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DeMint And Bachmann Call On States To Collectively Fight ObamaCare If Passed
TPM ^ | 8/21/09 | Eric Kleefield

Posted on 08/21/2009 10:18:56 AM PDT by pissant

Here's another fun detail from last night's Americans For Prosperity teletown hall, which featured Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) and Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN). Both politicians said that if a health care bill passes, it should be actively fought and resisted through a collective effort of conservative governors.

A caller asked DeMint what the states could do in order to stop unconstitutional action by the federal government on health care. DeMint replied, "I think the key to pushing back against the federal government is some governors and state legislators who champion individual freedom."

DeMint said he would love to see states go to court to invoke the Tenth Amendment: "If we had some states come together and say the only way to save this country is to push back." He also added: "I think you'll see some states say no more, we're not going down with the federal government."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: 111th; jimdemint; larrysinclairslover; michelebachmann; obamacare
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Two of the best we've got.
1 posted on 08/21/2009 10:18:57 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Wouldn’t these two be a good ticket?

dream on I guess


2 posted on 08/21/2009 10:21:35 AM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: pissant

That 10th amendment sure does come in handy when you need it.


3 posted on 08/21/2009 10:22:15 AM PDT by taxtruth (Americans are being sold a load of cow plop!)
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To: pissant

I just read up on Bachmann for the first time. A winner! Don’t forget Darrell Issa, who is almost singlehandedly trying to take down ACORN.


4 posted on 08/21/2009 10:23:05 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: pissant

Is the GOP in Congress giving up on this fight? Sounds like they think the Democrats can pass this sucker


5 posted on 08/21/2009 10:23:33 AM PDT by GeronL (Pro-Freedom Fiction Writers Unite! - http://libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: pissant

Good!

I’m afraid he’s going to get it through somehow, and we need to be planning our resistance NOW.


6 posted on 08/21/2009 10:23:40 AM PDT by livius
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To: GeronL

The Dems can pass it without the GOP. There are a few Dem hold-outs, though, who don’t like it. Emmanuel is going to do a procedural end-run around them.


7 posted on 08/21/2009 10:24:46 AM PDT by livius
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To: taxtruth

Obama has no idea what’s coming his way when states invoke their rights.


8 posted on 08/21/2009 10:24:50 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: rintense

He will cut off the Fedral Money and they will fall in to Lockstep. They can not print it. He can.


9 posted on 08/21/2009 10:26:15 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: silverleaf

I don’t think they have to go to court to invoke the 10th amendment. In theory the SCOTUS is just there to interpret the law not enforce it. Kinda of like when Jeb Bush threatened but did not deliver on a promise with Terry Schiavo to block any law enforcement from going near her. The courts can blather on all day long but at the end of the day are powerless to enforce any law, they have to have the executive branch do that. I remember the law enforcement guys in Tampa saying they did not answer to the Supreme Court of Florida and would do nothing at their bidding.


10 posted on 08/21/2009 10:27:04 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: screaminsunshine

Then the state cuts off all taxes to the feds. The feds will not win in this.


11 posted on 08/21/2009 10:27:12 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: taxtruth
That 10th amendment sure does come in handy when you need it.

So does all the Federal Money that the states eat at the pig troth known as the federal reserve printing presses. I personally think that all this sudden 10th Amendment religion is all hot air until states start refusing federal money.

12 posted on 08/21/2009 10:28:15 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (Proud Member of the DHS radical list since Jan 20, 2009)
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To: pissant
If passed ??????it is unconstitutional !! They can stuff it all thousand plus pages where the sun does not shine.
13 posted on 08/21/2009 10:28:53 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: livius
>>> I’m afraid he’s going to get it through somehow, and we need to be planning our resistance NOW. <<<

I wrote my two Senators [WA -D's Murray and Cantwell] and said that if it passes I will do everything in my power to circumvent its provisions.

I also included that I would donate unprecidented amounts [for me] to their opponents if they voted for ObamaCare.

14 posted on 08/21/2009 10:29:31 AM PDT by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: pissant
Hey cutie... if you're interested I posted a summation of the tele-town hall here.
15 posted on 08/21/2009 10:30:06 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
I hear her now and then on a variety of AM, but am new to Bachman as of the last year or two.

She's intelligent, quick and punches back!

16 posted on 08/21/2009 10:30:08 AM PDT by incredulous joe ("Live Free or Fight")
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To: screaminsunshine

The states can cut off the money they collect for the Federal government.

Just step away and tell them they have to collect it themselves.


17 posted on 08/21/2009 10:32:44 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Palin shrugged.)
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To: rintense

Yep, and that’s what would force one side to pause or act aggressively.


18 posted on 08/21/2009 10:36:26 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: mrmeyer

If Obama were to send federal troops to a state, he’d be met by the state national guard as well as militia. Federal troops will not fire on their own citizens in this country, trust me. It would have to be Obama’s civilian defense force, and they would get clobbered.


19 posted on 08/21/2009 10:38:44 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: AnnaZ

Thanks Anna Z!


