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Calley Apologizes for My Lai
MSNBC.com ^ | 08/21/09 | staff

Posted on 08/21/2009 7:47:30 PM PDT by grandpa jones

COLUMBUS, Ga. - Speaking in a soft, sometimes labored voice, the only U.S. Army officer convicted in the 1968 slayings of Vietnamese civilians at My Lai made an extraordinary public apology while speaking to a small group near the military base where he was court-martialed

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1 posted on 08/21/2009 7:47:31 PM PDT by grandpa jones
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To: grandpa jones

Medina was just as guilty as he was.


2 posted on 08/21/2009 7:51:59 PM PDT by U S Army EOD
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To: grandpa jones

Oh Oh. I smell an MSNBC post. Must we foul the air here?


3 posted on 08/21/2009 7:52:26 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: grandpa jones
what a mistake, he has nothing to apologize for!
4 posted on 08/21/2009 7:53:37 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: grandpa jones

I’ve never heard the whole story. Was the village harboring VC? I would hazard a guess that that would be the case.


5 posted on 08/21/2009 7:53:50 PM PDT by Judges Gone Wild (Who is this uncircumcised, to oppose the armies of The Living God?)
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To: grandpa jones
why? whats the motive?? to cleanse his soul???
6 posted on 08/21/2009 7:55:19 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: grandpa jones

I guess he figured, everybody else is apologizing, he might as well do it too.

“Everybody wants to get into the act!” - Jimmy Durante


7 posted on 08/21/2009 7:55:41 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (January 20th, 2013)
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To: grandpa jones

did the viet cong ever apologize for the hanoi hilton?? how about the tet offensive??


8 posted on 08/21/2009 7:57:04 PM PDT by lonster
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To: FlingWingFlyer
“Everybody wants to get into the act!” - Jimmy Durante

an epidemic of capitulation.

9 posted on 08/21/2009 7:58:55 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (this slope is getting slippereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...)
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To: dalereed
Apparently, we have come to totally misunderstand the reasons, meaning and mechanisms of war in this country.

God help us.

10 posted on 08/21/2009 7:58:56 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: grandpa jones

i guess a lot of usaf and raf pilots and bombadeers have a lot to apologize for because of their bombing raids in WWII. /sarc>


11 posted on 08/21/2009 7:58:59 PM PDT by robomatik
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To: elkfersupper

I certainly agree with that.


12 posted on 08/21/2009 8:08:22 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: All; elkfersupper; fatima; do the dhue; Landru

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NEVER FORGET

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The one thing The LOVE Itself needs more of in this world is...
...more LOVE.

And that only comes when people are...
...FREE..!!!

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Thus those who so selflessly fight to make it so around this world are putting a broad smile on GOD’s Face in the process:

MEL’s -PASSION- sparked by -WE WERE SOLDIERS-

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1085111/posts

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NEVER FORGET

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13 posted on 08/21/2009 8:14:11 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: lonster
how about the tet offensive??

We kicked their butts so bad during Tet, their only apology would be to their own militia. JMHO

14 posted on 08/21/2009 8:18:48 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama? Not so much.)
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To: grandpa jones
Do you think Teddy the Fish will follow the example?

I am betting "no."

15 posted on 08/21/2009 8:23:27 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: All; lonster

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NEVER FORGET

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Communists now in control of everything in a once FREE South Vietnam really do have much to answer for after the FALL of FREEDOM there, known as the FALL of SAIGON.

For then came a most horrid holocaust for millions of poor S.E. Asian souls:

JOURNEY from the FALL

http://www.JourneyFromTheFall.com

Pictues of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

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And it can all happen right HERE in a still FREE America..!!!

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NEVER FORGET

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16 posted on 08/21/2009 8:29:26 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: All

Nothing to apologize for??? RAF pilots should apologize too??? These weren’t villagers killed as a consequence of a bombing run or side casualties of a firefight. In fact not a single shot was fired at the US troops who butchered over 500 old men, women, and children. Many were sexually abused. Did the RAF jump out of their planes to GANG RAPE the people they were bombing? Did they carve “RAF” into peoples bodies?

