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Obama makes moral case for health reform
AFP ^ | 8-19-08 | Stephen Collinson

Posted on 08/19/2009 4:33:55 PM PDT by SJackson

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To: frogjerk

Keep in mind, the webcast was only to “progressive [LIBERAL] clergy ... no conservatives allowed.


51 posted on 08/19/2009 5:49:15 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: SJackson

“President Barack Obama Wednesday said America, as the world’s richest nation, had a moral duty to offer health care to everyone”

We also have a duty to provide free doughnuts, hamburgers, cars, HDTVs, Grandtheft Auto 8, sensible shoes, London Fog raincoats, digital cameras, laptop computers, full Encyclopedia Brittanica sets...

Where does it end?


52 posted on 08/19/2009 5:49:29 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: SJackson

Where is lightening when you think a strike is deserved. . .just speaking of a ‘morality’; while one’s actions disabuse all notions of such; seems to beg a ‘heavenly’ response. . .


53 posted on 08/19/2009 5:50:12 PM PDT by cricket ('Don't bow for me . . Obama ' (America'sorry' President))
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To: frogjerk

“That is that we look out for one another, that I am my brother’s keeper and I am my sister’s keeper”

Random Americans are not my brother. Let their families take care of them. I’ll give what I choose to charity and what I choose to myself.


54 posted on 08/19/2009 5:50:53 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
Where does it end?

I want all that and a bag of chips and a puppy too.

55 posted on 08/19/2009 5:50:54 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: SJackson

” America, as the world’s richest nation, had a moral duty to offer health care to everyone “

Tort reform and practical approaches to helping those who have no or limited health care could go a long way.
Many churches have medical missions that take volunteer doctors, nurses, dentists
and other health care professionals from their congregations and go out into poor
and underserved areas like the Appalachians where they offer mobile health clinics.
It would seem logical and economically sound to encourage more volunteerism and fund raisers to
help support these missions and mobile clinics.
If there are well run county and charity hospitals
that could use more equipment
and beds and staff-it would seem to be practical and economical to help them.
Tort reform would be a huge benefit.
Instead , Barry decides to hijack the entire medical system, socialize it and suffocate it
in God’s name.


56 posted on 08/19/2009 5:59:03 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I will never understand the liberal mind.

Truly; a Liberal mind is 'unto itself'. . .and by and for, itself. . .it is an empty, aberation of 'self' - in Caps.

Confounding; yes. ..disturbing and threatening; yes. . .

57 posted on 08/19/2009 6:13:06 PM PDT by cricket ('Don't bow for me . . Obama ' (America'sorry' President))
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To: linn37

I agree completely. I have long maintained that if Ted Kennedy or Barack O think someone should have their medical care paid for, then please let them pay for it. But don’t steal money from others to apy for it.


58 posted on 08/19/2009 6:37:07 PM PDT by dagogo redux (I never met a Dem yet who didn't understand a slap in the face, or a slug from a .45)
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To: SJackson
Any minister, church leader, or teacher who espouses any form of socialism is apostate and teaching false doctrine. They are like the scribes and the Pharisees of Jesus’ day, of whom He said “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” (Mark 7:7)

Nowhere in the Scriptures are we told to forcibly take what belongs to one person and give it to another who we think needs it more. Indeed, the Word of God teaches just the opposite.

We are told that we are responsible for our own needs and for the needs of our families. The Bible teaches; “But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” (1 Timothy 5:8)

There is nothing anywhere in God’s word that says the government is responsible to provide for us or our families. In fact, the Word of God instructs us that we shouldn’t even dump our responsibilities on the church either.

We are instructed; “If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.” (1 Timmothy 5:16) The church, not the government should help people who are unable to fend for themselves and have no family to support them (as a widow indeed).

So whether it’s Jeremiah Wright, or anyone else, preaching that God’s word supports any form of socialism, Bible believing Christians will reject that false doctrine.

59 posted on 08/19/2009 6:44:22 PM PDT by SUSSA
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Excuse me, Mr. Prez, I have a question.

You hit out at what you say are branded "fabrications" whipped up by opponents of your policy, including claims that it would expand abortions, give health care to illegal immigrants and ration end-of-life care.

And you stated;

"These are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation."

That certainly is good news Mr. Prez.

Now could you please point out to us, The American Citizens, where in the bill the built-in safeguards are and what measures will be taken to ensure that these so called "fabrications" will in fact never appear in the present plan nor at anytime in the future?
60 posted on 08/19/2009 6:45:01 PM PDT by Radio Free American? (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: frogjerk

If we have a moral obligation to help each other, then let’s ALL pay taxes instead of having the productive people in this society have to shoulder the burden for all of the people living off of our work.

All for one and one for all, right, turdslide? (referring to Barry Hussein)


61 posted on 08/19/2009 6:48:27 PM PDT by LeftiesBinWhinin (Term limits now!)
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To: Tublecane
Random Americans are not my brother. Let their families take care of them.

Wrong. Everyone is your brother but that doesn't mean you have to sit there and be taken advantage of.

Two of the spiritual works of mercy are to instruct the ignorant and convert the sinner. Taking advantage and stealing from people (stealing services from lawful taxpayers) is a sin and the sinner needs to be told.

62 posted on 08/19/2009 6:57:08 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: LeftiesBinWhinin
If we have a moral obligation to help each other, then let’s ALL pay taxes instead of having the productive people in this society have to shoulder the burden for all of the people living off of our work

Amen

63 posted on 08/19/2009 6:57:37 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...


Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care PING LIST

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64 posted on 08/19/2009 7:25:13 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: SJackson

Morals from a guy who is a black supremest, a man who has broken every major campaign promise he made, who lets his brother live in squalor, who’s mentor was a bomber who killed police officers and was upset he hadn’t killed more ...

MORALS?

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!


65 posted on 08/19/2009 7:44:01 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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