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Letís Put Health Care Rationing On the Table: Donít Treat AIDS
IsraPundit ^ | 8/18/09 | Bill Levinson

Posted on 08/19/2009 10:46:12 AM PDT by Winged Hussar

Rationing and triage (in which only people to whom immediate medical treatment means a life or death difference receive it) apply in disaster and battlefield situations in which there are simply not enough resources for everybody. We state up front that we do not believe that the American medical system is anywhere near this point, especially because 30 to 60 cents of every health care dollar are squandered on waste and inefficiency. These include administrative costs, inefficiencies such as doctors and nurses having to walk or wait to get or record information, and easily preventable medical mistakes such as medication errors and hospital acquired infections. It is totally irresponsible to even consider rationing and triage while such inefficiencies persist, but Barack Obama, his medical advisor Ezekiel Emanuel, and others in the Obama camp think there is indeed a shortage of medical resources that justifies a rationing and triage mentality. This article will continue under this premise.

Consider a genuine disaster situation in which there is, for example, a shortage of food and water. In such situations, deliberate and willful waste of the scarce resources is dealt with very harshly and perhaps even punished with death–which is normally reserved exclusively for crimes like murder and high treason. ... It is easy to envision somebody who deliberately wastes a lifeboat’s water supply being thrown overboard by the other survivors, with the action qualifying as justifiable homicide. If, as President Obama and Ezekiel Emanuel claim, there is a shortage of medical resources, care should first be denied to those who waste these resources. This is not something we advocate but, if the President and his advisors wish to go down that path, AIDS (unless acquired from a blood transfusion or accidental contact with blood) must be put onto the table for discussion.

(Excerpt) Read more at israpundit.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aids; grids; hiv; homosexualagenda; killgranny; moralabsolutes; obamacare; rationing

The "lifeboat situation" also applies to illegal immigrants. If there is not a shortage of lifeboats, it would be murder or manslaughter to exclude stowaways if the ship sinks. On the other hand, if there is not enough lifeboat space, it would seem reasonable to exclude the stowaways until all legitimate passengers and crew members were in lifeboats. Obama and Ezekiel Emanuel are telling us that there are not enough lifeboats. If so, the stowaways and resource-wasters have to go overboard.

1 posted on 08/19/2009 10:46:12 AM PDT by Winged Hussar
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To: Winged Hussar

The miracle drug Trinoasitol may yet be an option..


2 posted on 08/19/2009 10:48:23 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Winged Hussar

One of the most important questions that should be asked at a townhall meeting:

In the event of a scarcity of medical resources, who do you favor providing with health care first ... a 65 year old American citizen or a 20 year old illegal alien?


3 posted on 08/19/2009 10:49:14 AM PDT by freespirited (The only thing growing faster than the deficit is Chris Matthews' man crush on Obama -- Tim Pawlenty)
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To: Winged Hussar
I was thinking of something along those lines recently. Since HIV and AIDS are so expensive to treat, ration health care and refuse any more funds to treat these conditions.

Drug addicts deliberately cause enormous harm to their bodies. Ration health care and refuse to treat them.

It is very expensive to provide security and medical care for people on death row. Plus, people on death row are useless eaters who do nothing to justify their health care. Ration health care and don't treat them.

Ration health care for illegals. Exclude them!

4 posted on 08/19/2009 10:49:50 AM PDT by Enterprise (When they come for your guns and ammo, give them the ammo first.)
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To: Winged Hussar

Of course, any government plan that does not lead to short-term bankruptcy will include rationing, in one form or another.

Of course, the current system also rations care, through a patchwork of rules, regs, practices, and decisions.

The real issue is who gets to make the decisions and who gets to pay? Are the responsibilities and choices essentially individual or are they collective?


5 posted on 08/19/2009 10:51:33 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Winged Hussar

Uh, oh. Now you’ve gone and done it!


6 posted on 08/19/2009 10:51:42 AM PDT by Obadiah (Obama: Chains you can believe in!)
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To: Enterprise

AIDS is one of the most expensive medical conditions to treat.

