Skip to comments.Romney: Liberals given too much say in health care [except Romney is a liberal!]
Posted on 08/20/2009 7:58:49 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
WASHINGTON (AP) - Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney says President Barack Obama is struggling to get a health care bill because he has been too deferential to the liberal wing of his party.
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Oh Romney, only you would know.
I think that if the GOP wants to get anything done, it should purge its RINO wing, including Romney.
Meat’s back on the menu today.
What is funny is the Massachusetts model is used as an example for the national model.. now who was responsible for that? Hmmmm...
This guy really does think that we’re all stupid, doesn’t he?
“I think that if the GOP wants to get anything done, it should purge its RINO wing, including Romney. “
My tagline speaks for itself.
He must think we can't Google his past.
Yeah, he should “reach across the aisle” like you did, eh, Mitt?
We all know Romney was able to set aside his liberal views to run for President.
Whomever runs for the Republican nomination next time will have no problem destroying Romney, now that we are so much more aware of the health care issue.
Romney is a fraud and should be kicked out of the party.
Below is what a real conservative leader says about ObamaCare.
Barack Obamas health care plan should have an appearance before its own policy end of life panel, to be put out of business - Tim Pawlenty
This guy really does think that were all stupid, doesnt he?
Yesterday Hannity asked him if he is running in 2012, and he gave some roundabout answer about not having thought that far ahead.
He is in full campaign mode now. It’s clear to anyone looking (not that I fault anyone for running, but come on.)
For some reason he already has most conservative talk show hosts in his back pocket (Hannity was almost apologising for him yesteray, trying to explain why RomneyCare wasn’t really Romney’s fault and any problems with it were really due to the state legislature.)
Romney’s running. No doubt about it. If conservatives don’t start early to get behind a SINGLE candidate, Romney will be it. He’s got too much party insider support and momentum already. This is how we got McCain, and the same process is shaping up that will result in Romney as the 2012 candidate.
America could survive and would. . .with Romney. It will not survive with Obama and the radical Left in power.
The portrait depicts the governor seated at the front edge of his desk wearing his trademark business suit. Beside him is a small framed photo of his wife, Ann, and ... [wait for it] ... a copy of the health care reform law he called his greatest achievement.
However, this "great achievement"'s spending has doubled in the last two years, jumping from $630 million in 2007 to an estimated $1.3 billion in fiscal year 2009.
Way to go Mitt. This is a useful headline for us.
If Mitt can make front page news criticizing the Commies, then more power to him.
Romney is a liberal Republican but that’s still a long way from being a liberal Democrat.
But compared to Obama he looks conservative.
But we can do far better in 2012.
Thanks for staying on these RINOs, last year conservative talk radio selected him in primary because he is an expert at talking like a conservative.
Both liberal Republicans and liberal Democrats are still liberals.
And all liberals are bad news.
Romney and talk show hosts such as Hannity share a core trait - they are all about self-promotion. Principles are assumed only to the extend that they do not hinder self-promotion, and will be discarded if they later do just that.
When he lied about Romneycare and Hannity didn’t question him on it, I had to shut the radio off. He said that people who didn’t insure themselves gave up a ‘tax incentive’ that people who did insure themselves would get. That ‘tax incentive’ was to insure yourself or you’re going to get a tax RAISE. Scumbag.
In a FREE country, people aren’t FORCED to buy health insurance. (And to all you Romneybot morons out there, in a FREE country you don’t have to prove to the government that you have $10k in a bank account either and don’t make me explain AGAIN how emergency rooms work now.)
I like Romney. Have liked him ever since he came to Utah and saved the Olympics. I think it’s likely he’ll be the next GOP nominee.
No need to flame me and send me all kinds of red-inked diatribes. I read them all last year. I just don’t agree or believe them. Yes, he’s changed positions on some things. And I’m troubled by the health care plan in Mass. And I don’t like RINO’s.
But purging Romney, Rinos and anyone else who doesn’t think like me....well, that would leave me with a mighty small party.
So I remain open to a Romney campaign. See what he has to say. Or maybe someone else will win me over. We’ll see.
He’s a liberal, and so were his parents.
Sarah Palin has 10x as many fans as Romney on Facebook. That should tell you all you need to know. If she runs, Romney is toast.
It will be ugly if Romney runs. Too many of the “Sarah rumors” have been traced back to Romney supporters/staffers to make it a conincidnece. Rather, it is the way they do business.
Expet Sarah to be slimed. And expect many “conservative” talk host to wonder out loud “Is Sarah ready?” (or any number of other things in an attempt to produce death by 1000 cuts.)
