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Shift: Obama Will Make 'Emotional and Moral Appeal' for Health Bill (Sob Stories Coming)
The Fox Nation ^ | 08/19/09

Posted on 08/19/2009 12:41:43 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

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51 posted on 08/19/2009 1:10:02 PM PDT by McGruff (We have the right to debate and disagree with any administration - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Reagan69
Or just any citizen who has ever had to navigate the maze of the federal bureaucracy. The feds are good and efficient at one thing, and that is getting your money. Anything else, forget it.

I'll volunteer the horror story of my Dad, WWII combat veteran, worked all his life (worked himself into an early grave), who was dying of cancer, totally disabled, but was denied SSI disability because the bureaucrats said he could "still work", even though he was wheelchair-bound, couldn't really use his arms, and had little control of his bodily functions towards the end. He had to go through almost two years of appeals and finally go up before an administrative judge before his appeals were granted. Then he lived another eight months and got little return compared to what he'd paid in. Really efficient system, that. Efficient at letting a sick person die. But I guess that's what Obama and the 'Rats want.

52 posted on 08/19/2009 1:13:20 PM PDT by chimera
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Governments aren't moral, people are. The government was never intended to be our teacher of morality, but that responsibility belongs to the family and religion. The government is not “our brother's keeper.” Throughout history there are examples of governments trying to enforce morality, and it has always resulted in total failure. Morality can't be legislated from the top down. All too often, when a government defines what is moral or not, many atrocities are committed. I'm certain that many believe that the ethical imperative: “each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs,” sounded very moral. Look how many lives were destroyed by such a morality.
53 posted on 08/19/2009 1:14:23 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Recovering_Democrat

A moral appeal from Obama? Oh my word.


54 posted on 08/19/2009 1:18:18 PM PDT by jennyjenny ( "The Harpoon")
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To: Yosemitest

btw who created *that* Obamajoker pic? because it’s much better than the Time joker.


55 posted on 08/19/2009 1:18:44 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Obama acted stupidly...and that's after knowing all the facts.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Oh, this is gonna be real scary, kids. Awooooo!


56 posted on 08/19/2009 1:21:07 PM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: vox_freedom
Well, I had a hang nail once that refused to heal,...

Hang-Nail-Healthcare Is a Right! Gimme gimme gimme!

57 posted on 08/19/2009 1:21:21 PM PDT by kromike
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Bill Maher and the rest of the religion-hating left must be PISSED by the fact that Obama needs to resort to religion to support his policies.


58 posted on 08/19/2009 1:21:49 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Obama acted stupidly...and that's after knowing all the facts.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I’m happy to give my money to help people I choose to help, be it from church or somewhere else. I don’t need it to go through Obama’s hands first.


59 posted on 08/19/2009 1:23:22 PM PDT by jennyjenny ( "The Harpoon")
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To: xkaydet65

Yep, you read in what I was layin’ down...

Desiring to, and voting to, force others to “help” people
in no way satisfies Christ’s requirement to help the poor.


60 posted on 08/19/2009 1:23:22 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

They are already on tv trying to take us on a guilt trip like their being feckless and reckless is somehow our fault.


61 posted on 08/19/2009 1:25:42 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Let’s see.

The Obama’s are going on vacation to Martha’s Vineyard.

Ted Kennedy is nearing his end at the family compound a short helicopter flight away.

What are the chances the an emotional appeal will issue from Obama at Ted’s bedside?


62 posted on 08/19/2009 1:32:28 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: angkor

loser......he’s going down the tubes


63 posted on 08/19/2009 1:34:25 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Little Ray
But there is a "Right to Life", and they're attacking that, saying "We can't afford it!"

HOW DARE THEY!!!!

64 posted on 08/19/2009 1:37:47 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

A reporterette on MSNBC said the Obama “campaign” had put out a call for Health SOB stories and she said they couldn’t find any!!!!!