Over 120 US soldiers were brave enough to say “SCREW YOU” to the sick bastards carrying this out and they refused to participate. Sadly only 3 did anything to stop it-landing their helicopter “in the line of fire between American ground troops and fleeing Vietnamese civilians to prevent their murder”.

The actions of these murderers dishonored all the men who served their country with honor on the battlefields of Southeast Asia.


17 posted on 08/21/2009 8:31:34 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: dalereed
what a mistake, he has nothing to apologize for!

He should have been executed.

18 posted on 08/21/2009 8:32:43 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: icwhatudo

19 posted on 08/21/2009 8:33:04 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: U S Army EOD
Medina was just as guilty as he was.

As was LTC Barker, who was called to account at a higher court before it all hit the fan. (He died in battle elsewhere.)

At the time I asked our battalion S-4 why Calley had taken the fall alone, and he explained, "Lieutenant, in the military, shit always flows downhill." I never forgot that.

20 posted on 08/21/2009 8:35:53 PM PDT by Publius (Conservatives aren't always right. We're just right most of the time.)
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To: Strategerist

He did nothing wrong in fact he did everything right.

Leaflets were airdroped prior and anything that moved was to be killed.

An employee of mine was leading a platoon at nother city at the same time under the same criteria and just as Mi lai, they killed everything that moved, men women, childern, and animals!


21 posted on 08/21/2009 8:38:13 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed

Lt. Calley was not convicted for losing conrol of his men at My Lai.

He was convicted of personally killing twenty-two civilians with his own weapon.

Should others have been convicted with him? Of course. But Calley was not an isolated scapegoat.

Go figure: The warrant officer helicopter pilot who interposed his aircraft between the remaining civilians and the Americal Division grunts is celebrated as a hero at the U.S. Army JAG school, even as it is well known that he was universally hated at the time for doing so.

Me, I flew helicopters in RVN 1971-72. Thank G-d I wasn’t a part of this.


22 posted on 08/21/2009 8:48:45 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My bullets are dipped in pig grease!")
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To: grandpa jones
I was stationed in Viet Nam at the time the My Lai story broke. There were daily articles about the investigation and hearings in the Stars and Stripes newspaper which was available daily where we were. Stars and Stripes is a private-sector publication and didn't censor the stories.

MSNBC's story was of course slanted (What else is new?). They left out the most important details. As I remember it, there were four hamlets which were collectively known as Pinkville because of the strong Viet Cong presence. Army troops had undergone heavy fire from these supposed peaceful villages. Calley, a 2nd Lieutenant in the infantry,was ordered by his commander, Capt. Ernest Medina, to basically kill everyone in Pinkville #4 village, and he directed his men to do so. This order apparently originated at the general officer level.

The "My Lai Massacre" did not become public knowledge until one Ron Ridenour, an enlisted man, wrote letters to a number of high-up government officials asserting that there had been a massacre. Ridenour also provided pictures.

In the subsequent investigation, Medina denied that he had given such an order until his request to leave the service was approved. He then immediately changed his story to say that he had given the order. Bastard! Of course, Medina wasn't punished, just Calley.

The military prosecutor in the case came up with a unique theory -- that military personnel did not have to obey an "illegal" order from their superiors. I don't know if this nonsense is still in effect in our military.
23 posted on 08/21/2009 8:50:23 PM PDT by normanpubbie
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To: grandpa jones

ping


24 posted on 08/21/2009 8:51:38 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (Charter member of "The Kodiak Wing of the GOP" (h/t Jeff Head))
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To: icwhatudo
The actions of these murderers dishonored all the men who served their country with honor on the battlefields of Southeast Asia.

Agree. Well said.

25 posted on 08/21/2009 8:52:29 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: elcid1970

They should have given him a medal for killing the so called civilians!

The interveining chopper pilot was the one that was wrong.

Kids be damned!

A good friend of mine was killed in Korea because he was stupid enough to let a little kid approach him with a paper bag asking for candy and the kid knifed him with a knife in the bag.

his buddie killed the kid but to late!


26 posted on 08/21/2009 8:54:31 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: icwhatudo
Many were sexually abused.

