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UBS to hand over names of 4,450 clients to U.S. (IRS to Investigate Them)
Real Clear Markets ^ | August 19, 2009 | Ronald D. Orol

Posted on 08/19/2009 5:41:07 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - Thousands of Americans who thought they had a secret Swiss bank account will have their names and account details given to the U.S. Internal Revenue Services under an agreement announced Wednesday among U.S. and Swiss authorities and the Swiss bank UBS.

The IRS said Americans would no longer be able to evade taxes so easily by hiding their assets in offshore accounts.

The agreement comes as U.S. tax authorities conduct a criminal investigation into Americans who used Swiss bank accounts at UBS AG to avoid paying U.S. taxes.

The settlement follows demands from the U.S. authorities that the bank hand over details on more than 50,000 customers. According to the settlement, U.S. tax authorities will gain access to 4,450 accounts of Americans who have accounts with UBS, and will drop a lawsuit against UBS in federal court demanding the names.

However, the agency expects to have access to hundreds of additional accounts through other agreements. An IRS official said the total number of names disclosed could be in the "high 5,000s."

"Wealthy Americans who have hidden their money offshore will find themselves in a jam," said IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman. "You can expect us to continue to be aggressive with institutions that are helping Americans avoid taxes."

U.S. authorities are building criminal tax-evasion cases against more than 150 Americans who held accounts with UBS. He added that the accounts considered as part of the settlement held over $18 billion at one point.

'The days of hiding an asset overseas are days that clearly are eroding.'

A U.S. citizen can choose to appeal the case in a Swiss administrative court. The UBS clients are expected to receive notices in the mail in the next few weeks.

It could take months for the information to come to the IRS, an agency official said.

However, Shulman pointed out that the settlement represented a major improvement in the U.S. government's ability to gain access to information about U.S. tax avoiders.

"We started the negotiations at a point when the Swiss government took the position that we could not get access to the information, so we felt we needed to go through a U.S. court process to proceed," Shulman said. "About a month ago that posture changed. The Swiss government came to us and said they wanted to negotiate. Now, the Swiss government has said they have every reason to believe we will get access to these accounts."

Anthony Sabino, professor of law and business at St. John's University in New York, said the agreement represents a "new era in international law enforcement," because for the first time the Swiss government is willing to bend their "ultra-secret" bank secrecy laws.

"If the Swiss government cooperates on UBS, it will cooperate on other Swiss banks," Sabino said. "The pressure has been building against the damn for years, and now you're going to see a flood of information coming out. It is a signal that as capital moves with light speed over national borders, tax agencies and other governmental authorities will not be far behind."

UBS Chairman Kaspar Villiger said in a statement that the settlement helps resolve one of the Swiss bank's most pressing issues.

"I am confident that the agreement will allow the bank to continue moving forward to rebuild its reputation through solid performance and client service," he said.

Hand over the information -- voluntarily

Shulman pointed out that U.S. citizens have until Sept. 23 to voluntarily disclose their tax-avoidance or face "stiffer civil or possible criminal" charges. He added that U.S. citizens with hidden UBS accounts can still voluntarily disclose their account information to U.S. tax authorities before the deadline even if they previously received a notice from the Swiss bank. He added that bank notices will be sent out in stages and many letters may not be received by account holders until after the Sept. 23 voluntary deadline.

"The IRS will receive a significant portion of the account information after the Sept. 23 cutoff," Shulman said.

The accounts have a variety of holdings including precious metals and other securities. Some are off-shore "sham trust accounts," Shulman said.

St. John's University's Sabino pointed out that the voluntary program gives the tax-avoiders amnesty if they agree to a program to pay the back taxes they owe the U.S. government. However, if the tax-avoiders do not voluntarily disclose the information they can face jail time.

"If you don't come clean, the IRS won't be interested in just money, though they'll take that," Sabino said. "They'll be interested in criminal prosecution."

He added that U.S. citizens with undeclared UBS accounts will be "burning up the phone lines" with their expensive tax and white collar crime attorneys.

"If they can figure out some sort of payment scheme with the IRS they'll do that rather than face the possibility of going to jail," Sabino said.

Shahzad Malik, a tax attorney at TroyGould in Los Angeles, said he believes many U.S. residents will start coming forward on their own.

