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NH customers asked to cover tab for clunkers
Union Leader ^ | Aug. 21, 2009 | TRENT SPINER AND MARK HAYWARD

Posted on 08/22/2009 12:30:26 PM PDT by george76

Frustrated with delays, rejections and computer-system crashes, several New Hampshire auto dealers are making car buyers pledge to cover rebates if the federal government doesn't come through with checks under the Cash for Clunkers program.

Auto dealers say they are doing so because the federal government is a clunker when it comes to sending out rebate checks of $3,500 or $4,500 per car.

The New Hampshire Auto Dealers Association created the draft agreement earlier this month and sent it to members, said President Peter McNamara.

Some dealers aren't using the agreement. Others are negotiating the agreement into the deal. McNamara said dealers are having problems getting rebates from the federal government, despite a law that requires any rebate application to be answered within 10 days.

At Bonneville & Son in Manchester, the company has not received a single rebate, despite the 70 Cash for Clunker deals it signed since late July. Manchester Subaru has had one of 25 rebates approved.

For some dealers, the IOUs surpass $500,000, McNamara said. "For any dealer, $100,000 represents a serious cash-flow issue if you don't know when it's going to come in,"

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhodot; cash; cashforclunker; cashforclunkers; clunkers; dealerships; lping
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1 posted on 08/22/2009 12:30:26 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

The Feds and this current Administration stepped in it ‘BIG’ this time.

Promising more than could ever deliver and buying an election. When will people ever wake-up!


2 posted on 08/22/2009 12:32:37 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: george76
The government has problems paying and collecting payment. That's why they have IRS ~ to do all the collecting.

Our current regime is of the misimpression that it's actually a trivial matter for government agencies to spend money.

Only thing good to come out of this is a lesson to the public ~ government is a deadbeat.

3 posted on 08/22/2009 12:34:08 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: george76

The customer gets slammed from every direction.


4 posted on 08/22/2009 12:34:13 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: george76

As far as I can see, the media is presenting this program as a huge success. I must be missing something — as far as I can see, it’s an epic fail.


5 posted on 08/22/2009 12:34:46 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: george76
Most perfect example of the old bait and switch.

This was all for the banks to get more consumption loans green shooted (using tax $'y as fertilizer).

I hope they learned their lesson.

Dealing with the Gov. is a carney game.

Unless your really deparate or stupid , don't do it.

6 posted on 08/22/2009 12:36:40 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: george76

These dealers thought this was the greatest thing since sliced bread before.
Now they are crying because the Federal Government is not paying up?
The FederalGovernment is BROKE.
Add to that incopmpetent, incapable and corrupt.
These dealers will be lucky to ever see a cent.
Don’t feelone bit sorry for them


7 posted on 08/22/2009 12:38:30 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Proud to have made Communist Leader Obama's hit list at flag@whitehouse.gov)
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To: george76

wasn’t Obama going to put gas in our tanks too?


8 posted on 08/22/2009 12:40:01 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: george76

“Auto dealers say they are doing so because the federal government is a clunker when it comes to sending out rebate checks of $3,500 or $4,500 per car”

Gee why don’t we allow the Federal Government to be in charge of our health care?
When your hospital doesn’t get paid or your doctor doesn’t get paid, see how good your treatment is then............


9 posted on 08/22/2009 12:40:44 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Proud to have made Communist Leader Obama's hit list at flag@whitehouse.gov)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

My doctor quit accepting Medicare about 2 yrs ago.......posted huge signs all over her office. One day we were chatting before my actual “why are you here?” and I asked her why. She said she was owed something like $287,000 and as a one doctor office she just can’t afford to do business that way.
I can’t complain, the waits to see her are much shorter but now all those Medicare patients are out of an excellent doctor.


10 posted on 08/22/2009 12:45:29 PM PDT by sheana
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To: george76

I can actually see this whole thing blowing up in the feds face. Hopefully that rino sec of transportation, Lahood, gets a pink slip. Damn 0 apologist.


11 posted on 08/22/2009 12:49:35 PM PDT by ABQHispConservative (A Blue Dog Democrat is an oxyMoron!)
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To: george76

12 posted on 08/22/2009 12:52:25 PM PDT by Iron Munro (America's awkward stage: too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

I fail to see what the entire point of this ridiculous 4 week long fiasco was.
Certainly it wasn’t to boost car sales long term, a short term increase followed by depressed sales doesn’t do a damned thing for anybody

The morons in DC are going to pay for this in 2010


13 posted on 08/22/2009 12:54:31 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Hussein Baraka Mook Kebba)
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To: george76

The federal government has only reimbursed auto dealers for 2 percent of the claims they’ve submitted through the popular “cash for clunkers” program, a Pennsylvania congressman said, calling on the Obama administration to help speed up the process.