Romney is a George Bush type of mod/lib Republican.
Too liberal for me in some policies but OK on others.
But that is a far cry from lumping them with liberal Democrats that I disagree with 100%.
Is there anyone right now who could honestly say they wouldn’t rather have Romney in the White House right now?
I want a truely conservative candidate to run as much
as anyone and if we get one I will back them 100%.
America could survive and would. . .with Romney. It will not survive with Obama and the radical Left in power.
That’s the attitude that gave us McCain as a nominee and PUT OBAMA IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
Moderate Republicans don’t attract swing/crossover voters. Conservative ones do.
It seems counter intuitive, but given the choice between a moderate Republican and moderate/left Democrat, swing voters go Democrate. Given the choice between a conservative Republican and a moderate/left Democrat, swing voters go Republican.
Why, I don’t know. But if you look at the presidential elections over the last 50 years it always falls that way.
Logic doesn’t work on the Romney haters.
Romney is toast. The GOP does not want to substitute Romneycare for Obamacare.
"I've sold out my voters. Do you love me now?"
"1,000 cancer patients 'refused treatment'
Charities warned that patients with less common forms of cancer were being discriminated against, while others condemned the system as a scandal.
Patients and their doctors can appeal for the NHS to pay for drugs not currently licensed for that type of the disease.
But one in three applications were turned down in the last three years, leaving patients having to pay up £20,000 for the medication themselves."
"Mass. Pushes Rationing to Control Universal Healthcare Costs (RomneyCare)
A 10-member Massachusetts state healthcare advisory board unanimously recommended
that the state begin rationing healthcare to keep the states marquee universal health care program afloat financially.
The July 16 recommendations, the Boston Globe explained, would result in a situation where patients could find it harder to get procedures they want but are of questionable benefit if doctors are operating within a budget.
And they might find it more difficult to get care wherever they want, if primary doctors push to keep patients within their accountable care organization.
The Globe stressed that the recommendations would dramatically change how doctors and hospitals are paid, essentially putting providers on a budget as a way to control exploding healthcare costs and improve the quality of care.
"Budget" is a more politically acceptable word for rationing.
The Globe also noted that consumer advocates said patients are going to have to be educated about the new system. Yes, apparently they will have to get used to having their healthcare rationed.
"Massachusetts Universal Healthcare System Breaking Down Already
When Governor Mitt Romney instituted a universal healthcare plan for Massachusetts in 2006 he proclaimed it a conservative idea.
But has it worked? Has it been successful?
For a time, many thought it might but cracks in the system are already being seen.
These cracks are instructive as a lesson on how Obamacare will crash and burn just like Romneycare is now in the process of doing.
One of the early claims that helped push Romneycare through to law was the insistence by its supporters that Emergency Room visits would fall as more and more citizens became covered under healthcare insurance.
Since ER care is far more expensive than a doctor's care, it was thought that more people with insurance would ease the overcrowding of ERs as well as lower the overall costs of healthcare.
However, a flaw in this logic has been seen throughout the state. As more people became insured, more people demanded the care of doctors. These doctors became overloaded with patients and waiting lists for doctors got longer and longer.
As a result, ERs in Massachusetts have not seen a downturn in visits. On the contrary, it seems that ER visits are actually on the upswing in the Bay State. In fact, in 2007 they were higher than the national average by 20 percent...
"Hospital patients 'left in agony'"
"Patients were allegedly left screaming in pain and drinking from flower vases on a nightmare hospital ward.
Between 400 and 1,200 more people died than would have been expected at Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust over three years, a damning Healthcare Commission report said.
The watchdog's investigation found inadequately trained staff who were too few in number, junior doctors left alone in charge at night and patients left without food, drink or medication as their operations were repeatedly cancelled.
Patients were left in pain or forced to sit in soiled bedding for hours at a time and were not given their regular medication, the Commission heard.
Receptionists with no medical training were expected to assess patients coming in to A&E, some of whom needed urgent care.
Sir Bruce Keogh, medical director of the NHS, said there had been a "gross and terrible breach" of patients' trust and a "complete failure of leadership".
The Healthcare Commission's chairman Sir Ian Kennedy said the investigation followed concerns about a higher than normal death rate at the Trust, which senior managers could not explain.
He said: "The resulting report is a shocking story. Our report tells a story of appalling standards of care and chaotic systems for looking after patients. These are words I have not previously used in any report.
"There were inadequacies in almost every stage of caring for patients. There was no doubt that patients will have suffered and some of them will have died as a result."
