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Flickr Removes Obama-as-Joker Photo
Fast Company ^ | 8/19/09 | staff

Posted on 08/19/2009 9:42:10 AM PDT by pissant

It's rarely a good PR move when a social Web site decides to remove a politically-charged image--the InterWebs get angry. One such case came to light today: A Photoshop mockup of President Obama as the Joker from The Dark Knight, superimposed on the cover of Time magazine, has been removed from Flickr. The 20-year-old Chicagoan who made the photo got an email from Flickr, which is owned by Yahoo!, saying the it had been removed due to copyright concerns. Plenty of tech pundits are saying Flickr was strong-armed by Time, Inc., which didn't like its brand associated with something so subversive. Others are saying that Flickr removed the image voluntarily because it was the subject of too much public controversy: the image has been mocked up into a poster by an anonymous third-party and plastered around Los Angeles. Pretty much everyone agrees, however, that the issue isn't copyright. (Below, the derivative poster.)

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: flickr; joker; jokerposter; larrysinclairslover; obama; photo; purge; removes; yahoo
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1 posted on 08/19/2009 9:42:11 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Flickr removed the image voluntarily because it was the subject of too much public controversy

Translation: We don’t like anyone to mock our messiah


2 posted on 08/19/2009 9:44:20 AM PDT by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: pissant

I actually saw a couple of these plastered to a telephone pole in my community a couple days ago!


3 posted on 08/19/2009 9:46:53 AM PDT by FrdmLvr ("War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength". Orwell)
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To: greatdefender; pissant
Flickr removed the image voluntarily because it was the subject of too much public controversy

The base image is photoshopped from a TIME magazine copyrighted image. They have no choice.

4 posted on 08/19/2009 9:47:14 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: pissant

I wonder how many Bush-Nazi photos were removed from this site?


5 posted on 08/19/2009 9:47:17 AM PDT by Recovering Hermit (I shot the rooster, the one that used'er, wake me up at four A.M....)
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To: greatdefender
Translation: We don’t like anyone to mock our messiah

Agreed. All those Bush=Hitler/chimp/etc. photos are considered free speech and, as thus, will remain indefinitely.

6 posted on 08/19/2009 9:47:17 AM PDT by kromike
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To: greatdefender

The genius is the person who captioned it socialism and put them around
LA. Hope it was a freeper!


7 posted on 08/19/2009 9:47:39 AM PDT by gussiefinknottle (woof!woof!woof!)
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To: pissant

Not to worry. Pissant and other have many, many more. :)


8 posted on 08/19/2009 9:47:56 AM PDT by romanesq
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To: greatdefender

my advice to those on Flicker,( I am NOT!)...is to contact Yahoo or Flicker and COMPLAIN vigorously!


9 posted on 08/19/2009 9:48:23 AM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 91:4 ...staying cuddled Under His Wings)
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To: pissant
Tooo late......the commie is out of the bag.....
10 posted on 08/19/2009 9:48:39 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: pissant

No worries - there’s plenty more on Flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=obama%20joker&w=all


11 posted on 08/19/2009 9:49:50 AM PDT by Sparky1776
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To: FrdmLvr
PLENTY to choose from at the link below... ;-)

Zazzle.com - Obama Joker stuff

12 posted on 08/19/2009 9:50:52 AM PDT by nutmeg (Obamunism is destroying America)
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To: pissant

There is something to be said for neutral copyright protection on all sides of any debate, and also for the right of a private business to remove any post for any reason, just as the owner may do here at FR.

Flame away.


13 posted on 08/19/2009 9:52:27 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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To: pissant

Why so serious?


14 posted on 08/19/2009 9:53:30 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: romanesq

I would imagine that there are well over 300,000 copies around the internet presently. I’ve got twice over on my blog site. So they can remove as many as they want...it’ll just reproduce.


15 posted on 08/19/2009 9:53:38 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Recovering Hermit

How many Bush/Nazi photos on Flickr? Take a look:

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=bush%2C+nazi


16 posted on 08/19/2009 9:53:50 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear ('Always love your country — but never trust your government!' ~ Robert Novak (RIP))
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To: nutmeg

Zazzle is where I got my little stickers.....1 1/2 inchers - suitable for even currency if desired.