First, people with AIDS live much longer now, which is a good thing understand.

But they have very many medical problems with their longer lives, frequent hospitalization and they do, in the end and still, die before their time and their death takes a long time.

So why can’t I buy a health insurance policy that exempts any AIDS coverage? I live in a part of Delaware with a very large homosexual community but hey, can’t sell health insurance in Delaware exempting AIDS coverage cause dammit somebody’s got to help pay for that expensive health coverage for AIDS patients.

Keeping along these lines, why can’t I buy health coverage exempting pregnancy coverage? I’m not going to get pregnant at my age. Take both of these coverages out the cost for my health policy and I’m thinking it would reduce by 25% or more.

This is what is meant by being able to buy health insurance across state lines. Can’t do it. Cause states make laws for health insurance purchases in their states based on the political needs then upon, NOT to help its citizens on the cost of health care.

If this administration was really serious instead of just peeing on our feet and telling us it’s raining as regards overhauling health care coverage, they’d allow us to buy customized health insurance and get rid of that free for all for the trial lawyers.

Until they do that, do not make the mistake of taking them serious.


7 posted on 08/19/2009 10:57:12 AM PDT by Fishtalk (If you're a Freeper and have a Blog Freepmail me with the link. I'll do you if you do me.)
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To: Enterprise

Hey, they’re already talking about fat slobs like me not deserving health care...who deserves it less, somebody who likes to down a cheeseburger every now and then, or somebody who deliberately engages in behavior that’ll get them AIDS? Funny how it’s OK to go after smokers and the obese, but drug addicts and high-risk non-monogamous homosexuals never get mentioned.

}:-)4


8 posted on 08/19/2009 10:58:38 AM PDT by Moose4 (I took my car in for an alignment. Now my front end is chaotic evil.)
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To: freespirited

JUST IN ...
Democrats, realizing the success of the President’s “Cash For Clunkers” rebate program, have revamped a major portion of their National Health Care Plan.
President Obama, Speaker Pelosi, and Sen. Reed are expected to make this major announcement at a joint news conference later this week. I have obtained an advanced copy of the proposal which is named....

“CASH FOR CODGERS” and it works like this... Couples wishing to access health care funds in order to pay for the delivery of a child will be required to turn in one old person. The amount the government grants them will be fixed according to a sliding scale. Older and more prescription dependent codgers will garner the highest amounts.

Special “Bonuses” will be paid for those submitting codgers in targeted groups, such as smokers, alcohol drinkers, persons 10 pounds over their government prescribed weight, and any member of the Republican Party.
Smaller bonuses will be given for codgers who consume beef, soda, fried foods, potato chips, lattes, whole milk, dairy products, bacon, Brussel sprouts, or Girl Scout Cookies.

All codgers will be rendered totally useless via toxic injection. This will insure that they are not secretly resold or their body parts harvested to keep other codgers in repair.
Remember you heard it here first...


9 posted on 08/19/2009 11:03:01 AM PDT by B-Cause (It's not what you gather, but what you scatter that tells what kind of life you have lived.)
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To: Fishtalk

Did you just talk with Rush on air?


10 posted on 08/19/2009 11:03:55 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Nope...weren’t me. I’m listening to Rush.

I’m female, btw.


11 posted on 08/19/2009 11:06:19 AM PDT by Fishtalk (If you're a Freeper and have a Blog Freepmail me with the link. I'll do you if you do me.)
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To: Fishtalk

The Lady who talked to him last hour referred to the Obammys peeing on our feet and telling us it’s raining.


12 posted on 08/19/2009 11:08:22 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Fishtalk; Moose4

Odd isn’t it? With a couple of posts we have shown the Government how to prioritize “rationing” but who really thinks they will listen?


13 posted on 08/19/2009 11:08:24 AM PDT by Enterprise (When they come for your guns and ammo, give them the ammo first.)
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To: Enterprise

This is a political healthcare bill to get more voters. Period.

