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obama: 'We are God's partners in matters of life and death'

Posted on 08/20/2009 9:45:01 AM PDT by RED SOUTH

"We are God's partners in matters of life and death," Obama said, quoting from the Rosh Hashanah prayer that says that in the holiday period, it is decided "who shall live and who shall die." The president ended the call by wishing the rabbis "shanah tovah," or happy new year — in reference to the High Holidays a month from now. A reader points out that President Obama's call with the rabbis today — as recorded in Rabbi Jack Moline's and other clerics' Twitter feeds — freights health care reform with a great deal of religious meaning, and veers into the blend of policy and faith that outraged liberals in the last administration.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhohealthcare; missinglink; obamaandgod; religiousleft
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1 posted on 08/20/2009 9:45:01 AM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: RED SOUTH

I suppose the Deity let him in on that personally.


2 posted on 08/20/2009 9:46:16 AM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: RED SOUTH

More jive from out conman president Hussein


3 posted on 08/20/2009 9:47:07 AM PDT by dennisw (Free Republic is an island in a sea of zombies)
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To: RED SOUTH

He quotes God only when it’s politically expedient


4 posted on 08/20/2009 9:48:32 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: RED SOUTH

I think he’s gone way over his pay grade if he thinks he partners with God on life and death! “Pride goeth before the fall”...maybe he should be reading the Bible with a sincere heart instead of with a heart of stone...


5 posted on 08/20/2009 9:49:19 AM PDT by sassy steel magnolia (USAF life and Navy wife...God Bless the USA!)
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To: RED SOUTH
Genesis 3:5 "For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil."
6 posted on 08/20/2009 9:50:09 AM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: RED SOUTH
To the narcissist, God and he are partners, as long as God serves the narcissist's needs. When you compare the following excerpt to Obummer's behavior and his large band of cult-like followers, I dare say a shiver will run up your spine, rather than a tingle down your leg. - OB1

Excerpt based on the book "Malignant Self Love - Narcissism Revisited" - Sam Vaknin :

God is everything the narcissist ever wants to be: omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, admired, much discussed, and awe inspiring. God is the narcissist's wet dream, his ultimate grandiose fantasy. But God comes handy in other ways as well.

The narcissist alternately idealizes and devalues figures of authority.

In the idealization phase, he strives to emulate them, he admires them, imitate them (often ludicrously), and defends them. They cannot go wrong, or be wrong. The narcissist regards them as bigger than life, infallible, perfect, whole, and brilliant. But as the narcissist's unrealistic and inflated expectations are inevitably frustrated, he begins to devalue his former idols.

Now they are "human" (to the narcissist, a derogatory term). They are small, fragile, error-prone, pusillanimous, mean, dumb, and mediocre. The narcissist goes through the same cycle in his relationship with God, the quintessential authority figure.

But often, even when disillusionment and iconoclastic despair have set in -- the narcissist continues to pretend to love God and follow Him. The narcissist maintains this deception because his continued proximity to God confers on him authority. Priests, leaders of the congregation, preachers, evangelists, cultists, politicians, intellectuals -- all derive authority from their allegedly privileged relationship with God.

Religious authority allows the narcissist to indulge his sadistic urges and to exercise his misogynism freely and openly. Such a narcissist is likely to taunt and torment his followers, hector and chastise them, humiliate and berate them, abuse them spiritually, or even sexually. The narcissist whose source of authority is religious is looking for obedient and unquestioning slaves upon whom to exercise his capricious and wicked mastery. The narcissist transforms even the most innocuous and pure religious sentiments into a cultish ritual and a virulent hierarchy. He prays on the gullible. His flock become his hostages.

Religious authority also secures the narcissist's narcissistic supply. His coreligionists, members of his congregation, his parish, his constituency, his audience -- are transformed into loyal and stable sources of narcissistic supply. They obey his commands, heed his admonitions, follow his creed, admire his personality, applaud his personal traits, satisfy his needs (sometimes even his carnal desires), revere and idolize him.

Moreover, being a part of a "bigger thing" is very gratifying narcissistically. Being a particle of God, being immersed in His grandeur, experiencing His power and blessings first hand, communing with him -- are all sources of unending narcissistic supply. The narcissist becomes God by observing His commandments, following His instructions, loving Him, obeying Him, succumbing to Him, merging with Him, communicating with Him -- or even by defying him (the bigger the narcissist's enemy -- the more grandiosely important the narcissist feels).

Like everything else in the narcissist's life, he mutates God into a kind of Inverted Narcissist. God becomes his dominant source of supply. He forms a personal relationship with this overwhelming and overpowering entity -- in order to overwhelm and overpower others. He becomes God vicariously, by the proxy of his relationship with Him. He idealizes God, then devalues Him, then abuses him. This is the classic narcissistic pattern and even God himself cannot escape it.