Rep. Joe Sestak, D-Pa., called for “immediate action” to address the problem in a statement Sunday, after writing a letter to President Obama Saturday expressing his concerns.

In the letter, Sestak said only 2 percent of claims have been paid and that four of every five applications have been “rejected for minor oversight.”

In recent days, auto dealers across the country have been complaining that the reimbursement payments are slow to process. And they said some of their applications were being rejected because of apparent procedural issues. The statistics Sestak cited suggest those complaints are not based on isolated incidents.


14 posted on 08/22/2009 12:55:16 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: george76
Par for the course.

Government comes up with some grand plan and forces the taxpayers into footing the bill.

Doesn't matter if it's cash for clunkers, cap n' trade, health care...you name it.

Then there's the lovely aspect of OUR tax dollars being used to support such Utopian schemes as 'social justice' and 'equality' a la organizations such as ACORN and ACLU.

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By equality, in a democracy, is to be understood, equality of civil rights, and not of condition. Equality of rights necessarily produces inequality of possessions; because, by the laws of nature and of equality, every man has a right to use his faculties in an honest way, and the fruits of his labor, thus acquired, are his own. But some men have more strength than others; some more health; some more industry; and some more skill and ingenuity, than others; and according to these, and other circumstances the products of their labor must be various, and their property must become unequal. The rights of property must be sacred, and must be protected; otherwise there could be no exertion of either ingenuity or industry, and consequently nothing but extreme poverty, misery, and brutal ignorance.
St. George Tucker, "View of the Constitution of the United States" 1803

15 posted on 08/22/2009 12:56:50 PM PDT by MamaTexan (If you think calling me a 'birther' will stop me from defending the Constitution........think again!)
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To: Iron Munro

Amazing how the Liberal agenda can so easily be depicted in a cartoon like the one you posted.


16 posted on 08/22/2009 12:58:42 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: Rome2000
I fail to see what the entire point of this ridiculous 4 week long fiasco was.

Market manipulation.

With Government Motors going into business, any good solid older vehicle still in use drove the general market for new cars down. Trade in the still serviceable cars with a super-sweet deal....boom!... instant demand.

You know how the federal government hates competition. :-)

17 posted on 08/22/2009 1:00:54 PM PDT by MamaTexan (If you think calling me a 'birther' will stop me from defending the Constitution........think again!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The stories about how ineptly-run cash for clunkers is has begun to be front page news. There have been a lot of stories about the failure to pay dealerships.

It’s just further evidence that the obama is running an inept White House.


18 posted on 08/22/2009 1:06:41 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: freekitty

Yep, they get to pay TWICE! First time thru the taxes to pay for this ‘clunker’ of a program, then again by signing a ‘promissory note’ to the dealer when the fed refuses to honor its rebate commitment


19 posted on 08/22/2009 1:12:52 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: george76
I suppose the auto dealers felt they were going to get something like timely payment and not the Medicare-style step-'n-fetchit routine where the feds liesurely send payment 60 to 90 days after it is filed for and they get around to it - assuming the paperwork is filed correctly in the first place with all the "i"s and "t"s crossed.

Silly them. They'll learn.

20 posted on 08/22/2009 1:16:38 PM PDT by Gritty (GM's a welfare project masquerading as economic activity. Post Obama, America will be, too-Steyn)
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To: ClearCase_guy
As far as I can see, the media is presenting this program as a huge success. I must be missing something — as far as I can see, it’s an epic fail.

Government spokesman to MSM: "We blew thru the entire three billion in less than 2 weeks ... so successfully that we're canning the entire program immediately"

Doublespeak never sounded so good ... /sarc

21 posted on 08/22/2009 1:18:37 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: george76

“You ****ed up, you trusted us.”


22 posted on 08/22/2009 1:22:31 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: K-oneTexas

This is the same government which, with all its demonstrated efficiency, intends to take over our medical care.


23 posted on 08/22/2009 1:23:34 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Sprit of '76)
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To: ArmyTeach

Oh, yes in deed.

Insufficient power in the hands of the Elitists in Washington DC. Need more.

And don’t forget what it will add to the deficit and the national debt.

I’m thinking that as car dealers become more aware of the ‘short-comings’ of the legislation it might push Washington to make these “economic benefits to the people” unfunded mandates that the States must pony-up (muck like Medicaid and a few others).


24 posted on 08/22/2009 1:32:16 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: MamaTexan; Rome2000
I fail to see what the entire point of this ridiculous 4 week long fiasco was.

I think that Obummer doesn't give a flying f___ if the dealers get paid or not. In fact, them not getting paid may be part of the plan. Gubmint Motors and Fiat/USA won't be hurt because the gubmint can just print money for them, but some private sector dealers may go under. Zero hates corporations, so that will be just fine by him.

