Skip to comments.Shift: Obama Will Make 'Emotional and Moral Appeal' for Health Bill (Sob Stories Coming)
Posted on 08/19/2009 12:41:43 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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I'll volunteer the horror story of my Dad, WWII combat veteran, worked all his life (worked himself into an early grave), who was dying of cancer, totally disabled, but was denied SSI disability because the bureaucrats said he could "still work", even though he was wheelchair-bound, couldn't really use his arms, and had little control of his bodily functions towards the end. He had to go through almost two years of appeals and finally go up before an administrative judge before his appeals were granted. Then he lived another eight months and got little return compared to what he'd paid in. Really efficient system, that. Efficient at letting a sick person die. But I guess that's what Obama and the 'Rats want.
A moral appeal from Obama? Oh my word.
btw who created *that* Obamajoker pic? because it’s much better than the Time joker.
Hang-Nail-Healthcare Is a Right! Gimme gimme gimme!
Bill Maher and the rest of the religion-hating left must be PISSED by the fact that Obama needs to resort to religion to support his policies.
I’m happy to give my money to help people I choose to help, be it from church or somewhere else. I don’t need it to go through Obama’s hands first.
Yep, you read in what I was layin’ down...
Desiring to, and voting to, force others to “help” people
in no way satisfies Christ’s requirement to help the poor.
They are already on tv trying to take us on a guilt trip like their being feckless and reckless is somehow our fault.
The Obama’s are going on vacation to Martha’s Vineyard.
Ted Kennedy is nearing his end at the family compound a short helicopter flight away.
What are the chances the an emotional appeal will issue from Obama at Ted’s bedside?
loser......he’s going down the tubes
HOW DARE THEY!!!!
A reporterette on MSNBC said the Obama “campaign” had put out a call for Health SOB stories and she said they couldn’t find any!!!!!
Thanks for that compassionate response. Not many people can relate to the pain, indeed heartbreak, of hang-nails.
How does one make an emotional and moral appeal FOR a bill that covers abortion and rations care?
If this were just about emotional and moral values, they would spend some of the bizillion $$$ they’ve been printing to expand Medicaid or Medicare, the current “public” plan, to those who are uninsured....but since it’s about SOCIALIZED medicine, the only way to gain control is to claim there is a crisis and destroy the current system.
Photo stolen, and will be well used.
There is nothing “moral” about politicians stealing the fruits of one man’s labor to buy the votes of those who think others should pay their bills.
Government mandated free stuff for some = bondage for others.
If this passes, it will be interesting to see how he “appeals” to doctors who refuse to accept patients on a “public/government” plan that reimburses them mere pennies on the dollar.
The essence of this program
... is war...it is the war of the Democrats against the Baby Boom...who have paid into and now are poised to reap the benefits of Social Security and Medicare...it is the war of those who created these fraudulent programs ...which have fleeced 45 years of taxes from the Baby Boom..and never intended to grant them the benefits they were conned into allowing to be withheld from their paychecks. It is a personal war...because by hastening them to their graves...they intend to fleece their descendants of their estates.
So, if the illegal alien doesn't have health insurance (not acceptable healthcare - that's using wrong terminology), he's going to be TAXED. Since most of them work in the underground economy, who's going to tax them? And will they be turned away from doctors and hospitals if they refuse to be covered?
Since a big hunk of the uninsured are illegal aliens, how is all this legislation really going to change anything?? How many of us live in states with large illegal alien populations? How many of those states have mandatory auto liability insurance? How many of those illegal aliens actually carry such insurance? How many of us have been subject to a hit and run by an illegal alien because he/she is not insured?
You may be right...otoh, this may just be the next step in the Alinsky method, since the polarization crap and targeting the messengers didn't work...it'd be interesting to know why Hussein's handlers are making him go this way.
One thing is certain: only his desire for control is genuine. The rest is window dressing.
It would be so great to hear loud sobbing from the audience. I mean after all he is trying to pull the heart sting card. That would be perfect...fake tears for fake sob stories.
He’ll drag out old Aunt Tamika( really an Acorn or SEIU member), they will cry together and hope people fall for it.
he'd be finished not just with health care, but maybe with his entire agenda for the rest of his term...
“Christs call to help is a call to individuals to do so. There is no place saved for me in Heaven because I voted to take someone elses money to do good.”
It would be immoral for the government to take my money because it will prevent me from helping the less fortunate thus preventing me from following Christ’s teaching to help others.
Would be funny to us, but not to any undecideds, and it might turn some away from us...we have to fight this with facts, just like we have been doing...the mockery of someone else's pain is not going to be helpful...we've gotta keep our senses about us....
