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[Actor Jon] Voight (again) mincing no words on Obama
The Lone Star Times ^ | August 21, 2009

Posted on 08/22/2009 9:07:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Jon Voight, our current favorite non-politician rabble-rouser, isn’t letting up on his warnings of the potential consequences of Barack Obama’s plans and policies.

Voight, who minces no words when discussing this President – recently referring to Obama as a ”false prophet” and urging Republicans to “free the nation” from the “Obama oppression” – has lit into the Chief Executive again, accusing Obama of attempting a “slow, steady takeover of our true freedoms,” and asking if the President is “creating a civil war in our own country?”

In comments to the Washintgon Times, Voight again used the S word:

“We are witnessing a slow, steady takeover of our true freedoms. We are becoming a socialist nation, and whoever can’t see this is probably hoping it isn’t true. If we permit Mr. Obama to take over all our industries, if we permit him to raise our taxes to support unconstitutional causes, then we will be in default. This great America will become a paralyzed nation.”

He also suggested conservatives make sure they know the opposition:

“Do not let the Obama administration fool you with all their cunning Alinsky methods. And if you don’t know what that method is, I implore you to get the book ‘Rules for Radicals,’ by Saul Alinsky . Mr. Obama is very well trained in these methods,” . . ..

Finally, for all the talk of the post-partisan, post-racial Enlightened One, Voight considers him essentially a common bully:

“The real truth is that the Obama administration is professional at bullying, as we have witnessed with ACORN at work during the presidential campaign. It seems to me they are sending down their bullies to create fist fights among average American citizens who don’t want a government-run health care plan forced upon them,” Mr. Voight says. “So I ask again. Is President Obama creating a civil war in our own country?”

(These are particularly interesting comments in light of recent developments, including the Democrats turning special interest groups loose to threaten lawmakers who don’t support a health care ”public option,” and President Obama’s own claims that the grass-roots town hall protests are the product of another vast Republican conspiracy.)

Excuse me while I consult the entertainment section for the location of the nearest Jon Voight film.


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Hear, hear!
1 posted on 08/22/2009 9:07:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: TigersEye

I really like John Voight.


2 posted on 08/22/2009 9:09:37 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (elected officials should be required to pass drug, alcohol & dementia testing)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mincing no words... There is no doubt who’s side Voight is on. A great American who’s movies I love!


3 posted on 08/22/2009 9:11:20 PM PDT by lmr (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OH my. JOhn Voight for Congress!


4 posted on 08/22/2009 9:15:00 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obama's Deathcare ---- many will suffer and/or die unnecessarily.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So I ask again. Is President Obama creating a civil war in our own country?”

Is Obama Trying to cause a civil war, or is it a result of hi poor leadership/incompetence.

5 posted on 08/22/2009 9:15:13 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (w)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If only the Republican leadership would talk as bluntly as Jon Voigt.

Oops, sorry, that would actually require some guts ...


6 posted on 08/22/2009 9:16:15 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I LOVE LOVE LOVE Jon Voight. SPOT ON as always. He is a good man. I always seem him every year on TV during the Chabad Telethon.


7 posted on 08/22/2009 9:17:46 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: canuck_conservative

I bet he reads Free Republic.


8 posted on 08/22/2009 9:17:48 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Maybe he is contemplating running for office - if not..maybe he should.

Why not? Reagan was an actor.


9 posted on 08/22/2009 9:20:41 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: pandoraou812
John Voight

It's Jon Voight. Jon Voight is the actor, John Voight is the guy whose car Jerry Seinfeld bought.

10 posted on 08/22/2009 9:20:54 PM PDT by murdoog ("Always love your country¬óbut never trust your government" Robert Novak)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Zero and his Union thug army with the aid of the US Congress are, in my opinion, declaring war upon the American people. No doubt about that in my mind.


11 posted on 08/22/2009 9:21:52 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes. the bullying. It is what they do best, and this is what they have done since his inauguration. “I won, he said, implying that the Republicans KHA.


12 posted on 08/22/2009 9:23:10 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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To: RummyChick

He should run for Congress, he is just the guy we need to help fix Washington


13 posted on 08/22/2009 9:23:21 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I suspect alot more of Hollywood et al feels the same way, they’re just too cowardly to publicly admit it


14 posted on 08/22/2009 9:23:58 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’d love to watch Jon Voight “bitch slap” Reid, Pelosi, Frank and Obama sometime. Great idea for a video game.


