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Obama makes moral case for health reform
AFP ^ | 8-19-08 | Stephen Collinson

Posted on 08/19/2009 4:33:55 PM PDT by SJackson

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To: frogjerk

The principal problem in reflecting 0bama’s rhetoric and beliefs back onto him is that there is no image seen.

Get the garlic.


41 posted on 08/19/2009 5:21:38 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: smokingfrog
Obama also accused critics of "bearing false witness" about the his proposals, describing claims of federally created "death panels" as an "extraordinary lie." My advice is to not try and quote the bible when you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

Yes. Given the accusations of the last few weeks thrown at American citizens opposed to his plan, a lesson on slander is more important.

42 posted on 08/19/2009 5:22:01 PM PDT by SJackson (the number-one job facing the middle class...a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S. Jobs)
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To: Centurion2000

We need a photo of zero getting into AF1 to go next to this photo.

What a #%$king hypocrite. Typical liberal - wants to force all of us to “donate” so he get off cheaper .... and he is obviously really cheap.


43 posted on 08/19/2009 5:23:29 PM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: SJackson
My education from my parents, school, community and church was that I have a moral responsibility to to provide for the interests “Number One”. (That's “me” for those residing in Loma Linda) Depending on anything else is the road to perdition.

Politicians know this to be true and an independent public is a danger to their tenure.

44 posted on 08/19/2009 5:28:57 PM PDT by oyez ( damnant quod non intelligunt)
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To: SJackson
"That is that we look out for one another, that I am my brother's keeper and I am my sister's keeper," Obama said, using a phrase drawn from the Bible.

So Mr. 0, when the government has taken all that I have and fails to help my "neighbor" how do I then "look out" for my neighbor? What Mr. 0 fails to see is, I can do more with what I have in helping my "neighbor" than he and his government minions could ever think of doing to help my "neighbor."

45 posted on 08/19/2009 5:35:25 PM PDT by crazyhorse46
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To: SJackson
"That is that we look out for one another, that I am my brother's keeper and I am my sister's keeper," Obama said,...

I only have one brother and he ain't among Obambi's flock of common theives.

46 posted on 08/19/2009 5:38:40 PM PDT by meyer (Do not go gentle into that good night - Rage, rage against the dying of the light.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

0bama's brother, George Hussein Onyango Obama, lives on one dollar per month in a shanty town near Nairobi, Kenya. Barack visited him once. George has never heard from him again.
47 posted on 08/19/2009 5:38:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: SJackson

Could you have imagined the uproar of the media if the situation was reversed. The MSM made sure this did not see the light of day during the election so their ‘hero’ Obama could be elected.

McCain would have been tarred and feathered and had to withdraw his name IMHO!


48 posted on 08/19/2009 5:38:50 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn/Rubio - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: SJackson

problem here is... i am MORALLY OPPOSED to the fedgov usurping power from the citizens and forcing taxes on us to provide goods for private citizens.

taxes are for the general good. if they can ever refuse a treatment i request, then that is not general good but a private good... and is specifically not allowed with within the Constitution


50 posted on 08/19/2009 5:47:26 PM PDT by sten
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To: frogjerk

Keep in mind, the webcast was only to “progressive [LIBERAL] clergy ... no conservatives allowed.


51 posted on 08/19/2009 5:49:15 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: SJackson

“President Barack Obama Wednesday said America, as the world’s richest nation, had a moral duty to offer health care to everyone”

We also have a duty to provide free doughnuts, hamburgers, cars, HDTVs, Grandtheft Auto 8, sensible shoes, London Fog raincoats, digital cameras, laptop computers, full Encyclopedia Brittanica sets...

Where does it end?


52 posted on 08/19/2009 5:49:29 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: SJackson

Where is lightening when you think a strike is deserved. . .just speaking of a ‘morality’; while one’s actions disabuse all notions of such; seems to beg a ‘heavenly’ response. . .


53 posted on 08/19/2009 5:50:12 PM PDT by cricket ('Don't bow for me . . Obama ' (America'sorry' President))
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To: frogjerk

“That is that we look out for one another, that I am my brother’s keeper and I am my sister’s keeper”

Random Americans are not my brother. Let their families take care of them. I’ll give what I choose to charity and what I choose to myself.


54 posted on 08/19/2009 5:50:53 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
Where does it end?

I want all that and a bag of chips and a puppy too.

55 posted on 08/19/2009 5:50:54 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: SJackson

” America, as the world’s richest nation, had a moral duty to offer health care to everyone “

Tort reform and practical approaches to helping those who have no or limited health care could go a long way.
Many churches have medical missions that take volunteer doctors, nurses, dentists
and other health care professionals from their congregations and go out into poor
and underserved areas like the Appalachians where they offer mobile health clinics.
It would seem logical and economically sound to encourage more volunteerism and fund raisers to
help support these missions and mobile clinics.
If there are well run county and charity hospitals
that could use more equipment
and beds and staff-it would seem to be practical and economical to help them.
Tort reform would be a huge benefit.
Instead , Barry decides to hijack the entire medical system, socialize it and suffocate it
in God’s name.


56 posted on 08/19/2009 5:59:03 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I will never understand the liberal mind.

Truly; a Liberal mind is 'unto itself'. . .and by and for, itself. . .it is an empty, aberation of 'self' - in Caps.

Confounding; yes. ..disturbing and threatening; yes. . .

57 posted on 08/19/2009 6:13:06 PM PDT by cricket ('Don't bow for me . . Obama ' (America'sorry' President))
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To: linn37

I agree completely. I have long maintained that if Ted Kennedy or Barack O think someone should have their medical care paid for, then please let them pay for it. But don’t steal money from others to apy for it.


58 posted on 08/19/2009 6:37:07 PM PDT by dagogo redux (I never met a Dem yet who didn't understand a slap in the face, or a slug from a .45)
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To: SJackson
Any minister, church leader, or teacher who espouses any form of socialism is apostate and teaching false doctrine. They are like the scribes and the Pharisees of Jesus’ day, of whom He said “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” (Mark 7:7)

Nowhere in the Scriptures are we told to forcibly take what belongs to one person and give it to another who we think needs it more. Indeed, the Word of God teaches just the opposite.

We are told that we are responsible for our own needs and for the needs of our families. The Bible teaches; “But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” (1 Timothy 5:8)

There is nothing anywhere in God’s word that says the government is responsible to provide for us or our families. In fact, the Word of God instructs us that we shouldn’t even dump our responsibilities on the church either.

We are instructed; “If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.” (1 Timmothy 5:16) The church, not the government should help people who are unable to fend for themselves and have no family to support them (as a widow indeed).

So whether it’s Jeremiah Wright, or anyone else, preaching that God’s word supports any form of socialism, Bible believing Christians will reject that false doctrine.

59 posted on 08/19/2009 6:44:22 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SJackson
Excuse me, Mr. Prez, I have a question.

You hit out at what you say are branded "fabrications" whipped up by opponents of your policy, including claims that it would expand abortions, give health care to illegal immigrants and ration end-of-life care.

And you stated;

"These are all fabrications that have been put out there in order to discourage people from meeting what I consider to be a core ethical and moral obligation."

That certainly is good news Mr. Prez.

Now could you please point out to us, The American Citizens, where in the bill the built-in safeguards are and what measures will be taken to ensure that these so called "fabrications" will in fact never appear in the present plan nor at anytime in the future?
60 posted on 08/19/2009 6:45:01 PM PDT by Radio Free American? (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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