Obozo wanted a bunch of poor people to get new cars, and they did. If they start defaulting on their loans, then watch Obama step in and use taxpayer $ to keep their cars from being repossessed.

25 posted on 08/22/2009 1:33:34 PM PDT by webschooner (First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win -- Mahatma Gandhi)
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To: ArmyTeach

My cynicism meter is WAY UP.

Notice how they DUPED the dealer into this debacle.

If they had told the consumer, go ahead and buy the car, we will send you a check, EVERYONE would be looking for a check.

As it is, they just ‘stick’ a few dealers and the masses remain untouched...Never mind it was YOUR MONEY to start with, it was just “Joe Six Pack” getting HIS from “Champagne Charlie”...


26 posted on 08/22/2009 1:34:38 PM PDT by xrmusn (VOTE THE INCUMBENTS OUT)
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To: george76

On Friday Gibbs categorically blamed the dealership’s “mistakes” for non-payment.

We all know that the government only hires the best of the best and they could NEVER make a mistake!


27 posted on 08/22/2009 1:35:33 PM PDT by Eaker (The Two Loudest Sounds in the World.....Bang When it should have been Click and the Reverse.)
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To: george76

As Rush stated, now they want a Cash For Caskets program.


28 posted on 08/22/2009 1:40:53 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Iron Munro

Absolutely perfect!

One picture says it all!


29 posted on 08/22/2009 1:47:16 PM PDT by Eaker (The Two Loudest Sounds in the World.....Bang When it should have been Click and the Reverse.)
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To: george76

All dealers should have rejected this program which was placed on the backs of taxpayers. Didn’t they learn from the auto bailouts what happens when a company does business with Obama? He pulls the plug and assumes command.

These dealers get what they deserve. I have no empathy for them. Nor do I have any for those consumers who jumped on the bandwagon to get a better car deal. They did so with full knowledge it was the American taxpayer who held the burden to support the deal on their new car. But they didn’t care, nor did those dealers who participated in this taxpayer ripoff scam.

So yea, I hope those dealers and their customers suffer.


30 posted on 08/22/2009 2:00:09 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Freedom Watch: fight for freedom with everything you have.)
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To: george76
So the gov't. is subsidizing new car purchases with taxpayer dollars. Then they destroy the trade-in 'clunkers' for absolutely no return value to the taxpayers. On top of that now they are delinquent on reimbursing the auto dealers for their 'clunker' $$. FUBAR!

“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action”…. General George Washington -

31 posted on 08/22/2009 2:30:55 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: george76
making car buyers pledge to cover rebates if the federal government doesn't come through

So now CAR BUYERS have to BAIL OUT the U.S. GOVERNMENT's BAD DEBT.

If I were China I'd be pretty scared about my investments.

32 posted on 08/22/2009 3:00:50 PM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a this "Health" Bill--or lose reelection)
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To: takenoprisoner
All dealers should have rejected this program which was placed on the backs of taxpayers. Didn’t they learn from the auto bailouts what happens when a company does business with Obama? He pulls the plug and assumes command.

These dealers get what they deserve. I have no empathy for them. Nor do I have any for those consumers who jumped on the bandwagon to get a better car deal. They did so with full knowledge it was the American taxpayer who held the burden to support the deal on their new car. But they didn’t care, nor did those dealers who participated in this taxpayer ripoff scam.

So yea, I hope those dealers and their customers suffer.


I work in the auto parts business, well, I deliver parts to our commercial customers which are mom and pop mechanics, chain mechanics, used car dealers and even new car dealers. We took somewhat of a hit during this program but we are getting busy again. I did talk to a used car dealer who sells budget cars, good cars, for $2000 to $5000. He took a serious hit, only had one sale in 3 weeks.

Obama out to help the poor, give me a break! Most people I hang out with are working class just making it. I'm also of limited means. Those lower priced cars are the thing for my friends and myself. By destroying perfectly good cars, Obama has stuck his nose in the marketplace and taken a good number of these cars off the table, cars the poor people need and can buy. I'd rather see some of these cars even go to vets, battered women and so on instead of destroyed. You cannot even pull many of the parts from these cars too, parts that can be reused and refurbished.

$4500 ain't a lot on some cars, if the economy keeps going down the commode as indications are showing, expect these "Obama-mobiles" to be repossessed in the next 3,6 or 12 months.
33 posted on 08/22/2009 3:06:34 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Woodrow Wilson should have been waterboarded.)
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To: takenoprisoner
RIGHT ON!

Is anyone here a car dealer or a customer on the dole? Step up.. people worked hard for the money you are stealing so the least you can do is raise your hand.