Julie Bailey, 47, was so concerned about the care being given to her 86-year-old mother Bella at Stafford Hospital that she and her relatives slept in a chair at her bedside for eight weeks.
She said: "We saw patients drinking out of..."
"Paramedics told: 'Let accident victims die if they want to' in new row over patient rights (UK)"
Health Service paramedics have been told not to resuscitate terminally-ill patients who register on a controversial new database to say they want to die.
It has been set up by the ambulance service in London for hundreds of people who have only a few months to live so that they may register their 'death wishes' in advance.
It is believed to be the first in the country, but other trusts around the country are expected to follow suit to comply with Government guidelines which state that patients' wishes should be taken into account, even at the point of death.
Patients' groups and doctors have welcomed the scheme, but it has met opposition from pro-life groups who say it violates the sanctity of life.
The system would come into play if a cancer patient, for example, was in serious pain and rang 999 for help to alleviate the suffering.
But if the paramedics arrived and the patient was close to death, he or she would not be resuscitated if such a request was registered on the database.
This would also be the case if a patient on the database was being transferred between hospitals, and had a heart attack.
Dominica Roberts from the Pro-Life Alliance said: 'This is very sad and very dangerous. It's another step along the slippery slope, at the bottom of which is euthanasia as we see in Holland. 'Paramedics should be there to save lives. They should not be there to let patients die. The medical profession should not agree with someone's belief that their life is worthless.'"
"National Health Preview - The Massachusetts debacle, coming soon to your neighborhood."
"Three years ago, the former Massachusetts Governor had the inadvertent good sense to create the "universal" health-care program that the White House and Congress now want to inflict on the entire country.
It is proving to be instructive, as Mr. Romney's foresight previews what President Obama, Max Baucus, Ted Kennedy and Pete Stark are cooking up for everyone else.
In Massachusetts's latest crisis, Governor Deval Patrick and his Democratic colleagues are starting to move down the path that government health plans always follow when spending collides with reality -- i.e., price controls.
As costs continue to rise, the inevitable results are coverage restrictions and waiting periods. It was only a matter of time.
They're trying to manage the huge costs of the subsidized middle-class insurance program that is gradually swallowing the state budget.
The program provides low- or no-cost coverage to about 165,000 residents, or three-fifths of the newly insured, and is budgeted at $880 million for 2010, a 7.3% single-year increase that is likely to be optimistic.
The state's overall costs on health programs have increased by 42% (!) since 2006.
What really whipped along RomneyCare were claims that health care would be less expensive if everyone were covered.
But reducing costs while increasing access are irreconcilable issues.
Mr. Romney should have known better before signing on to this not-so-grand experiment, especially since the state's "free market" reforms that he boasts about have proven to be irrelevant when not fictional.
Only 21,000 people have used the "connector" that was supposed to link individuals to private insurers."
A Very Sick Health Plan; Bay States Grand Experiment Fails [RomneyCare]
"The Daily News Record, Harrisonburg, Va. - 2009-03-31 "
"For folks increasingly leery of President Obamas plan to radically overhaul Americas health-care system,
or 17 percent of the nations economy, all this could hardly have come at a better time
that is, fiscal troubles aplenty within Repubican Mitt Romneys brainchild, Massachusetts grand experiment in universal health care."
"Initiated on Mr. Romneys gubernatorial watch in 2006, this experiment has fallen on hard times, and predictably so.
Even though the Bay State commenced its program with a far smaller percentage of uninsured residents than exists nationwide,
RomneyCare is threatening to bankrupt the state. Budgeted for Fiscal Year 2010 at $880 million,
or 7.3 percent more than a year ago, this plan, aimed at providing low- or no-cost health coverage to roughly 165,000 residents,
has caused Massachusetts overall expenditures on all health-related programs to jump an astounding 42 percent since 2006.
So what does Mr. Romneys successor, Democratic Gov. Deval Patrick, propose as a remedy for these skyrocketing costs?
Well, whaddya think? The standard litany of prescriptions (no pun intended) price controls and spending caps, for a start, and then, again predictably, waiting periods and limitations on coverage.
As in Europe and Canada, so too in Massachusetts. And, we feel certain, everyone from Mr. Romney to Mr. Patrick said, It would never happen here.
But then, such things are inevitable when best-laid plans, with all their monstrous costs, run smack-dab into fiscal reality.
Thousands of patients with terminal cancer were dealt a blow last night after a decision was made to deny them life prolonging drugs.
The Government's rationing body said two drugs for advanced breast cancer and a rare form of stomach cancer were too expensive for the NHS.