17 posted on 08/19/2009 9:54:44 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Impeach now....not next month... now)
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To: Recovering Hermit

http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=bush+nazi&m=text


18 posted on 08/19/2009 9:56:08 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: sam_paine
Sure. Just like these that have been on Flickr for eons, eh?


19 posted on 08/19/2009 9:56:54 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Wow. Disgusting double standard. I’m cancelling my account.


20 posted on 08/19/2009 9:58:06 AM PDT by FrdmLvr ("War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength". Orwell)
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To: Sparky1776
This one is particularly interesting...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomashawk/3834570613/

21 posted on 08/19/2009 9:58:21 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: pissant

‘Fair use’?


22 posted on 08/19/2009 9:58:38 AM PDT by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: Albion Wilde

No flames needed. See post 19. There’s many, many more on flickr as well. Such as

http://www.flickr.com/photos/24325344@N08/2308226969/


23 posted on 08/19/2009 9:59:29 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

The YouTuber that made the mouth and eyes of that image move to a real Obama soundtrack was contacted for copyright too.

I sent him the Obama as Johnny Depp’s Mad Hatter image and he was afraid to use it.


24 posted on 08/19/2009 9:59:30 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: greatdefender

If it pisses them off, we’re on the right track.


25 posted on 08/19/2009 9:59:40 AM PDT by MaxMax (Will the real JIM THOMPSON please pick up the white phone)
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To: Albion Wilde

The point is were the same caracitures of Gw Bush held to the same standards.


26 posted on 08/19/2009 9:59:51 AM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Akkk you beat me!


27 posted on 08/19/2009 9:59:57 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: pissant

Yeah....if TIME pulls the string.


28 posted on 08/19/2009 10:00:36 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Marty62

See post 19 and 23. You are correct


29 posted on 08/19/2009 10:01:17 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant; Albion Wilde

Pissant, you’re proving our point.

The fact that Flickr hasn’t removed anti-Bush TIME covers is consistent with the fact that TIME’s legal board is acting (as a bluff, really) to threaten only the anti-Obama uses of their copyright.

If anyone had the time (and money) to fight TIME in court, they could win on this basis of uneven enforcement.

But since the offenders don’t want to risk calling the bluff, TIME rolls.


30 posted on 08/19/2009 10:05:39 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: All

31 posted on 08/19/2009 10:06:13 AM PDT by Fishtalk (If you're a Freeper and have a Blog Freepmail me with the link. I'll do you if you do me.)
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To: pissant; Marty62; Albion Wilde
See post 19 and 23. You are correct

See Post 30, you are wrong! =)

32 posted on 08/19/2009 10:07:25 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

Well yes, I understand Time’s leftwing agenda and biases. But Flickr is a big boy, with gazzilions more users than that fading rag.


33 posted on 08/19/2009 10:08:07 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: sam_paine

“The base image is photoshopped from a TIME magazine copyrighted image. They have no choice. “

I’m not so sure about that. Isn’t parody exempted?


34 posted on 08/19/2009 10:08:38 AM PDT by Pravious
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That’s nothing. I had my account deleted and my IP banned from Photo Bucket for having anti-Obama photos in it.
There was nothing profane..just the same gifs and photos we see on FR every day.
Lib sobs.


35 posted on 08/19/2009 10:10:16 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: Sparky1776

(456 items) on Flicker


36 posted on 08/19/2009 10:11:27 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: pissant; Pravious; Albion Wilde; Marty62
But Flickr is a big boy, with gazzilions more users than that fading rag.

Agreed. But the zero-effort way out is to simply respond to Time, delete a page, move along.

It's like "zero tolerance" policies are just an excuse for principals to not have to make difficult common sense choices.

Isn’t parody exempted?

Yes. For original works of Authorship.