15 posted on 08/22/2009 9:27:39 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Zero, ACORN and his Union thug army, US Congress and Senate and no few state governors are America's domestic enemies.

They have declared war on each and every one of us.

I will not fire the first shot. But I'll do my damnedest to fire the last.

That distant thunder that you may hear rolling through far-off hills is war.

War is coming. Here. Soon.

And, like my father before me, I am prepared. I am prepared to honor my oath.

And I won't be alone.

16 posted on 08/22/2009 9:30:44 PM PDT by Noumenon (Work that AQT - turn ammunition into skill. No tyrant can maintain a 300 yard perimeter forever.)
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To: All

Just remember, when the SHTF....12 gauge. It works wonders.


17 posted on 08/22/2009 9:31:42 PM PDT by jy8z (From the next to last exit before the end of the internet.)
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To: RobbyS
“I won, he said,

Elections can be won; respect, however, is earned.

18 posted on 08/22/2009 9:33:03 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: murdoog

Jon Voight. Jon Voight Voight is the actor, John Voight..etc
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
George Castanza bought the car. (I know, picky picky)


19 posted on 08/22/2009 9:36:08 PM PDT by xrmusn (VOTE THE INCUMBENTS OUT)
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To: murdoog

I thought so but wasn’t sure. Thanks for the info.


20 posted on 08/22/2009 9:36:53 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (elected officials should be required to pass drug, alcohol & dementia testing)
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To: canuck_conservative

I had a letter from John Boehner, soliciting moral support and money in an effort, if I understood him, to become Speaker?! Since when does a member of the minority party ever get to be Speaker?

Anyhow, the letter went into the round file along with all the other junk mail, and such things will continue to go there until someone with an R behind their name grows a backbone at least one-one hundredth as strong as the one that beautiful, courageous Sarah Palin has! What a SORRY bunch of pantywaists we are stuck with right now!!!


21 posted on 08/22/2009 9:41:17 PM PDT by Tucker39 (I Tim. 1:15b " .....Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.")
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To: Tucker39

ALL OF THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE SOCIALISTS WHO NEED TO BE OUTED AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY.

DO NOT LET THE RED SONS OF BITCHES HIDE

House members

All members are members of the Democratic Party or caucus with the Democratic Party. There are currently (July 2009) 83 total declared Progressives including 79 voting Representatives, 2 non-voting Representatives and 2 Senators.

[edit] Arizona

* Ed Pastor (AZ-4, Phoenix)
* Raúl Grijalva (AZ-7, Tucson) - Co-Chair

[edit] California

* Lynn Woolsey (CA-6, Santa Rosa) - Co-Chair
* George Miller (CA-7, Richmond) - Chairman, House Education and Labor Committee
* Barbara Lee (CA-9, Oakland) - Chairwoman, Congressional Black Caucus
* Pete Stark (CA-13, Fremont)
* Michael Honda (CA-15, San Jose)
* Sam Farr (CA-17, Monterey)
* Henry Waxman (CA-30, Los Angeles) - Chairman, House Energy and Commerce Committee
* Xavier Becerra (CA-31, Los Angeles)
* Judy Chu (CA-32, El Monte)
* Diane Watson (CA-33, Los Angeles)
* Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34, Los Angeles)
* Maxine Waters (CA-35, Inglewood)
* Laura Richardson (CA-37, Long Beach)
* Linda Sanchez (CA-39, Lakewood)
* Bob Filner (CA-51, San Diego) - Chairman, House Veterans Affairs Committee

[edit] Colorado

* Jared Polis (CO-02, Boulder)

[edit] Connecticut

* Rosa DeLauro (CT-3, New Haven)

[edit] Florida

* Corrine Brown (FL-3, Jacksonville)
* Alan Grayson (FL-8, Orlando)
* Robert Wexler (FL-19, Boca Raton)
* Alcee Hastings (FL-23, Fort Lauderdale)

[edit] Georgia

* Hank Johnson (GA-4, Lithonia)
* John Lewis (GA-5, Atlanta)

[edit] Hawaii

* Neil Abercrombie (HI-1, Honolulu)
* Mazie Hirono (HI-2, Honolulu)

[edit] Illinois

* Bobby Rush (IL-1, Chicago)
* Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-2, Chicago Heights)
* Luis Gutierrez (IL-4, Chicago)
* Danny Davis (IL-7, Chicago)
* Jan Schakowsky (IL-9, Chicago)
* Phil Hare (IL-17, Rock Island)

[edit] Indiana

* André Carson (IN-7, Indianapolis)