The National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence is expected to confirm guidance in the next few weeks that will effectively ban their use.
The move comes despite a pledge by Nice to be more flexible in giving life-extending drugs
to terminally-ill cancer patients after a public outcry last year over 'death sentence' decisions."
"Patients Forced To Wait Hours In Ambulances Parked Outside A&E Departments
"An investigation by The Sunday Telegraph has found that thousands of 999 patients are being left to wait in ambulances in car parks and holding bays, or in hospital corridors in some cases for more than five hours before they can even join the queue for urgent treatment.
Experts warn that hospitals are deliberately delaying when they accept patients or are diverting them to different sites
in order to meet Government targets to treat people within fours hours of admitting them."
"Cancer survivor confronts the health secretary on 62-day wait (UK Socialized Medicine)
WAITING times for cancer treatment need to be cut, the Scottish Government was told yesterday.
..Cancer experts later said that patients elsewhere in Europe would be "outraged" by having to wait two months to start treatment, with most being seen within two weeks.
The current target of 62 days from urgent referral by a doctor to starting treatment has still not been met in Scotland, despite that originally being the target figure for 2005."
"Hospital patient so shocked at dirty ward she climbed out of bed to clean it herself
After 12 years cleaning care homes and private houses, no one is better qualified than Tereza Tosbell to say whether a room is spotless.
So hospital bosses should take heed of her opinion after she spent four days on a 'filthy' ward.
The mother-of-one said during her stay there was a single, brief visit from a cleaner who left dusty curtains, dirty bedframes and a messy floor.
Disgusted at the conditions, she grabbed the antibacterial fluid dispenser at the end of her bed and some hand towels from the bathroom.
She then set about cleaning her four-bed ward, at one point dropping to her hands and knees to sanitise the floor as she dragged her drip trolley behind her.
'It was shameful to see how sloppy the cleaners were while I was there. I was not prepared to put up with such conditions,'
said Miss Tosbell, a 48-year-old divorcee who was admitted to Colchester General Hospital in Essex with an abscess in her neck.."
"Kidney cancer patients denied life-saving drugs by NHS rationing body NICE (UK Socialized Medicine)
Thousands of kidney cancer patients are likely to lose out on life-prolonging drugs.
The NHS rationing body, NICE, has confirmed a ban on three out of four new treatments.
.. 'Families will be denied time together and doctors will be unable to give patients the best treatment.'."
"Girl, 3, has heart operation cancelled three times because of bed shortage (UK Socialized Medicine)
A three-year-old girl awaiting heart surgery has had her operation cancelled three times this month because of a shortage of beds.
... A hospital spokesman said that procedures would be reviewed, but the case highlights a growing problem of cancelled operations in the NHS.
More than 57,000 surgeries were postponed for non-clinical reasons, including a lack of beds, last year 10 per cent more than the previous year."
lady lawyer : "Logic doesnt work on the Romney haters."
When the facts and law are not on their side, they throw "bricks".
Here you are, right on cue. And pinging your posse.
Hello Pot, Meet Kettle.
> Romney is a liberal Republican but thats still a long way from being a liberal Democrat.
Q: What’s the difference between a liberal Republican and a liberal Democrat?
A: 2 letters.
Yesterday, a caller to Sean Hannity's program got through and immediately launched into his speech about not getting "cut off so I can get my points across" spiel. Hannity ordered him to get to his point right away, and the caller then sounded like he was reading from a Word document concerning Romney Care and how Conservatives could not oppose Obama Care because the plans were so similar.
Then, I heard the same "talking points" on a local radio station later that evening.
Now, CBS and other liberal MSM networks are carrying the same water.
This didn't come out of thin air. It is clearly orchestrated.
There you are, lady lawyer.
Failing to rebut any of the score of urls demonstating
hallucination on the part of the RomneyBOTs ... at best.
That is your pattern.
"Pinging a posse"? How clever of you.
Is that San Franciscan or Salt Lake City cunning lingo?
It is indeed. Good post!
“Logic doesnt work on the Romney haters”
So if you disagree with Romney’s policies, you axiomatically hate him. Tell me, did you flunk logic as an undergraduate, or in law school?
? As a man Romney has one vote so purging him means nothing one way or the other, vote republican or don't, but you want to make him leader of the republican party and of the conservative movement and president of the United States of America.
That is something that people that care must prevent.
That’s how I feel as well. Give our party a voice.
It is hard to imagine that he is more liberal than McCain
That’s the right attitude for now, for me.
His shtick is wearing on me.
Don’t fight with each other, fight with the Democrats.