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Is The United States In a “Low Grade” Civil War?
Gay Patriot ^ | August 21, 2009 | Gay Patriot

Posted on 08/21/2009 9:47:36 AM PDT by Bratch

It is a chilling question and one that has been troubling me for about two weeks. I read the “low grade civil war” phrase as a declarative statement from a commenter on a news story about the Congressional Town Hall meetings and it has been rattling in my brain ever since.

I’ve been wanting to post about this question and today seemed like the right time since now I’m not the only one worried about this question. In today’s Washington Times, actor/activist Jon Voight makes this statement:

“There’s a real question at stake now. Is President Obama creating a civil war in our own country?” Mr. Voight tells Inside the Beltway.

“We are witnessing a slow, steady takeover of our true freedoms. We are becoming a socialist nation, and whoever can’t see this is probably hoping it isn’t true. If we permit Mr. Obama to take over all our industries, if we permit him to raise our taxes to support unconstitutional causes, then we will be in default. This great America will become a paralyzed nation.”

“Do not let the Obama administration fool you with all their cunning Alinsky methods. And if you don’t know what that method is, I implore you to get the book ‘Rules for Radicals,’ by Saul Alinsky . Mr. Obama is very well trained in these methods.”


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KEYWORDS: civilwar; coldcivilwar; culturewars; obama; voight
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1 posted on 08/21/2009 9:47:36 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

For now...


2 posted on 08/21/2009 9:48:33 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 212 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Bratch

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/21/barack-obamas-administration-kills-a-military-fly-over/

Obama kills 42 year fly-over.


3 posted on 08/21/2009 9:49:27 AM PDT by roses of sharon (It is not actual suffering but a taste of better things which excites people to revolt: Hoffer)
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To: Bratch
What is your definition of war?
4 posted on 08/21/2009 9:49:33 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (Unions are the storm troopers of socialism.)
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To: Bratch

I like the term: Cold Civil War


5 posted on 08/21/2009 9:49:34 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Bratch

Civil War II

www.timebomb2000.com/misc/CWII.pdf


6 posted on 08/21/2009 9:50:14 AM PDT by American Silver Eagle
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To: Bratch

See my tag.


7 posted on 08/21/2009 9:51:13 AM PDT by 444Flyer (FReepers and freedom lovers, we are in a gigantic TUG-OF-WAR for our nation and our Constitution.)
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To: Kartographer

That’s the term I use.


8 posted on 08/21/2009 9:51:16 AM PDT by Huck ("He that lives on hope will die fasting"- Ben Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanac)
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To: Bratch

Related:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2321292/posts


9 posted on 08/21/2009 9:51:17 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Bratch

“Is The United States In a ‘Low Grade’ Civil War?”

No.


10 posted on 08/21/2009 9:51:21 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: American Silver Eagle

Excellent free book for download.

www.timebomb2000.com/misc/CWII.pdf


11 posted on 08/21/2009 9:51:53 AM PDT by American Silver Eagle
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To: Kartographer

Google is showing over a half-million hits for that phrase.


12 posted on 08/21/2009 9:52:43 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: American Silver Eagle

The South will Rise Again.

Look away Dixieland.


13 posted on 08/21/2009 9:54:02 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Kartographer

The reason it’s “cold” is that neither side knows which side the military will support. So, in a perverse manner, it’s the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction.

God help us all if this war gets “hot.”


14 posted on 08/21/2009 9:55:20 AM PDT by RetroSexual
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To: American Silver Eagle

I have recommended this everyone. Bookmark it and read it over and over. It makes more sense as time goes on. Even if you only use it to prepare yourself for the future. Don’t just set it aside, share it with your neighbors. www.timebomb2000.com/misc/CWII.pdf


15 posted on 08/21/2009 9:55:21 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Bratch

1. Soap Box
2. Ballot Box
3. Ammo Box

The first two have been rendered ineffective.


16 posted on 08/21/2009 9:56:10 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Bratch

Obama will either have to back way off or forge ahead with his radical left agenda. The backlash is going to overhelm him. It has to! America is not socialistic and never will be. Radical politicians have worked themselves into the driver seat but the car is running out of gas!


17 posted on 08/21/2009 9:56:33 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: RetroSexual

That is why I am for bringing our National Guard home and return them to the control of the States and not the Feds.


18 posted on 08/21/2009 9:56:40 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Bratch

It’s the same “culture war” that has been going on for 50 plus years or so...


19 posted on 08/21/2009 9:57:00 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Bratch

No, it is not. Just people expressing their with our reps.

This guy needs to get a life.


20 posted on 08/21/2009 9:58:07 AM PDT by texmexis best (uencynd no)
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To: texmexis best

SB “expressing their anger”.


21 posted on 08/21/2009 9:59:11 AM PDT by texmexis best (uencynd no)
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To: Star Traveler

It’s the same “culture war” that has been going on for 50 plus years or so...

I agree....It’s the hippie retreads and Viet Nam antiwar crowd in control but I think a monumental backlash is brewing that will put the final nails in their coffins...


22 posted on 08/21/2009 9:59:46 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Kartographer
I like the term: Cold Civil War

I don't like the term but I use it because .....it's where we are.

23 posted on 08/21/2009 10:01:19 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Bratch

Watching the Town Halls this summer and our President’s continued march toward Socialism, I came to the same conclusion. If so-called health care “reform” passes, the seeds for full-blown Civil War will have been sown, particularly if states begin invoking the Tenth Amendment. Clearly, the Silent Majority has had enough.


24 posted on 08/21/2009 10:01:52 AM PDT by piperpilot
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To: Bratch

Hats off to the gay patriot!


25 posted on 08/21/2009 10:03:04 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: Bratch
Gay Patriot?