[edit] Iowa

* Dave Loebsack (IA-2, Cedar Rapids)

[edit] Maine

* Chellie Pingree (ME-1, North Haven)

[edit] Maryland

* Donna Edwards (MD-4, Fort Washington)
* Elijah Cummings (MD-7, Baltimore)

[edit] Massachusetts

* John Olver (MA-1, Amherst)
* Jim McGovern (MA-3, Worcester)
* Barney Frank (MA-4, Newton) - Chairman, House Financial Services Committee
* John Tierney (MA-6, Salem)
* Ed Markey (MA-7, Malden)
* Mike Capuano (MA-8, Boston)

[edit] Michigan

* Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (MI-13, Detroit)
* John Conyers (MI-14, Detroit) - Chairman, House Judiciary Committee

[edit] Minnesota

* Keith Ellison (MN-5, Minneapolis)

[edit] Mississippi

* Bennie Thompson (MS-2, Bolton) - Chairman, House Homeland Security Committee

[edit] Missouri

* William Lacy Clay, Jr. (MO-1, St. Louis)
* Emanuel Cleaver (MO-5, Kansas City)

[edit] New Jersey

* Donald Payne (NJ-10, Newark)
* Frank Pallone (NJ-06)

[edit] New Mexico

* Ben R. Luján (NM-3, Santa Fe)

[edit] New York

* Jerry Nadler (NY-8, Manhattan)
* Yvette Clarke (NY-11, Brooklyn)
* Nydia Velazquez (NY-12, Brooklyn) - Chairwoman, House Small Business Committee
* Carolyn Maloney (NY-14, Manhattan)
* Charles Rangel (NY-15, Harlem) - Chairman, House Ways and Means Committee
* Jose Serrano (NY-16, Bronx)
* John Hall (NY-19, Dover Plains)
* Maurice Hinchey (NY-22, Saugerties)
* Louise Slaughter (NY-28, Rochester) - Chairwoman, House Rules Committee
* Eric Massa (NY-29, Corning)

[edit] North Carolina

* Mel Watt (NC-12, Charlotte)

[edit] Ohio

* Marcy Kaptur (OH-9, Toledo)
* Dennis Kucinich (OH-10, Cleveland)
* Marcia Fudge (OH-11, Warrensville Heights)

[edit] Oregon

* Earl Blumenauer (OR-3, Portland)
* Peter DeFazio (OR-4, Eugene)

[edit] Pennsylvania

* Bob Brady (PA-1, Philadelphia) - Chairman, House Administration Committee
* Chaka Fattah (PA-2, Philadelphia)

[edit] Tennessee

* Steve Cohen (TN-9, Memphis)

[edit] Texas

* Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18, Houston)
* Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30, Dallas)

[edit] Virginia

* Jim Moran (VA-8, Alexandria)

[edit] Vermont

* Peter Welch (VT-At Large)

[edit] Washington

* Jim McDermott (WA-7, Seattle)

[edit] Wisconsin

* Tammy Baldwin (WI-2, Madison)
* Gwen Moore (WI-4, Milwaukee)

[edit] Non-voting

* Donna M. Christensen (Virgin Islands)
* Eleanor Holmes Norton (District of Columbia)

[edit] Senate members

* Bernie Sanders (Vermont)
* Tom Udall (New Mexico)

[edit] Former members

* Sherrod Brown (OH-13) - Elected to Senate
* Julia Carson (IN-07) - Died in December 2007
* Lane Evans (IL-17) - Retired from Congress
* Cynthia McKinney (GA-4) - Lost Congressional seat to current caucus member Hank Johnson
* Major Owens (NY-11) - Retired from Congress
* Nancy Pelosi (CA-8) - Left Caucus when Elected House Minority Leader
* Hilda Solis (CA-32) - Became Secretary of Labor in 2009
* Stephanie Tubbs Jones (OH-11) - Died in 2008
* Paul Wellstone (MN Senate) - Died in plane crash in 2002

The CPC was founded in 1991 and currently has more than eighty members. The Caucus is co-chaired by Representatives Raúl Grijalva (D-AZ) and Lynn Woolsey (D-CA).

Of the twenty standing committees of the House, eleven are chaired by members of the CPC.


22 posted on 08/22/2009 9:44:27 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Hussein Baraka Mook Kebba)
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To: Noumenon

“Zero, ACORN and his Union thug army, US Congress and Senate and no few state governors are America’s domestic enemies.

They have declared war on each and every one of us.