"This is simply unprecedented for an apparent turn-over in names by a Swiss bank," Malik said. "We may see a massive number of U.S. people who will now come forward voluntarily and negotiate a deal before the IRS locates them."

UBS has already handed over details on about 250 customers and paid fines of $780 million. But it has also been facing a further demand from tax authorities that it provide details on 52,000 other U.S. clients who may have been involved in tax evasion.

More banks identified

Shulman said he would not divulge whether the IRS has other investigations open, but the agency is receiving a lot of leads from the agency disclosure program.

"The days of hiding an asset overseas are days that clearly are eroding," Shulman said.

As well as the investigations over UBS, wealthy American citizens who have come forward under a tax-evasion amnesty program have identified other Swiss and European banks where their accounts are held, The Wall Street Journal reported.

Among the banks named in the voluntary disclosures are Credit Suisse Group , Julius Baer Holding and Union Bancaire Privee, the report said.

The disclosures aren't a signal of wrongdoing -- merely that a U.S. citizen keeps money at these banks -- and also don't indicate that other banks mirrored UBS' activities, including creating complex structures to help clients evade taxes, the Journal reported.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: agenda; banking; bho44; bhoirs; irs; swissbanks; taxevasion; ubs
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Be afraid. Be very afraid.
1 posted on 08/19/2009 5:41:09 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Time to switch to the Caymans..


2 posted on 08/19/2009 5:42:33 PM PDT by max americana (i)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

So, what’s the worst that could happen if one of these tax havens told the IRS to stuff it? “You’re not getting word one from us or dime one from our clients. Too bad so sad.”


3 posted on 08/19/2009 5:43:14 PM PDT by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: max americana

I’m just glad I’ve been banking at the ‘Mayonnaise Jar Buried in the Backyard Bank’ since Election Day, 2009. :)

If these scare tactics aren’t proof that our Government is flat broke, I don’t know what is.


4 posted on 08/19/2009 5:45:12 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Rush thinks there will be plenty of liberal dems on the list.

I think there won't be any.

5 posted on 08/19/2009 5:45:48 PM PDT by ryan71 (We out number them so lets act like it)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

This country needs a reset button.


6 posted on 08/19/2009 5:46:32 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

>>‘Mayonnaise Jar Buried in the Backyard Bank’<<

LOL!
I’ve been at the “Buy another jumbo bag of rice” bank.
Also the “U-pick blueberry” bank
And soon we’ll be at the “U-Pick tomato” bank.

Also buying silver.


7 posted on 08/19/2009 5:47:21 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: ryan71

Wealthy LibTards may be on the list but there will be SELECTIVE prosecution, I’m certain of that. ;)


8 posted on 08/19/2009 5:47:32 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Our Government is not flat broke Its in hock up to its neck

I don’t see this country surviving more than a couple more years, We had a good run


9 posted on 08/19/2009 5:48:04 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom ;))
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

It is a good thing I had the foresight in October, and cashed out my billions into Gold!


10 posted on 08/19/2009 5:48:36 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I so dearly hopa hopa hopa that there are Dem’s in that group ... big important Dem’s ... Pelosi for one ....


11 posted on 08/19/2009 5:48:57 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ryan71

you’re both right, of course.

There are many liberal dems on the list, but they will never be disclosed.......


12 posted on 08/19/2009 5:49:15 PM PDT by wombtotomb (Equal opportunity does NOT mean equal outcome!!)
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To: AFPhys
It is a good thing I had the foresight in October, and cashed out my billions into Gold!

You too?

13 posted on 08/19/2009 5:50:43 PM PDT by RoadKingSE (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash ?)
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To: netmilsmom

Smart Lady! :)

Did you know that a nickle is actually worth a nickle now based on the physical silver and copper in it? I’m thinking of buying a few rolls of nickles each week, too.


14 posted on 08/19/2009 5:51:04 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: coydog

The problem UBS faces is that they do business here, as well as in Switzerland. The BO administration could seize their US assets if they don’t comply.


15 posted on 08/19/2009 5:51:25 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: netmilsmom

don’t forget brass and lead


16 posted on 08/19/2009 5:51:44 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom ;))
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

And the knuckledraggers in the state run “media” get mad when we compare their “messiah” to Adolf Hitler. I sure don’t see any difference except for maybe the moustache.