65 posted on 08/19/2009 1:40:20 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: ari-freedom
I don't know. But the site is http://www.websophist.com/Joker_ObamaFlagWhyOSeriousGraffiti350M.jpg.
66 posted on 08/19/2009 1:41:35 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: kromike

Thanks for that compassionate response. Not many people can relate to the pain, indeed heartbreak, of hang-nails.


67 posted on 08/19/2009 1:46:35 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. God help us.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

How does one make an emotional and moral appeal FOR a bill that covers abortion and rations care?

If this were just about emotional and moral values, they would spend some of the bizillion $$$ they’ve been printing to expand Medicaid or Medicare, the current “public” plan, to those who are uninsured....but since it’s about SOCIALIZED medicine, the only way to gain control is to claim there is a crisis and destroy the current system.


68 posted on 08/19/2009 1:49:21 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Sarah Palin supports a "path to citizenship" = AMNESTY for illegal aliens. .... DEMINT '12)
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To: McGruff


"But Bernadine and Billie told me everyone would love socialism..."


69 posted on 08/19/2009 1:49:25 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: McGruff

Photo stolen, and will be well used.


70 posted on 08/19/2009 1:52:58 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

There is nothing “moral” about politicians stealing the fruits of one man’s labor to buy the votes of those who think others should pay their bills.

Government mandated free stuff for some = bondage for others.


71 posted on 08/19/2009 1:54:40 PM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: Recovering_Democrat

If this passes, it will be interesting to see how he “appeals” to doctors who refuse to accept patients on a “public/government” plan that reimburses them mere pennies on the dollar.


72 posted on 08/19/2009 1:56:03 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (Sarah Palin supports a "path to citizenship" = AMNESTY for illegal aliens. .... DEMINT '12)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

The essence of this program

“... is war...it is the war of the Democrats against the Baby Boom...who have paid into and now are poised to reap the “benefits” of Social Security and Medicare...it is the war of those who created these fraudulent programs ...which have fleeced 45 years of taxes from the Baby Boom..and never intended to grant them the “benefits” they were conned into allowing to be withheld from their paychecks. It is a personal war...because by hastening them to their graves...they intend to fleece their descendants of their estates.”


73 posted on 08/19/2009 1:56:46 PM PDT by mo
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To: Yosemitest
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt’ have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income

So, if the illegal alien doesn't have health insurance (not acceptable healthcare - that's using wrong terminology), he's going to be TAXED. Since most of them work in the underground economy, who's going to tax them? And will they be turned away from doctors and hospitals if they refuse to be covered?

Since a big hunk of the uninsured are illegal aliens, how is all this legislation really going to change anything?? How many of us live in states with large illegal alien populations? How many of those states have mandatory auto liability insurance? How many of those illegal aliens actually carry such insurance? How many of us have been subject to a hit and run by an illegal alien because he/she is not insured?

74 posted on 08/19/2009 2:02:47 PM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: keepitreal
With an ILLEGAL ALIEN as the Commander-In-Chief the illegal aliens should be very happy.
75 posted on 08/19/2009 2:07:23 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Obadiah
In other words: “We got new polling data and new focus group material that we are going to use.”

You may be right...otoh, this may just be the next step in the Alinsky method, since the polarization crap and targeting the messengers didn't work...it'd be interesting to know why Hussein's handlers are making him go this way.

One thing is certain: only his desire for control is genuine. The rest is window dressing.

76 posted on 08/19/2009 2:17:42 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: RebelTXRose

It would be so great to hear loud sobbing from the audience. I mean after all he is trying to pull the heart sting card. That would be perfect...fake tears for fake sob stories.


77 posted on 08/19/2009 2:29:23 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

He’ll drag out old Aunt Tamika( really an Acorn or SEIU member), they will cry together and hope people fall for it.