7 posted on 08/20/2009 9:51:20 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Extreme right-winged mob terrorist astroturfing bitter clinging racist birther evilmongering wingnut)
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To: RED SOUTH

Crimmeny, its like Mccains we are all gods children


8 posted on 08/20/2009 9:51:34 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: RED SOUTH

Very strange thing to say, and arrogant. Especially because he is referring to healthcare, abortions and letting the elderly die. Kevorkian will be proud of him!


9 posted on 08/20/2009 9:51:34 AM PDT by thomas16
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To: RED SOUTH

I thought this was above his pay grade.


10 posted on 08/20/2009 9:51:38 AM PDT by abishai
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To: RED SOUTH
obama: 'We are God's partners in matters of life and death'

Fixed it!

11 posted on 08/20/2009 9:52:00 AM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: RED SOUTH

Oh no he didn’t!!!!


12 posted on 08/20/2009 9:52:12 AM PDT by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: RED SOUTH

Although I choke down vomit when I try this, I do attempt to pray for Barry’s soul. I know that God can do all things and any- thing. Still, that God would shame my doubting faith and turn this man from his arrogance and sin.....

Not that I don’t deserve a good smiting of my own, but for using this phrase and attempting to turn good for evil, may God smite the hell of this foolish jerk, and Forgive me if I enjoy it too much.

Amen


13 posted on 08/20/2009 9:52:56 AM PDT by Wife of D
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To: thomas16

If the Democrats want to keep insisting they didn’t have “Death Panels” in mind they’ve gotta’ shut up Goober Fur Shur.


14 posted on 08/20/2009 9:53:13 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RED SOUTH

“We are God’s partners in matters of life and death,”

no that’s not a quote from a prayer. that’s just obama.


15 posted on 08/20/2009 9:53:19 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Obama acted stupidly...and that's after knowing all the facts.)
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To: RED SOUTH; All
"We are God's partners in matters of life and death," Obama said, quoting from the Rosh Hashanah prayer that says that in the holiday period, it is decided "who shall live and who shall die."


16 posted on 08/20/2009 9:53:41 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: RED SOUTH
"We are God's partners in matters of life and death"

And which "god" would that be, Mr. Obama? Mighty presumptuous of you, on the one hand, and mighty evocative of some frightening past regimes, on the other.

17 posted on 08/20/2009 9:55:15 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RED SOUTH

18 posted on 08/20/2009 9:55:40 AM PDT by PureSolace (Trust in God)
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To: RED SOUTH

How stupid could we be? As Catholics do not expect to meet or lobby against abortion in a CHURCH. The laity has plenty of other places to meet to overthrow this idiot and his sin ridden plans.
We do meet and we will get rid of him in our secular settings.
USCBC and other clergy are annoying me with their weak positions on fighting Satan’s abortions.
Stay out of politics.


19 posted on 08/20/2009 9:56:20 AM PDT by Pastelsbywelz (GOPSenatorialFund,PalinPac)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

That’s exactly what God meant by the “Do not use My Name in vain” commandment.


20 posted on 08/20/2009 9:56:35 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: RED SOUTH
This fellow thought he was a partner in matters of life and death too.

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21 posted on 08/20/2009 9:57:34 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: RED SOUTH
as recorded in Rabbi Jack Moline's and other clerics' Twitter feeds

Now there's a phrase I've never heard in my entire life.
22 posted on 08/20/2009 9:57:36 AM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment
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To: RED SOUTH

God told Obama to take over our health care system.
It’s a faith-based initiative.
/s


23 posted on 08/20/2009 9:58:08 AM PDT by Califelephant
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To: RED SOUTH

So, MARX has been elevated to god hood???????????

The evil that is Obama will not stand....Lucifer always eats his own.


24 posted on 08/20/2009 9:58:16 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: RED SOUTH
How interesting that this past week's sermon in my church was from Acts where a demon possessed woman kept going before the apostles and shouting that these are the men of the true God. Paul couldn't take it anymore after a few days and called the demon out of her.

Can someone do this for our president please?

25 posted on 08/20/2009 9:59:24 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: RED SOUTH

and the tweets referenced at the link have been deleted. how convenient!


26 posted on 08/20/2009 9:59:24 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: RED SOUTH

How long before Obama becomes God at this rate?


27 posted on 08/20/2009 9:59:48 AM PDT by GeronL (Pro-Freedom Fiction Writers Unite! - http://libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: Trod Upon
Render unto Caesar. . .
28 posted on 08/20/2009 10:00:39 AM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: RED SOUTH

I don’t think God sees us as His partners. He is the potter; we are the clay.


29 posted on 08/20/2009 10:00:49 AM PDT by twigs
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To: RED SOUTH
obama: 'We are God's partners in matters of life and death'

Translation: 0bama: "I am not GOD, but I play him in Washington, and I will decide who live and who dies".