17 posted on 08/19/2009 5:52:19 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (January 20th, 2013)
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To: al baby

Oh, al baby! Don’t be so glum!

We’ll all be so happy holed up in our bunkers, or being underground mole people. Buck up! :)


18 posted on 08/19/2009 5:53:02 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

REALLY?
Well ya don’t pay that “Spot + $$$” on rolls of nickles now do you?

I might have to visit a real bank!


19 posted on 08/19/2009 5:54:56 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: coydog
So, what’s the worst that could happen if one of these tax havens told the IRS to stuff it? “You’re not getting word one from us or dime one from our clients. Too bad so sad.”

UBS is a corporation, not a country, and they have a large presence here in the USA. The Zero admin can make all kinds of trouble for them. I assure you that they're not interested in an ideological fight with the IRS over the sanctity of their client accounts. They'll still rake in their billions after this, and that's all that really matters.

You might even see them becoming a corporate sponsor of one of Obama's initiatives after this, like green energy or something. You know, just to show that they "get it".

20 posted on 08/19/2009 5:55:34 PM PDT by Batrachian (Money is not the most important thing in life. The most important thing is... Broads!)
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To: al baby

Dad is handling those purchases ;-)


21 posted on 08/19/2009 5:55:36 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: RoadKingSE

I bought silver. And rice, lots of rice.


22 posted on 08/19/2009 5:57:32 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: coydog
There was a time (not all that long ago) when the Swiss would move rapidly and resolutely against foreign attempts to rip open their bank secrecy. No more.

I guess the Fascists have risen to power in Switzerland, too.

I can predict with 100% accuracy that these banks involved will no longer be big players on the world stage. Who will want to bank with them after this?

Also it would appear that the government will, in the not-too-distant future, begin to lose the confidence of the banking community. Turning their backs on a centuries-old tradition will not be met with a warm reception.

Is nothing sacred in these times?

CA....

23 posted on 08/19/2009 5:57:47 PM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've at last found that silly grin!)
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To: coydog
So, what’s the worst that could happen if one of these tax havens told the IRS to stuff it? “You’re not getting word one from us or dime one from our clients. Too bad so sad.”

The problem is United Bank of Switzerland (USB). They have a lot of toxic debt and also assets in the US. The US government has threatened in effect to seize their assets. So those ever discrete Swiss bankers are simply saving their own skins and telling their US clients to GGF. An old client of mine always called the Swiss the jackals of Europe. She absolutely detested the Swiss. Perhaps she was right after all.

24 posted on 08/19/2009 5:59:54 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: netmilsmom

Oh, just great! Between you and me, there’s going to be a gold-rush run on rolls of nickles now, LOL!


25 posted on 08/19/2009 6:00:03 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I want to see a list, so I can figure out how many are Democratic contributors.


26 posted on 08/19/2009 6:00:41 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

http://www.ubs.com/1/e/media_overview/media_emea/search1/search10?newsId=59131

as I recall UBS never actually used it to trade energy....it just kind of dried up and blew away once the court allowed it to be “sold”, very very early into the bankruptcy for next to nothing but future royalties which amounted to nothing....


27 posted on 08/19/2009 6:00:54 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: SkyDancer

“I so dearly hopa hopa hopa that there are Dem’s in that group ... big important Dem’s ... Pelosi for one ....”

Do you honestly think that if they are we are going to hear about it?


28 posted on 08/19/2009 6:04:51 PM PDT by Nik Naym (I remember when the United States was a free country. I feel old.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I figure that the clintons have at least a couple of billion in numbered Swiss accounts, from their days in the governor’s mansion, Mena Airport, and the White House. What are the odds that any of it will come out?


29 posted on 08/19/2009 6:06:25 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

LOL!
Shhhhhh, don’t tell anyone else.
You handle WI, I’ll handle MI.


30 posted on 08/19/2009 6:06:54 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Nik Naym

Depends on what news service ... might hear it from some British paper or maybe, just maybe FOX? Certainly on Rush.


31 posted on 08/19/2009 6:08:03 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: max americana

My thought was why these people did not opt for a smaller private bank in Switzerland.