78 posted on 08/19/2009 2:31:29 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
The Obama’s are going on vacation to Martha’s Vineyard. Ted Kennedy is nearing his end at the family compound a short helicopter flight away. What are the chances the an emotional appeal will issue from Obama at Ted’s bedside?

Ya know, I almost wish Hussein did do that. Because it would go over like a fart in an elevator...
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he'd be finished not just with health care, but maybe with his entire agenda for the rest of his term...

79 posted on 08/19/2009 2:34:07 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: xkaydet65

“Christ’s call to help is a call to individuals to do so. There is no place saved for me in Heaven because I voted to take someone else’s money to do good.”

It would be immoral for the government to take my money because it will prevent me from helping the less fortunate thus preventing me from following Christ’s teaching to help others.


80 posted on 08/19/2009 2:35:08 PM PDT by imskylark (To educate a person in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society. -Teddy Roosevelt)
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Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Sunday that a public plan isn't the "essential element" of a health bill.


81 posted on 08/19/2009 2:38:48 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Repeat by any means necessary.)
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To: Marty62
It would be so great to hear loud sobbing from the audience. I mean after all he is trying to pull the heart sting card. That would be perfect...fake tears for fake sob stories.

Would be funny to us, but not to any undecideds, and it might turn some away from us...we have to fight this with facts, just like we have been doing...the mockery of someone else's pain is not going to be helpful...we've gotta keep our senses about us....

A better route would be, "Well, gee, that's a sad story, and I feel for ya. Did you know there are other options--the gov't plan is not your cure all."

Another approach: "I am sorry you've had such a tough go. Any number of churches and charities are available. They'll give you physical and spiritual support."

One more, just off the top of my head: "What an awful experience that must've been. You have to understand, though, that the taxpayer will have less to use for his own health care if he is required to pay for yours. And that would be an awful experience, too."

Finally, our freedoms would be lost under ObamaCare....even CNN had to acknowledge it...

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5 Freedoms You'll Lose Under Obama Care

82 posted on 08/19/2009 2:44:13 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Your right, to many stupid people out there. But you have to admit it would be a great theatre. I bet Zero would go ballistic.


83 posted on 08/19/2009 2:48:46 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

He’s resorting to begging.

You know, when my kids were little and digging in their heels and challenging me, I could always tell when I was winning because after the negotiating phase, they’d resort to begging.


84 posted on 08/19/2009 2:50:59 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Right out of the playboook. Show pitiful people without insurance and with serious medical problems and boo frick’n hoo.

Why not provide everyone with life insurance? They could run out poor widows with 5 kids and no way to support them. Boo frick’n hoo.

I'm sorry folks, it won't work on me. Socialism sucks. Obama is putting this country under through debt.

85 posted on 08/19/2009 2:51:38 PM PDT by Gabrial (ObamaCare: The efficiency of the Post Office, the compassion of the IRS, the costs of the Pentagon)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I don’t care how many sob stories come out I do not want the government handling health care. They already suck at the parts they control now. No Sale.


86 posted on 08/19/2009 2:52:12 PM PDT by linn37 ( "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: Yosemitest

The VA hospital in Syracuse some years ago, had their ORs remodeled and had to have the surgeries farmed out to local hospitals.

The mortality rate dropped in half for that time.

Don’t forget that the government was also recently trying to make the veterans pay for their own health care through private means first, before giving out the benefits. What do you want to bet, they’ll pull something like this with us as well.

Just what I want. Government health care.


87 posted on 08/19/2009 2:57:04 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Marty62
Oh yeah, it'd be hilarious.

Did you read the post on another thread about a lady who just made a sign that said "HA HA HA" on one side...it was blank on the other?

She went to a "town hall" meeting where some 'rat joker was talking up Hussein's plan. She sat in the front row. Whenever he'd make a lying statement, she'd hold up the sign--all he saw was a blank sign, but the audience behind her saw "HA HA HA" and began to laugh right after his statement...really sounds like it worked. :)

88 posted on 08/19/2009 2:59:15 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Ann Archy

They could have a fake doctor talk about a fake patient. Who would know the difference?