34 posted on 08/22/2009 3:44:59 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: bigbob

wasn’t Obama going to put gas in our tanks too?
___________________________________________________

Yes. And pay our bills. /s

Kool-aid gives one a nasty, little hangover, doesn’t it?


35 posted on 08/22/2009 3:58:44 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” -George Orwell)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
The law requires reimbursement to auto dealers.

Now they are crying because the Federal Government is not paying up?

Spoken like someone on a lifetime dole or perhaps at best who sometimes worked for someone else. What would you say if Social Security payments were postponed?

36 posted on 08/22/2009 4:12:20 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: kcvl

No big deal. Problem is that government workers assigned to process the C4C applications were surprised that they had to work a little harder to keep up and simply went on vacation. The problem will be remedied with the addition of 2 million more unionized workers to handle the workload and a new Clunker Czar.


37 posted on 08/22/2009 4:32:00 PM PDT by JrsyJack (There's a little Jim Thompson in all of us)
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To: kcvl

No big deal. Problem is that government workers assigned to process the C4C applications were surprised that they had to work a little harder to keep up and simply went on vacation. The problem will be remedied with the addition of 2 million more unionized workers to handle the workload and a new Clunker Czar.


38 posted on 08/22/2009 4:36:19 PM PDT by JrsyJack (There's a little Jim Thompson in all of us)
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
Make no mistake...if it was a private company defaulting on these clunker loans, Henry Waxman would have their CEO in front of his 'Board of Inquisition' first thing Monday...



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39 posted on 08/22/2009 4:36:45 PM PDT by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: george76
Since payment to dealers in cash 4 clunkers is delayed, interest at credit card rates should be added to the reimbursements.


40 posted on 08/22/2009 4:37:23 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men)
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To: george76

Remember when the City of Chicago had a hard time of getting Obama to pay for the costs incurred for his Election Victory Party? Did he ever pay them?


41 posted on 08/22/2009 4:37:59 PM PDT by Sunshine54 (Sunshine54)
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To: george76

I guess what I’m trying to say is that the dealers are happy to benefit from the program with increased sales, but if there’s any downside, they want to ship that straight over to the customer.


42 posted on 08/22/2009 4:44:46 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: tflabo
“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action”…. George Washington

Seems silly to let it exist in the first place, don'tcha think?
43 posted on 08/22/2009 4:45:45 PM PDT by Rodebrecht (Resident anarchist.)
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To: kcvl
The federal government has only reimbursed auto dealers for 2 percent of the claims they’ve submitted through the popular “cash for clunkers” program, a Pennsylvania congressman said, calling on the Obama administration to help speed up the process.

What does he think Obama can do that would have any impact on a leviathan bureaucracy? Or is he suggesting that money is the issue and that if O'd put a two month moratorium on "date night" there'd be money to pay?

44 posted on 08/22/2009 4:50:30 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: george76
The idiots that elected to participate in this boondoggle deserve what they get.

I predict we will see consequences well into the next decade, if not the next generation.

45 posted on 08/22/2009 4:59:40 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: george76

Never accept a federal subsidy.


46 posted on 08/22/2009 5:06:12 PM PDT by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: george76
There is no way I would have ever signed such an insane sales contract. Obama’s Change harmed those of us who buy and drive so called CHUNKERS which are traded in and sold in auction to used car lots. It was a sinful waste of good running vehicles persons could have used. Another very dumb idea from The Clueless One.
47 posted on 08/22/2009 5:14:18 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: george76

Tell you what I’d do If I were the dealers: I would keep the clunkers (in working condition with all their parts), and if the government defaulted on their cars- I’d simply call the clunkers “Hard Assets” and sell or trade them as used cars/parts (you won’t make up all the $4,500, but at least you’ll get something).


48 posted on 08/22/2009 5:15:12 PM PDT by JSDude1 (www.wethepeopleindiana.org (Tea Party Member-Proud), www.travishankins.com (R- IN 09 2010!))
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To: ClearCase_guy
"As far as I can see, the media socialist organs are presenting this program as a huge success. I must be missing something — as far as I can see, it’s an epic fail."

There - fixed it for you. Makes more sense now - comports with reality.
49 posted on 08/22/2009 5:45:33 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try TRAITORS.))
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Now they are crying because the Federal Government is not paying up?
The FederalGovernment is BROKE.
Add to that incopmpetent, incapable and corrupt.
++++++++++++++++

That’s how all of us should see and treat the federal socialists...we (barely) need ‘em.

THROW the BUMS out!!! 11/2010 is coming...


50 posted on 08/22/2009 5:47:33 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country & the Tea Party! Take America Back! (Objective media? Try TRAITORS.))
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