32 posted on 08/19/2009 6:12:48 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Maybe not.
It’s illegal to melt them down

As of June 13, 2008, the value of the metal in a United States nickel coin reached $0.06013, an 20.3% premium over its face value.[7] This was due to the rising price of copper and nickel and the decline in value of the United States dollar.[8] In an attempt to avoid losing large quantities of circulating nickels to melting, the United States Mint introduced new interim rules on December 14, 2006 criminalizing the melting and export of cents and nickels. Violators of these rules can be punished with a fine of up to $10,000, five years imprisonment, or both.[9]
(from Wikipedia)


33 posted on 08/19/2009 6:13:32 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: SkyDancer

“Depends on what news service ... might hear it from some British paper or maybe, just maybe FOX? Certainly on Rush.”

And how are they going to find out?

I don’t think the Govt. will release the names. Unless they are well known conservatives or Republicans, of course.

I would bet the ranch that there will be cover ups for the “right” people by the IRS.


34 posted on 08/19/2009 6:20:00 PM PDT by Nik Naym (I remember when the United States was a free country. I feel old.)
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To: MSF BU

4 Swiss banks were specifically named. You are correct there, MSF.


35 posted on 08/19/2009 6:23:08 PM PDT by max americana (i)
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To: al baby
don’t forget brass and lead

As I have posted on this forum many times...

Lead is a hazardous material. It is highly recommended that any and all lead be encased in some other material, such as copper.

36 posted on 08/19/2009 6:23:17 PM PDT by Blackhawk (God said it, I believe it, That settles it.)
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To: Nik Naym

As it’s been said “the truth will out”.... hopefully ....


37 posted on 08/19/2009 6:30:12 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Somebodies did’nt donate quite enough to the “Bamamachine....


38 posted on 08/19/2009 6:37:30 PM PDT by mo
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To: ryan71
Oh, I bet plenty of Libs.

Im thinking the whole Clinton Crime Family, from Chelsea and Roger, to Hugh and Tony Rodham.

39 posted on 08/19/2009 6:39:26 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: al baby

“I don’t see this country surviving more than a couple more years, We had a good run”

Okay, I guess we should all just suicide out now!


40 posted on 08/19/2009 6:46:20 PM PDT by avenir
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To: avenir

You first


41 posted on 08/19/2009 6:57:55 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom ;))
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

42 posted on 08/19/2009 6:59:12 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Hussein Baraka Mook Kebba)
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To: al baby
I don’t see this country surviving more than a couple more years, We had a good run

This is how you fix it.

Texas and maybe Louisiana secede and the marxists issue orders to bring them back.

The US Military instead rounds up the socialists and puts them on a plane to Cuba.

Provisional military government for 6 months, then new elections for all congressional seats and the WH, incumbents need not apply.

Only tax paying citizens and veterans are enfranchised in the new Republic.

All amendments other than the original bill of rights are repealed.

"Dueling" legalized within Washington DC limits.

Problem solved.

43 posted on 08/19/2009 7:04:34 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Hussein Baraka Mook Kebba)
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To: max americana
Yes, either that or go with a numbered account in Liechtenstein, if they still do it. If you are going to the trouble of hiding money, then hide it.
44 posted on 08/19/2009 7:14:38 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: netmilsmom
...criminalizing the melting and export of cents and nickels.

So if I'm traveling overseas and my name comes up on the enemies list they can have me arrested for having nickels in my pocket change?

45 posted on 08/19/2009 7:24:34 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: Rome2000

I’m glad you made the bad guy red, the traditional color of communism. This “Red State” “Blue State” template is the SRM trying to make us forget.


46 posted on 08/19/2009 7:27:06 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: Nateman

LOL!

Nowadays, who knows!


47 posted on 08/19/2009 7:28:50 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

The Holy O is just following the example of his hero Stalin: shaking down the kulaks and confiscating their property to benefit party apparatchiks and unwashed rabble that supports them.


48 posted on 08/19/2009 7:29:06 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: al baby

“You first”

No way. I want to be around for Apocalypse.


49 posted on 08/19/2009 7:31:27 PM PDT by avenir
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To: Rome2000

I think thats perfect


50 posted on 08/19/2009 7:38:01 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom ;))
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