Hawaii at Manoa for the years 1948-49 and 1949-50. By 1950 he is back at the University of Wisconsin with his wife the former Thelma Jones of Trenton, N.J.
From The Capital Times 9/27/1950 Madison WI
University Posts and Regional Positions Bring New Families Here
After teaching two years at the University of Honolulu, Hawaii, Orland Lefforge and Mrs Lefforge are now living at 42 Corry St. while he is studying for his doctorate at the university.
Wisconsin State Journal 4/9/1951
Madison News Items in Brief
Debate at U.W.
Two University of Hawaii students will debate with Wisconsin students at 8 pm Tuesday in the Agricultural hall auditorium on the subject Resolved: That Hawaii Should be a Commonwealth
Masaru Funa and Shunichi Kaimura will be the affirmative speakers from the University of Hawaii. Their coach is Henry L. Ewbank, son of speech Prof Henry L. Ewbank, Sr., at the University of Wisconsin. Negative speakers from Wisconsin will be Robert Hayes, Chetak and Richard Karson, West Bend. Moderator for the debate will be Orland Lefforge, former Hawaiian coach and now a student here.
I received confirmation from UW at Madison that Orland Lefforge was granted his Phd in Speech in 1953. From 1953 he seems to disappear. He and his wife Thelma and children were the owners of 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy in 1961 and I am awaiting word from UH at Manoa as to when he returned to teach there. Something which just struck me this weekend was the interview The Honolulu Advertiser did with Nani Smethurst, the present owner of the address. She has the paperwork for the house and yet she didnt recognize the Dunham name. As an archictect she would recognize the name and yet she didnt, because the Lefforges owned the home, not the Dunhams.
From a blurb in another paper Lefforge didnt teach for all that long at UH.
April 9, 1967 Cedar Rapids Gazette
Orland Lefforge, Henry Giugni and Jack Teehan, running close to deadline for a reception for senate staff assistants, couldnt find a cab.
They bummed a ride with a fellow in the office who was on his way home.
At the White House gate, the attendant asked the three, Will your driver be coming back later or shall I show him where to wait?
Which broke up everybody in the car.
At the wheel was the trios boss, Sen Daniel K. Inouye (D- Hawaii)
In 1971 Orland Lefforge is listed as the author of Inservice Training as an Instrument of Change found at the Education Resources Information Center. He was also later an an administrator at the UH Community College Office, as well as a member of the Osher Institute. He gave donations to various institutions including Manchester College, an organization to help abused women, and an organization to assist homeless teens and juvenile delinquents. From all indications he and Thelma divorced at some point and he married again to a woman named Elaine b.1921 d. 12/27/1995. Thelma also remarried which explains the last name of Young. At some point both second spouses died and Orland and Thelma got back together again and remained together until his death. There were a number of real estate transactions with Orland and Thelma and Orland and Elaine which are confusing to follow. As I said I am still waiting to find out when he returned to teach at UH but it is definite he and Thelma and their three children were living at the birth announcement house in 1961.
5 posted on 12/17/2008 11:53:04 AM PST by Chief Engineer
thanks, forgot to ping you to:
Heres a comment on Atlas Shrugs from Infidel Granny, reminding Pamela just where the birth announcement came from. It was a scan, e-mailed to her.
Infidel Granny here. I am the woman who sent you the birth announcement from the Honolulu Advertiser in July 2008. You gave me a hat tip on July 23, 2008.
I sure hope you dont think I had anything to do with a forgery.
The woman I spoke to at the Advertiser suggested I contact the Hawaii State Librbary for the info. Thats where I got it from just as it states in the blog on July 23. The librarian stated another woman had asked for the same thing about one week before I did.
You might still have my email and phone number. Feel free to contact me if you like.
Im putting this up here now because the link to Texasdarlin where Lori Starfelt explains how she came about her material (from the same source, by e-mail) has been removed.
Maybe factcheck didnt appreciate me drawing attention to that fact they validated an announcement that was an electronic image of a scan received by e-mail from an anonymous poster?