30 posted on 08/20/2009 10:01:52 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - No socialist Bureaucrat on a Death Panel is going to decide whether I live or die!)
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To: RED SOUTH
No surprise to me, really... After all back during the election he spoke at a church, and set himself up AS God...


To read the article covering the speech at the church last August & see the video (The quote is at the end of his sermon-like "campaign" speech) at CNN - Obama: GOP doesn't own the faith issue
31 posted on 08/20/2009 10:02:38 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

It’s better than Allah. I don’t believe I would have the nerve to place myself on the same level as God. What an arrogant fool.


32 posted on 08/20/2009 10:02:56 AM PDT by RC2
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To: RED SOUTH
Obama: 'We are God's partners in matters of life and death',

Will you please take the pillow off Grandma's face, oh prideful one.

Didn't Saul Alinsky dedicate his Rules for Radicals to someone who had a similar pride?

33 posted on 08/20/2009 10:04:43 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("I can run wild for six months ...after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Obama-moto)
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To: RED SOUTH

He’s right, but the “WE” is not the federal government, some govt bureaucrat, or an insco actuary. “WE” are individuals and families who must make sometimes difficult decisions, and who may seek wisdom through prayer.

Healthcare reform must work to return responsibility and choice to the individual and the family.


34 posted on 08/20/2009 10:06:22 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Trod Upon

note he regards the Almighty as one of his peers....


35 posted on 08/20/2009 10:12:27 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: RED SOUTH

The big “O” has been making the best arguments against healthcare reform - first comparing the government option to the post office and now admitting that Sarah Palin was right about death panels. Thanks B.O.


36 posted on 08/20/2009 10:15:01 AM PDT by jacjmm
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To: RED SOUTH
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37 posted on 08/20/2009 10:19:08 AM PDT by Iron Munro (America's awkward stage: too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards)
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To: RED SOUTH

Hey Dems,

Keep your laws off my BODY!


38 posted on 08/20/2009 10:20:59 AM PDT by CSM (Business is too big too fail... Government is too big to succeed... I am too small to matter...)
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To: RED SOUTH

What a bullshit statement.


39 posted on 08/20/2009 10:21:23 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: Trod Upon

According to the left, he IS the Deity.


40 posted on 08/20/2009 10:25:12 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: RED SOUTH

Is this a sign that the Jews are accepting Obama as the Messiah? Or will they properly reject his claims to Deity as blasphemy? Obama’s demagoguery now reaches a new high water mark. Will religion continue to accommodate Obama’s claim to Deity? Will the Jews continue to be the government’s partner in matters of life an death? We know that the liberal fascists believe themselves to be God, and to have the right to play God in every aspect of human life, but they rarely admit it so proudly as Obama has done.


41 posted on 08/20/2009 10:25:18 AM PDT by gorilla_warrior (Metrosexual hairless RINOs for hopey-changey bipartisan-ness)
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To: RED SOUTH

a lot of poppycock from a man who voted to kill babies who survive abortions


42 posted on 08/20/2009 10:25:55 AM PDT by Citizen Soldier (Just got up from Bedroomshire)
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To: RED SOUTH

Oh so he is at GOD’s level now eh. What an a$$hole.

I am just waiting for God to smack his butt back to earth. I hope I get to witness THAT!


43 posted on 08/20/2009 10:26:55 AM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: A_Former_Democrat
He quotes God only when it’s politically expedient

Yep, and it's disgusting, because we know he doesn't believe a word of it.

44 posted on 08/20/2009 11:23:37 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: RED SOUTH

Obama’s a Jew now?


45 posted on 08/20/2009 11:25:22 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: RED SOUTH

Wrong god, Obie.


46 posted on 08/20/2009 12:21:12 PM PDT by RoadTest (The Truth shall make you free)
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Spooky stuff coming from Obama right now. Bad timing; bad quote.

He really does have a tin ear.


47 posted on 08/20/2009 1:22:02 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment
If you've never heard the "we are partners" phrase before that's because there is no such passage in the Torah. There is in Kiddushin 30b of the Talmud the statement approximately, "there are three partners in the formation of a person: the Holy One, Blessed be He, his father and his mother. How that morphed into BHO's little mashup with "life and death" I cannot say. I am however, dismayed that a large number of so-called rabbis didn't 1. spot the error and 2. proclaim that far from giving us the power of life and death in health care situations, we are expressly forbidden to cause death. For one discussion, see Rabbi Mordechai Biser's THE NEW IDEOLOGY IN HEALTH CARE AND HOW TO SURVIVE in the Jewish World Review in 2004 /5765. My dismay is magnified by the fact that this "telephone conference" occurred right before Rosh Chodesh Elul, that is the start of the 30 days before Rosh Hashanah. Rather more needs to be said on this, and I hope those with authority do so.
48 posted on 08/21/2009 2:58:05 AM PDT by cycjec
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