26 posted on 08/21/2009 10:03:14 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Obama--First with the worst.)
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To: Bratch

Aren’t we pretty much always in a cold civil war over something?


27 posted on 08/21/2009 10:03:14 AM PDT by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: Bratch

Self-ping.


28 posted on 08/21/2009 10:05:04 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Crazy is the new sane.)
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To: Bratch
People expressing their complete disgust with our present socialist government does not constitute a civil war of any sort.

When productive citizens start capping deadbeats and blood runs in the streets, then you can call it a civil war. I would hope that there's a more peaceable solution though the actions of the leftist thugs of late would indicate otherwise.

29 posted on 08/21/2009 10:05:25 AM PDT by meyer (Do not go gentle into that good night - Rage, rage against the dying of the light.)
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To: RC2

that PDF is blocked due to “racism and hate” filtering on my network. summary?


30 posted on 08/21/2009 10:07:55 AM PDT by weeweed (I was waiting for the perfect screen name....................)
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To: Bratch

As far as I know, no-one has started shooting...yet.


31 posted on 08/21/2009 10:09:33 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Bratch

To my way of thinking we’ve been a cold civil war since 1965.


32 posted on 08/21/2009 10:11:43 AM PDT by Ammo Republic 15
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To: Bratch

How about a “WARM Civil War”


33 posted on 08/21/2009 10:13:39 AM PDT by savage woman
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To: American Silver Eagle

Do you really think that is an excellent book?


34 posted on 08/21/2009 10:14:02 AM PDT by Durus (The People have abdicated our duties and anxiously hopes for just two things, "Bread and Circuses")
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To: Ben Mugged

Conflict.

For years, the liberals have refused to do business with the Republicans but the general public seemed oblivious to the situation. But they’ve suddenly been awakened by the health care debate and they’re ticked off.

I think the term “civil war” is a bit over-the-top but if the status quo remains in place after the 2010 elections, all bets are off.

IMO.


35 posted on 08/21/2009 10:15:38 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

Stupid question. Not even close.


36 posted on 08/21/2009 10:19:54 AM PDT by gdani (I've got a new road under my wheels)
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To: Bratch

The states are in a cold war against the federal government.


37 posted on 08/21/2009 10:25:25 AM PDT by taxtruth (Americans are being sold a load of cow plop!)
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To: null and void

With the Weedership pushing as hard as they are, they are likely to meet the goal, it won’t be lowkey much longer.


38 posted on 08/21/2009 10:25:28 AM PDT by Freddd (Government run health care=paying more and being denied what we already have.)
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To: Durus

Absolutely. Post #15 thinks so as well. I read the whole book in one sitting.

Civil War II

http://www.timebomb2000.com/misc/CWII.pdf


39 posted on 08/21/2009 10:27:09 AM PDT by American Silver Eagle
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To: RetroSexual
With the Second Ammendment and 250,000,000 fire arms in the hands of patriots it doesn’t matter what the US mercenary force does in the long run.
40 posted on 08/21/2009 10:30:24 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: Freddd

Weedership? Do you mean the guy in the Whine House, or the Public Serpents in general?


41 posted on 08/21/2009 10:31:39 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 212 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Bratch

this is a case of the government turning on we the people.


42 posted on 08/21/2009 10:32:09 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Durus

Here’s a perfect example of what this book is about.

Hispanic Group Attacks Obamacare Protesters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mslFPmo5Owc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethebigfeedblog%2Ecom%2F2009%2F08%2Fracist%2Dhispanic%2Dgroup%2Dattacks%2Dobamacare%2Ehtml&feature=player_embedded


43 posted on 08/21/2009 10:32:24 AM PDT by American Silver Eagle
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To: American Silver Eagle

Isn’t that Thomas Chittum’s website? IIRC I read that CWII back in the late 90’s.


44 posted on 08/21/2009 10:32:36 AM PDT by Ammo Republic 15
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To: Ammo Republic 15

It is his book. I didn’t realize he had a website.


45 posted on 08/21/2009 10:34:14 AM PDT by American Silver Eagle
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To: Tublecane

Bump that.

The answer is “NO”.

Someone doesn’t understand the term “civil war”.
We’re not even in a “cold civil war” because there isn’t a real “civil war” being restrained.

In the Cold War, we were always just 1 hour from full-on WWIII going “hot”, held back only because the heat would singe both sides horribly. It ended only because one side couldn’t keep up with the escalation of threats.

Nobody here has gone “hot”. Nobody is threatening to. It’s a future possibility if things keep going this way, but we’re sure not there yet.

Gettin’ tired of all this hyperbolic rhetoric.


46 posted on 08/21/2009 10:34:42 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (flag@whitehouse.gov may bounce messages but copies may be kept. Informants are still solicited.)
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To: Ammo Republic 15

What did you think of the book?


47 posted on 08/21/2009 10:34:45 AM PDT by American Silver Eagle
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To: American Silver Eagle

I don’t know if he still does but I definitely remember back during the Clinton years he had one.


48 posted on 08/21/2009 10:38:29 AM PDT by Ammo Republic 15
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To: American Silver Eagle

We are not in a low grade Civil War. So, readers, just relax, keep buying guns, ammo and provision while the opposition keeps looking to Obama for handouts.

When the real war starts, it won’t be hard to subdue the lazy opportunists who voted this chump in. At the same time,we might clean up the street raf that victimize people by preying on the peaceful.


49 posted on 08/21/2009 10:40:23 AM PDT by johnnycap
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To: American Silver Eagle

Loved it! Meaning, of course, that I was pretty much in aggreement with what he was saying. I’m gonna go back later on tonight and refresh my memory on the CWII link you provided.


50 posted on 08/21/2009 10:40:38 AM PDT by Ammo Republic 15
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