You're a liar.

27 posted on 08/21/2009 8:54:56 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Publius

With regulations in hand, sh*t rolls uphill pretty well, too!


28 posted on 08/21/2009 8:55:13 PM PDT by dersepp (I am an Angry, Brooks Bros. Mob of One)
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To: All; lonster; Coleus; fatima; reformjoy; conservogirl; Kathy in Alaska; Alamo-Girl; PhilDragoo; ...

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NEVER FORGET

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Communists now in control of everything in a once FREE South Vietnam really do have much to answer for after the FALL of FREEDOM there, otherwise known as the FALL of SAIGON.

For then a most horrid holocaust came crashing down on millions of poor S.E. Asian souls:

JOURNEY from the FALL

http://www.JourneyFromTheFall.com

Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

.

And it got worse:

Prominent Vietnamese Pastor Flees Encircled home, then Jailed, Wife Beaten

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2304032/posts

Montagnard cause grows desperate—Stop New Vietnam War: Attacks on Catholic Priests!

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306750/posts

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All things we soldiers fought so selflessly to prevent from happening so very long ago:

They are still soldiers

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66978

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NEVER FORGET

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29 posted on 08/21/2009 8:55:15 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: normanpubbie
The military prosecutor in the case came up with a unique theory -- that military personnel did not have to obey an "illegal" order from their superiors. I don't know if this nonsense is still in effect in our military.

You don't have to obey an illegal order. In fact, it's your duty not to obey such an order.

Speaking from experience, if my CO had ordered me to slaughter an entire Iraqi village b/c we'd received fire from it, I'd have told him to pound sand.

Such orders are unconscionable and beneath the honor of the military. An experienced infantryman should've known better.

30 posted on 08/21/2009 8:57:28 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: normanpubbie
The military prosecutor in the case came up with a unique theory -- that military personnel did not have to obey an "illegal" order from their superiors. I don't know if this nonsense is still in effect in our military.

You are absolutely right about Medina's guilt, as well as his perfidy.

However, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not with your last line (quoted above). You might recall a little event called the Nuremburg Trials? It was the civilized world's contention (as well as the U.S. Military), that indeed, "military personnel did not have to obey an "illegal" order from their superiors," and in fact were bound not to.

Despite the hideous realities of war, being in the U.S. military has never established a justification for murder or rape or crimes against humanity - and I sure as hell hope this is still the case, and never changes.

Not even Patton would condone My Lai.

31 posted on 08/21/2009 9:00:17 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


32 posted on 08/21/2009 9:02:15 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: grandpa jones

If you are trolling for miscreants, your effort has not been in vain. ;-)


33 posted on 08/21/2009 9:03:08 PM PDT by verity
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To: normanpubbie
"The military prosecutor in the case came up with a unique theory -- that military personnel did not have to obey an "illegal" order from their superiors."

The theory is unique and old. Note the Jap and Nazi war criminals were hung after their defense of "just following orders" was rejected as rubbish.

34 posted on 08/21/2009 9:12:35 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: onedoug

ping


35 posted on 08/21/2009 9:16:33 PM PDT by stylecouncilor (What Would Jim Thompson Do?)
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To: Judges Gone Wild

A Marine friend of mine says that many of the villages harbored VC but also the people were hostile. He said that it happened often that they would be ordered to fly supplies into villages that had been cut off by the fighting. They’d drop the lifesaving aid and as soon as they were back in the helicoptor they were being shot at.

I don’t know about Calley’s circumstances because all I got at the time was MSM news.


36 posted on 08/21/2009 9:21:29 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: dalereed

“Leaflets were airdroped prior and anything that moved was to be killed.”

So a bunch of women and children sitting in a ditch, under guard...that constitutes “movement” and you have no problem with Calley coming over and killing these people? Even a 2 year old?


37 posted on 08/21/2009 9:31:56 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: icwhatudo

“So a bunch of women and children sitting in a ditch, under guard...that constitutes “movement” and you have no problem with Calley coming over and killing these people? Even a 2 year old?”

Not at all.