So, illegals, drug addicts, AIDS patients, etc, will be UNLIMITED HEALTHCARE. All other non-millionaires, please die.


14 posted on 08/19/2009 11:20:25 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: whitedog57

The voters put evil in office, and evil shall be their reward.


15 posted on 08/19/2009 11:26:43 AM PDT by Enterprise (When they come for your guns and ammo, give them the ammo first.)
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To: B-Cause

16 posted on 08/19/2009 11:30:00 AM PDT by Enterprise (When they come for your guns and ammo, give them the ammo first.)
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To: Fishtalk

“So why can’t I buy a health insurance policy that exempts any AIDS coverage?”

So, when government health care destroys private insurance, and the gov’t picks up the total tab for HIV/AIDS drugs/treatment and all the bennies that go with that politcally correct disease, there won’t be any money for anything else. How would you even calculate the cost?
....And nothing we do for these “victims” has any effect on their behavior.


17 posted on 08/19/2009 11:31:04 AM PDT by WestwardHo (Whom the god would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: Fishtalk
Our own company policy provides gold-plated coverage for substance abuse even though we have to get a drug test to get and keep our jobs here. Just another useless government mandate that forces those of us who are working to subsidize those who are not.
18 posted on 08/19/2009 11:34:20 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: MHGinTN

Well God love her. Must have been when I dozed off.

But it’s what he’s doing, eh?


19 posted on 08/19/2009 11:37:57 AM PDT by Fishtalk (If you're a Freeper and have a Blog Freepmail me with the link. I'll do you if you do me.)
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To: Winged Hussar

Surely you jest! What the dems don’t tell you is that aids care will be provided free to all who need it, and that the borders will be opened wide to all with aids, and they will come in and get treated free. To pay for it, of course, granma and granpa will have to take a pill (unless they have aids or are having an abortion or a sex change operation)

This way the dems will repay one of their biggest constituents.


20 posted on 08/19/2009 11:39:06 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: B-Cause

“CASH FOR CODGERS”
I love it! It’s funny! We all need a little humor.

(libs have no sense of humor and will not like this at all)


21 posted on 08/19/2009 11:49:57 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Winged Hussar
There is one sure-fire way to avoid aids... SIT DOWN AND KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.

LLS

22 posted on 08/19/2009 11:53:36 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: B-Cause

If that wasn’t so darned creepy, it would be funny. . . .


23 posted on 08/19/2009 12:13:30 PM PDT by MissNomer (Proud member of FR's "Final 300")
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To: Enterprise
Enterprise - Thank you for the fine response. Let's keep the pressure on these liberals and the congresscreeps.


Be sure to watch this "Sweatin' with the Socialists" Video Clip - IT IS A HOOT!

Here's to You Obama & Nancy
Click Here

Sweat While Nancy Claps!
Clap Nancy Clap!!

24 posted on 08/19/2009 7:45:41 PM PDT by B-Cause (It's not what you gather, but what you scatter that tells what kind of life you have lived.)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Leftism is Mentally Deranged - Thank you for the fine response. Let's keep the pressure on these liberals and the congresscreeps.


Be sure to watch this "Sweatin' with the Socialists" Video Clip - IT IS A HOOT!

Here's to You Obama & Nancy
Click Here

Sweat While Nancy Claps!
Clap Nancy Clap!!

25 posted on 08/19/2009 7:46:48 PM PDT by B-Cause (It's not what you gather, but what you scatter that tells what kind of life you have lived.)
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To: MissNomer
MissNomer - Thank you for the fine response. Let's keep the pressure on these liberals and the congresscreeps.


Be sure to watch this "Sweatin' with the Socialists" Video Clip - IT IS A HOOT!

Here's to You Obama & Nancy
Click Here

Sweat While Nancy Claps!
Clap Nancy Clap!!

26 posted on 08/19/2009 7:47:53 PM PDT by B-Cause (It's not what you gather, but what you scatter that tells what kind of life you have lived.)
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