89 posted on 08/19/2009 3:08:37 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Oooohhh now she gets two props up for that one.. very good. that made it much more personal tooo.


90 posted on 08/19/2009 3:08:38 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Here's a tissue....holder


Because he isn't worth wasting a tissue on...
91 posted on 08/19/2009 3:12:18 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (I don't care if Obama was blue, it's his AGENDA & PLAN to destroy America & The Constitution I hate)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I just heard on Foxnews that Obama has asked pastors to push his agenda from the pulpit. What happened to the left’s belief in separation of church and state?


92 posted on 08/19/2009 3:12:55 PM PDT by imskylark (To educate a person in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society. -Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Someone remind him only 1/3 of the citizens of the United States showed up to vote. 2/3 declined.

That isn’t a mandate. Can’t this administration take a hint?


93 posted on 08/19/2009 3:18:54 PM PDT by JavaJumpy
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To: JavaJumpy

We had a group of people over Saturday night for some fine Belgian Ale and munchies and the over consensus was “Yea it s a shame you lost your job and your wife has stage 4 breast cancer but just like you can’t rob me to pay for her treatment you can’t force me to pay through taxation for her care.” Or more distilled down..”How is that my problem?” But because most leftists are G*dless drones they worship at the altar of government and paying tribute at that alter with somebody else’s money makes them feel better. It’s easy to be all full of piss and vinegar about fixing a perceived problem if you aren’t paying for it.


94 posted on 08/19/2009 3:56:03 PM PDT by pburgh01
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To: Recovering_Democrat
When the sob stories and the stories of those with pre-existing conditions come, remember this.

Someone with $5,000 per month in medical bills, seeking coverage of those medical treatments and services for a cost of $1,000 per month is not seeking insurance, they are seeking charity or welfare. And anything which pays $5,000 a month in return for $1,000 is not providing insurance, they are providing charity or welfare.

Insurance insures against the unknown, based on an actuarial risk assessment.

No homeowners insurance company is going to issue a policy on an already burning house.

This is the fallacy of the argument that medical insurance companies should insure pre-existing condition medical conditions.

Perhaps we need to create a broad health welfare umbrella to assist those with uninsurable pre-existing conditions. It could be funded by a tax on all medical insurance policies, similar to the Algore telephone tax to provide telephone welfare for those who cannot afford telephones.

But let us call it a welfare program, not insurance. If the actuarial cost of medical insurance for a cancer survivor is $2,500 a month, and the government forces the insurance company to provide the policy for $1,000 a month, that does not change the actuarial risk or actuarial cost. It just forces the company to provide $1,500 per month in charity to the cancer survivor.

The government providing medical care welfare for those with severe medical requirements who cannot be insured is not in and of itself, a bad thing. Sure, it could be abused, but probably less so that other welfare programs.

Beyond that, religious and charitable organizations providing medical care charity for those with severe medical requirements who cannot be insured would be a very good thing.

95 posted on 08/19/2009 4:25:44 PM PDT by magellan
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Will these be real accounts or their usual fakes peddled before the public under false pretense?


96 posted on 08/19/2009 4:50:48 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: MrB

Rats equate taking money from YOU and giving it away with generosity.


97 posted on 08/19/2009 5:00:52 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Obamacare: all the efficiency of the DMV and all the compassion of the IRS.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

It is difficult to underestimate the moral appeal of a man who has been a total fraud his entire life.


98 posted on 08/19/2009 5:01:40 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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99 posted on 08/19/2009 5:05:02 PM PDT by glock rocks (health care, gun safety and climate change are strawmen. It's all about CONTROL.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Forget it long legged mack daddy. Rationing healthcare is immoral. I don’t care what preacher you drag out.

Letting our folks die by denying healthcare to them because of price, is just morally wrong.


100 posted on 08/19/2009 5:08:13 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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