If the photoshopper had started from his own Obama image, or even a public Whitehouse image, and even if they'd made it look like a Time cover as a parody, then he'd own the copyright[note].

As a derivative work, though, he has to have approval from the original content.

[note] Keep in mind though, TIME is in the mood to bluff, so they could still threaten them on that, and probably successfully again, even though the parody should win in court.

37 posted on 08/19/2009 10:15:29 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: patriot08

I had better back mine up.


38 posted on 08/19/2009 10:18:27 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: pissant
Flickr Removes Obama-as-Joker Photo

Just like NK, there must be no dissent against DEAR LEADER.
39 posted on 08/19/2009 10:19:41 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: pissant

So what about this one, typical hypocrites?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10352951@N05/2716038899/


40 posted on 08/19/2009 10:20:16 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: Recovering Hermit
I wonder how many Bush-Nazi photos were removed from this site?

778 items with the title "Bush Hitler".

41 posted on 08/19/2009 10:23:12 AM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Fishtalk

After crack that the Son of OBama made about the post office they should issue stamps with the Joker Face as you have presented. No doubt would be a big seller.


42 posted on 08/19/2009 10:23:34 AM PDT by BilLies
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To: pissant

It is good to find out now exactly who the communists in this country are.


43 posted on 08/19/2009 10:25:26 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: Cheerio
If the friends and followers of Mohammad, Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin would not allowed unflattering pictures of their DEAR LEADER to be published why shouldn't the friends and followers of the Son of OBama do the same for their DEAR LEADER.
Beauty is as beauty does.
44 posted on 08/19/2009 10:35:40 AM PDT by BilLies
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To: Pravious
"I’m not so sure about that. Isn’t parody exempted?"

Yes, but Time isn't the subject of the parody. Lord zero is. Time is being used and portrayed w/o any element of parody applied to them. They are being portrayed as a common news org.

Their failure to uniformly enforce the matter with regard to politics implies they are a political organization, not the "press" org they're claiming to be. Just more evidence that they are first and foremost, a propaganda operation.

45 posted on 08/19/2009 10:38:43 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: ErnBatavia; FrdmLvr
Zazzle is where I got my little stickers.....1 1/2 inchers - suitable for even currency if desired.

Yep... I just placed an order with Zazzle.com as well. ;-)

46 posted on 08/19/2009 10:57:18 AM PDT by nutmeg (Obamunism is destroying America)
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To: spunkets

Time Magazine has had Obama on the cover SEVEN TIMES since the election (not counting Michelle).

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2009/07/31/paging-dr-obama-makes-it-seven-time-mag-covers-election-obama

[The frequent cover appearances led even Jon Stewart, a Bush-hater who was thrilled by Obama’s election, to quip Thursday night on his Comedy Central show: “Time magazine is like O magazine, like Obama has to be on the cover — it is like Oprah magazine. I think he’s been on like thirty times this year.”]


47 posted on 08/19/2009 11:03:47 AM PDT by khnyny ("Giving government money and power is like giving car keys and whiskey to a teenage boy")
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To: pissant

Bump for later...


48 posted on 08/19/2009 12:05:58 PM PDT by mcmuffin (Will American patriots and freedom prevail?)
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To: Marty62
The point is were the same caracitures of Gw Bush held to the same standards.

While I understand your frustration, again, using the example of FR, there are many more anti-Clinton and anti-Obama caricatures here than the reverse. Our job is to win hearts and minds to our cause, not to expect a "Fairness Doctrine" from privately-owned businesses whose point of view is not necessarily supposed to be neutral.

TV news should be neutral or at least balanced, because the airwaves are publicly owned. But image publications such as newspapers, magazines and web sites are usually privately owned. Many small newspapers make no secret of their leanings, calling themselves the "Wazoo County Republican" or the "Yahoo City Times-Democrat", etc.

49 posted on 08/19/2009 12:29:45 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("A cultural problem cannot be solved with a political solution." -- Selwyn Duke)
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To: pissant

Time to use photobucket or any other photo sharing site...


50 posted on 08/19/2009 3:41:40 PM PDT by GraceG
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