20 posted on 08/21/2009 10:43:08 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: pissant

It is becoming more and more obvious that this guy (odumbo) is leading us to a war within the United States. He may be looking for control but he might as well be trying to put a leash on a grizzly.


21 posted on 08/21/2009 10:43:12 AM PDT by mkcc30 (Their lying tongues will become their nooses.)
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To: rintense

“Federal troops will not fire on their own citizens in this country, trust me. It would have to be Obama’s civilian defense force, and they would get clobbered.”

80 million Americans with some 400 million guns with ammo trumps 4 aces ;-)


22 posted on 08/21/2009 10:44:53 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: AnnaZ

You rock as usual!


23 posted on 08/21/2009 10:45:24 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: incredulous joe

Agreed. Looking forward to hearing her speak.


24 posted on 08/21/2009 10:46:41 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: pissant
Now we're talkin. The states need to make clear declarations as to precisely what is acceptable and unacceptable by the federal government. The libs will always be able to find a Constitutional justification for any program, so the 10th Amendment is meaningless unless the states fight against the encroachments.
25 posted on 08/21/2009 10:51:00 AM PDT by Perchant
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To: rintense
"DeMint And Bachmann Call On States To Collectively Fight ObamaCare If Passed"

"Obama has no idea what’s coming his way when states invoke their rights."

I agree with you. It would hold up implementation of the legislation for years and keep the matter on the front burner. I can envision at least 20 states joining in.

The GOP would probably win back both the House AND the Senate in 2010. There is no way that high black and liberal turnout would exceed the angry American traditionalists in flyover country. I expect that even in lib states like California and New York, the GOP would win statewide races.

When a Dem leader talks about post-partisanship, he'd better mean it. [Obama's talk was always all bullsh-t.] Americans are not lemming-like Germans or Brits. We are the only nation in the world where the voters will look at a politician and tell him, "you work for us!"

Frankly, I'm relieved. But after a mere six months of Obama, a holy indignation awoke the nation. Give the libs there one and only stimulus -- at least they will have done no permanent damage to the nation.

26 posted on 08/21/2009 10:55:17 AM PDT by tom h
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To: livius

From what I’m hearing, the House can pass it, but the Senate probably won’t.


27 posted on 08/21/2009 11:01:51 AM PDT by twigs
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To: incredulous joe

She’s on a lot on Bill Bennett’s morning radio show. She’s one of his favorites.


28 posted on 08/21/2009 11:04:02 AM PDT by twigs
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To: rintense

Times like this make me wish that the FEDGOV could only tax the states and not individuals.


29 posted on 08/21/2009 11:05:54 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Kenya? Kenya? Kenya just show us the birth certificate?)
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To: pissant
I forget the exact details, but I believe there is legislation currently moving thru our Arizona legislature. Personally, I'd love to see a "war" between the independent states and the Feds.

The Feds would lose with a whimper.

30 posted on 08/21/2009 11:06:17 AM PDT by kromike
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To: pissant
I'm all for it. Here's the tee shirt...


31 posted on 08/21/2009 11:06:27 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Nepolean fries the idea powder)
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To: pburgh01; screaminsunshine
"The courts can blather on all day long but at the end of the day are powerless to enforce any law, they have to have the executive branch do that."

"[Obama] will cut off the Fedral Money and [the states] will fall in lockstep. They can not print it. He can."

Methinks you both need a refresher course on American History. The only, and most effective, way to block the law would be through federal courts. All it would take is one Federal District judge, suitably chosen, to suspend the law pending constitutional review. The injunction would prohibit either party from proceeding without additional review.

If Obama attempted something punitive, like punishing the claimant states, the judge could literally fine the Gov't and direct the behavior to stop. THAT is the kind of publicity that even Obama doesn't want. The judge could even hold the Cabinet members, and the President, in contempt of court.

So forgive my bluntness, but you're both wrong. The Terry Schiavo incident is not relevant here, but socialized medicine is.

Just read Wikipedia's entry on Marbury v Madison as a start. Believe it or not, a single judge can stop the entire US Government from proceeding with an unconstitutional act. In theory, that judge can also command US Marshalls to enforce his verdicts in defiance of the US Government. This is all pretty fundamental to our nation and the fact that "We the People" is the ruling principle.

32 posted on 08/21/2009 11:06:30 AM PDT by tom h
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To: rintense

I don’t think he understands the ramifications of his plan - but he IS intentionally fomenting a violent confrontation between the elitists and the individualists.

He’s looking for an excuse to use the power of the state to punish his ideological opponents, which just happens to exclude people of his own skin color.

Ooops! Did I just imply 0bama wants a race war with the government being used to kill whitey? Didn’t mean to imply that at all!


33 posted on 08/21/2009 11:08:44 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Eagle Eye

Well, in escalation, the state would collect the fed tax and use it at the state level to offset the negation of federal funding. The state would likely get more money this way anyhow.


34 posted on 08/21/2009 11:09:10 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: Perchant

Just wait until some federal court rules against a state and that state thumbs its nose at the ruling.

That’s when the SHTF.


35 posted on 08/21/2009 11:10:24 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
LOL. You're welcome. (Long time no see... =)
36 posted on 08/21/2009 11:11:56 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
This video introduced me to Bachmann. She's brave & fearless. Awesome!