8,014 posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:47:12 PM by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
I keep going back to the stories told (yet seemingly NOT remembered) by the author Obama in his multiple autobiographies.
If his father is not Barrack Obama, Sr., well there is the whole basis of ‘Dreams of My (sortof) Father.’ If the basis of the book is fabricated...then what in the book (his life story) is actually true? What if there is no father’s name give (the big embarrassment issue) and that he was named Barry Dunham...and he ‘created’ the Barrack Obama story for the rouse (and benefit of a Harvard legacy—remember, BO, Sr., went there) and ‘authenticity’ of a much better ‘story’ to market himself with during his college years/community organizing years.
I still am amazed that he couldn’t remember where he met Michelle at...and that the media, of course, covered for him (oh...he was tired!!!). But it was a whopper; easily documented in his own book!!!
I'd say it was more likely the folks who saw the CIA as the "Dark Forces". That would be:
Комитет государственной безопасности,
or phonetically "Komitet gosudarstvennoy bezopasnosti"
In English the Committee for State Security , better known as the KGB.
She was only 17 and a college freshman, when she got knocked up by whoever. It would not be unusual for a 17 y/o freshman girl to be living with her parents. My niece lived with my brother until she was nearly 20, while going to junior college.
So, I’ve been searching around for gramps’ CIA activites and haven’t found much other than the same old info of Ann at the Ford Foundation. I did come across one site (a bit out there... no, a lot out there in tinfoil land) which poses that there are no BCs, marriage certicates, military records, etc. on Ann or her parents. I’m discounting 99.9% of the site but was wondering if it were true that even those generations of records were somehow sealed as well.
1961 Hawaii long form certificates, only shows the race(s) of the parents, not the child.
I sure would like to find the BC of someone born in Hawaii, with at least one "negro" parent, to see how that parents race is indicated. By '61 there were blacks in the Navy, the Army, the Marines and the Air Force. Some of them must have married Hawaiian gals and had children with them, race of the mother might be "Japanese", "Chinese", "Hawaiian" or "Heinz 57", but there should have been a fair number of them.
That would be interesting! There is something on that birth certificate that he doesn’t want anyone to see but then his college records are also sealed.
Running for President should require an open book on records IMHO.
Or the GRU, although it's not really their sort of OP. They were always more interested in military/technical intell, not political intelligence and/or "active measures".
What’s up with all the adopted children? Was this 7085 some kind of CIA baby farm? Wasn’t Barry’s Seattle babysitter a graduate in “linguistics” also?
Or a communist cell inside MI6...
0bamas Noelani Elementary School Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
This is an important feature because K-records for original school entry would have contained the following:
1. His REAL Birth Certificate.
2. An application with the following:
1. His Legal name.
2. Parents or Legal Guardians names.
3. Date of Birth
4. Place of Birth
5. Vaccination Records (revealing a timeline to the place and DOB.)
It also is important for two reasons:
A. The Dept. of Education does not lose the records of one particular student. (Who paid whom what sum to make this record disappear?)
B. There would have been NO shameful low-test scores, NO embarrassing Equal Opportunity advancements, and NO trails of fraudulent funding to hide which could possibly excuse the quashing of public school Kindergarten entry records.
For the rest of his life he attended very expensive private schools and has had his records legally sealed to deny the public, his true life story.
This is different. Hawaii should be able to verify he attended their school since he is featured in class photographs. State and federal tax dollars paid for his initial year of education. Why is there no documentation?
This is the tip of the iceberg of an intentionally erased life of a fraudulent conman and it reeks of complicity by officials within the State of Hawaiis Dept. of Health & Dept. of Education
You mentioned that the military records were incomplete when searching under Orland’s name. When we were trying to document some family history from the WWII and post-war period, we ran into problems with military service records. A large number of these records were destroyed by a fire in a storage facility, which I believe took place in the 1970’s. Is this a possibility with the records you’re seeking?