A better route would be, "Well, gee, that's a sad story, and I feel for ya. Did you know there are other options--the gov't plan is not your cure all."
Another approach: "I am sorry you've had such a tough go. Any number of churches and charities are available. They'll give you physical and spiritual support."
One more, just off the top of my head: "What an awful experience that must've been. You have to understand, though, that the taxpayer will have less to use for his own health care if he is required to pay for yours. And that would be an awful experience, too."
Finally, our freedoms would be lost under ObamaCare....even CNN had to acknowledge it...
Your right, to many stupid people out there. But you have to admit it would be a great theatre. I bet Zero would go ballistic.
He’s resorting to begging.
You know, when my kids were little and digging in their heels and challenging me, I could always tell when I was winning because after the negotiating phase, they’d resort to begging.
Why not provide everyone with life insurance? They could run out poor widows with 5 kids and no way to support them. Boo frick’n hoo.
I'm sorry folks, it won't work on me. Socialism sucks. Obama is putting this country under through debt.
I don’t care how many sob stories come out I do not want the government handling health care. They already suck at the parts they control now. No Sale.
The VA hospital in Syracuse some years ago, had their ORs remodeled and had to have the surgeries farmed out to local hospitals.
The mortality rate dropped in half for that time.
Don’t forget that the government was also recently trying to make the veterans pay for their own health care through private means first, before giving out the benefits. What do you want to bet, they’ll pull something like this with us as well.
Just what I want. Government health care.
Did you read the post on another thread about a lady who just made a sign that said "HA HA HA" on one side...it was blank on the other?
She went to a "town hall" meeting where some 'rat joker was talking up Hussein's plan. She sat in the front row. Whenever he'd make a lying statement, she'd hold up the sign--all he saw was a blank sign, but the audience behind her saw "HA HA HA" and began to laugh right after his statement...really sounds like it worked. :)
They could have a fake doctor talk about a fake patient. Who would know the difference?
Oooohhh now she gets two props up for that one.. very good. that made it much more personal tooo.
I just heard on Foxnews that Obama has asked pastors to push his agenda from the pulpit. What happened to the left’s belief in separation of church and state?
Someone remind him only 1/3 of the citizens of the United States showed up to vote. 2/3 declined.
That isn’t a mandate. Can’t this administration take a hint?
We had a group of people over Saturday night for some fine Belgian Ale and munchies and the over consensus was “Yea it s a shame you lost your job and your wife has stage 4 breast cancer but just like you can’t rob me to pay for her treatment you can’t force me to pay through taxation for her care.” Or more distilled down..”How is that my problem?” But because most leftists are G*dless drones they worship at the altar of government and paying tribute at that alter with somebody else’s money makes them feel better. It’s easy to be all full of piss and vinegar about fixing a perceived problem if you aren’t paying for it.
Someone with $5,000 per month in medical bills, seeking coverage of those medical treatments and services for a cost of $1,000 per month is not seeking insurance, they are seeking charity or welfare. And anything which pays $5,000 a month in return for $1,000 is not providing insurance, they are providing charity or welfare.
Insurance insures against the unknown, based on an actuarial risk assessment.
No homeowners insurance company is going to issue a policy on an already burning house.
This is the fallacy of the argument that medical insurance companies should insure pre-existing condition medical conditions.
Perhaps we need to create a broad health welfare umbrella to assist those with uninsurable pre-existing conditions. It could be funded by a tax on all medical insurance policies, similar to the Algore telephone tax to provide telephone welfare for those who cannot afford telephones.
But let us call it a welfare program, not insurance. If the actuarial cost of medical insurance for a cancer survivor is $2,500 a month, and the government forces the insurance company to provide the policy for $1,000 a month, that does not change the actuarial risk or actuarial cost. It just forces the company to provide $1,500 per month in charity to the cancer survivor.
The government providing medical care welfare for those with severe medical requirements who cannot be insured is not in and of itself, a bad thing. Sure, it could be abused, but probably less so that other welfare programs.
Beyond that, religious and charitable organizations providing medical care charity for those with severe medical requirements who cannot be insured would be a very good thing.
Will these be real accounts or their usual fakes peddled before the public under false pretense?
Rats equate taking money from YOU and giving it away with generosity.
It is difficult to underestimate the moral appeal of a man who has been a total fraud his entire life.
Forget it long legged mack daddy. Rationing healthcare is immoral. I don’t care what preacher you drag out.
Letting our folks die by denying healthcare to them because of price, is just morally wrong.
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