We now have a total gangster gov't

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thR-lVuztIY

37 posted on 08/21/2009 11:16:56 AM PDT by Beloved Levinite (I have a new name for the occupier of The Oval Office: KING FRAUD! (pronounced King "Faa-raud"))
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To: rintense
xo!
38 posted on 08/21/2009 11:18:59 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: tom h

tom, you sound pretty knowledgable. How do we address The Kenyan’s growing list of “Czars” (51 now) that are unaccountable to The People & can claim Executive Privelidge when challenged in court? This is a very dangerous situation, not knowing what they are up to, behind closed doors.


39 posted on 08/21/2009 11:30:14 AM PDT by Beloved Levinite (I have a new name for the occupier of The Oval Office: KING FRAUD! (pronounced King "Faa-raud"))
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To: tom h

Sure then why has not one done it.


40 posted on 08/21/2009 11:58:07 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Crist is a RINO and whoever replaces him will be a RINO too. Maybe Idaho or Wyoming. Or surprise..Hawaii.


41 posted on 08/21/2009 12:05:45 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: tom h

So Rick Perry of Texaas must be nuts also. I mean if some guy on the internet says it’s hopeless it must be /sarcasm. We could go into your ignorance on basic civics and the separation of powers but I guess you need to point me to the SCOTUS Police Force website. I thought so.


42 posted on 08/21/2009 12:08:39 PM PDT by pburgh01
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To: screaminsunshine

You need to pass the legislation first. One can’t sue in federal court without “standing,” and that means you suffered or will suffer injury; and that the law is currently in place, not future.

It has already happened regarding gun control. During the Clinton years the Congress passed a bill limiting the possession of guns nearby public schools. Another dumb liberal law that would have no impact on safety; meaning, if a bad guy wanted to murder children he would not be deterred because a sign said it was illegal. It passed anyway. But the SCOTUS struck it down citing the Tenth Amendment.

So we have hope.


43 posted on 08/21/2009 12:14:07 PM PDT by tom h
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To: Beloved Levinite

Actually, I’m not an attorney, just a technical man with a love of American history.

Unfortunately, the executive branch is pretty independent under our Constitution so the Congress (one of the independent branches of our government) and the Federal judiciary (another independent branch of our government) would have a tough time stopping the mere appointment of czars — by definition, they are an extension of the executive. I think about all Congress could do is throttle back on the funding for the Executive Branch — of course, that would need a GOP legislature. Meaning, if the Congress is willing to fund it, then the POTUS could have a bevy of advisors, or czars, for every purpose under the sun. They would have not statutory authority, but they could talk and write and issue their stupid opinions the whole day long.

But recall that Executive Privilege is not absolute — remember back to HillaryCare in 1994. Not sure if I recall why.

Our best course of action is, naturally, the Second Amendment. Free speech and the media. Hammer the Administration to be “transparent” like he promised. Protest with placards outside the White House. Keep AM talk show hosts riled up and excited. In the end, that is the citizen’s best protection against executive abuses. Free speech, free media, and an honest (hopefully) judiciary. [Note, I do not include liberals like Ruth Bader Ginsburg in that category.]


44 posted on 08/21/2009 12:21:00 PM PDT by tom h
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To: pissant

The MSM and liberal blogosphere will continue to mock them as loonies, and possibly racists. Simultaneously, they will applaud state and local ignorance of federal drug and immigration laws.


45 posted on 08/21/2009 12:21:29 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: pburgh01

Be more careful in your reading. I think we are in agreement. I was telling the other two to have hope; they were both lamenting about hopelessness.


46 posted on 08/21/2009 12:23:31 PM PDT by tom h
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A lot of you may be surprised to find that our new governor, Sean Parnell, is even more conservative than Sarah. I have high hopes. The population of Alaska is, to a large extent, anti-federal govenment. I think we would be willing to join any sort of legal challenge to this farce.


47 posted on 08/21/2009 12:23:57 PM PDT by white17x
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To: tom h

“If Obama attempted something punitive, like punishing the claimant states, the judge could literally fine the Gov’t and direct the behavior to stop. THAT is the kind of publicity that even Obama doesn’t want. The judge could even hold the Cabinet members, and the President, in contempt of court”

All Obama has to do is threaten to withold money. That would be enough, in my opinion. State governments have very little backbone.


48 posted on 08/21/2009 12:25:27 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

Well, I understand your point given that you’re from Minnesota, where hearts bleed and pansies reign. Not you, of course — but it never ceases to amaze me how people of Nordic stock — tremendous common sense, other great cultural attributes — can be so loopy sometimes.


49 posted on 08/21/2009 12:39:46 PM PDT by tom h
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To: tom h

Thanks tom. They’ll be going hard after talk radio soon. The new “brother” that 0 appointed to the FCC will see to it. We gotta push back HARD when that one rears it’s ugly head.


50 posted on 08/21/2009 3:34:49 PM PDT by Beloved Levinite (I have a new name for the occupier of The Oval Office: KING FRAUD! (pronounced King "Faa-raud"))
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