38 posted on 08/21/2009 9:33:41 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: doc1019

Tell that to the 5,000 civilians, give or take, they murdered in Hue and other places during Tet.


39 posted on 08/21/2009 9:43:14 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: grandpa jones
Wow! A person really can get away with murder!
40 posted on 08/21/2009 9:46:26 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Lancey Howard

???

The Peers summary mentions the rapes.

Calley even mentioned in his testimony that he had to stop a soldier from molesting a girl.

The “Findings” section of the Peers report mentions rape and sodomy.

Do you have first hand knowledge that Calley and General Peers were lying or are you just so determined that Americans can do no wrong that anyone who says they did is a liar?


41 posted on 08/21/2009 9:46:33 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: dalereed

How I pity you.


42 posted on 08/21/2009 9:49:00 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: icwhatudo

You said, “Many were sexually abused.”
Within the context of your entire damning post “many” sounds like more than a few isolated incidents.


43 posted on 08/21/2009 9:50:44 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: PzLdr

I was more worried about my butt during those days. However, I believe we won that one despite civilian losses and despite what Uncle Walter fed to the American public in his newscasts.


44 posted on 08/21/2009 9:50:49 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama? Not so much.)
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To: PzLdr
Tell that to the 5,000 civilians, give or take, they murdered in Hue and other places during Tet.

That would be a lazy Sunday afternoon for Pol Pot.

45 posted on 08/21/2009 9:53:37 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: All; grandpa jones; mdcrandall; Boston

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Another interesting discussion:

My Lai Massacre convict Calley apologizes

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1290285

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46 posted on 08/21/2009 9:58:52 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE; devolve; MeekOneGOP; BOBTHENAILER; Lancey Howard
Interesting.

The general's line in Platoon (1988) "If I find out there has been an illegal killing there WILL be a court martial" proved to be the case.

Johnson's dismissal (The Day It Became The Longest War) of the Joint Chiefs November 1965 request to bomb Hanoi and mine Haiphong made defeat certain.

Cronkite's treacherous lie that Tet was an enemy victory qualifies him for a seat up close at Satan's campfire.

John Kerry's and Ted Kennedy's contribution to the betrayal of the South and the ensuing tens of thousands murdered there and the two million in Cambodia gives the Left no room to criticize Calley.

The president has continued to allow the Holocaust denier to murder 700 to cement his stolen election and to buy time for the nuclear weapon with which to erase the Zionist entity and destroy the Great Satan.

A great deal was made of the four killed at Kent State while there is no remembrance of the 2,000 killed in the 130 locations dubbed the "Tiananmen Massacre".

We mustn't offend our debtors, though they have run up a score circa sixty million murdered.

Surely we will hear from Bill Ayers (eliminate 25 million to cement the revolution) the conscience of the Obama regime.

Meanwhile the Marines have been persecuted by the corrupt John Murtha and the enemy assets of al-Jazeera, the ambitious and the unscrupulous who are instituting the ROEs in Afghanistan.

The world remains a place where rough men on the razor's edge provide us our broad boulevard from which to demonize their decisions.

Calley knows he alone carries his consequences and will bear a judgment passing our understanding.

Here comes a car up to the gate, the driver fumbles for the detona

47 posted on 08/21/2009 10:19:50 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: doc1019
the whole thing was an act of deceit.
48 posted on 08/21/2009 10:36:13 PM PDT by lonster
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To: PhilDragoo

...tor !!!


49 posted on 08/21/2009 10:36:45 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: MeekOneGOP
Split second stuff. Then it's all a moonscape. . .with body parts (here's the bomber's torso, or head, an arm).

And decision-making must continue, despite the ever-increasing sense that actions will be second-guessed and prosecuted.

Tony Lake had FBI agents bring back CIA agent Bob Baer for questioning on a charge of attempted assassination of Saddam Hussein.

Baer was on the trail of the bomber of the Beirut Embassy in 1983 which killed sixty-some.

Obama went with the release of the Lockerbie bomber.

It's not appeasement; it's treason: weak horse, strong horse--and the guy's a Muslim.

Interesting times. Gooks in the wire.

50 posted on 08/21/2009 10:45:38 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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