I will not fire the first shot. But I’ll do my damnedest to fire the last.

That distant thunder that you may hear rolling through far-off hills is war.

War is coming. Here. Soon.

And, like my father before me, I am prepared. I am prepared to honor my oath.

And I won’t be alone.”

You are right. You will not be alone. It would be my great honor to stand with you and yours any day, my Fellow American!


23 posted on 08/22/2009 9:46:42 PM PDT by Bravada (Wherever I Stand, I Stand With Israel!)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

If they open their mouth - they get no work. They have to be lib parrots. Jon even said so.


24 posted on 08/22/2009 9:51:16 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Running from a bully makes him more of a bully...standing up to a bully is the best way to defeat him.

Do not shy away from meetings, rallies or elections because obama's goons (ACORN, SEIU, et al) show up wearing their "mean faces"...they always wear them, and they always look mad.

Go to the polls in groups, take your video cameras, and film your friends entering the polls...any interference will be caught on video for the whole world to see...video is sometimes more powerful than a .357.

Remember, "GOON" stands for "Gang Of Obama Nuts"...and Jesse Jackson once said he'd like to cut them off. Where is ol' Jesse anyway?
25 posted on 08/22/2009 9:54:56 PM PDT by FrankR (We are only enslaved to the extent of charity we receive....INCUMBENTS OUT!!!)
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To: murdoog

I think George bought that car, not Jerry.

That was a great episode.


26 posted on 08/22/2009 9:57:47 PM PDT by lmr (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

People should keep in mind that Obama, like Clinton before him, is not the only false prophet to endanger the country. Maybe one of the worst, but not the first nor the last. Republicans have their share of false prophets as well even though the spotlight is clearly not on them.


27 posted on 08/22/2009 9:57:52 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Everybody's talking at me.
I don't hear a word they're saying,
Only the echoes of my mind.
People stopping staring,
I can't see their faces,
Only the shadows of their eyes.
28 posted on 08/22/2009 10:05:43 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (This Little Piggie Gets Wee Wee'd Up All The Way Home)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bookmark


29 posted on 08/22/2009 10:08:11 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“We are witnessing a slow, steady takeover of our true freedoms. We are becoming a socialist nation, and whoever can’t see this is probably hoping it isn’t true. If we permit Mr. Obama to take over all our industries, if we permit him to raise our taxes to support unconstitutional causes, then we will be in default. This great America will become a paralyzed nation.”

larouche is talking about this too. Larouche is equating obama to hitler.


30 posted on 08/22/2009 10:12:57 PM PDT by television is just wrong (one bad ass mistake America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

JOHN VOIGHT FOR PRESIDENT.


31 posted on 08/22/2009 10:15:48 PM PDT by television is just wrong (one bad ass mistake America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Mr. Voight says. “So I ask again. Is President Obama creating a civil war in our own country?”

Jon Voight is a good man and a patriot. I am glad he’s on our side.

As for his question, absolutely yes. Obama has got us to the brink of a civil war, he’s done it with reckless disregard to our constitution, and arrogance.

His leadership has been reckless and he’s placed us all in jeopardy. Once it begins, it will not be something that he can stop... he has less credibility with each passing day, nobody is going to listen to this ass-clown, Obama.

Obama has failed, he should step down or be removed from office before this charade has gone too far.

Buy rope and lots of it.....


32 posted on 08/22/2009 10:24:32 PM PDT by Gator113 (It's about stupidity, stupid. IMPEACH HERE, IMPEACH NOW.)
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To: Rome2000
The trouble is that the members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus are politically bulletproof in their gerrymandered districts. Only two Senators, Bernie Sanders VT and Tom Udall NM belong. Few holding an office elected from an entire State would have this range of extreme views. Vermont is smaller in population than many Congressional Districts and is very Left. Udall is like a Kennedy in the southwest.

These listed people do not have to fear IN THEIR DISTRICTS.

You are right that they need exposure because as holders of safe seats they have built up seniority and hold more power. The views of their districts are not those of their States or the Country.

33 posted on 08/22/2009 10:25:15 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: The_Media_never_lie

No, he’s really trying.

How else can you explain the appalling chain of events since his ascension?

CA....


34 posted on 08/22/2009 10:26:49 PM PDT by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've at last found that silly grin!)
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To: television is just wrong

JON Voigt for president ! : )


35 posted on 08/22/2009 10:35:36 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does John Voight know about Free Republic? He ought to..he’s one of us.


36 posted on 08/22/2009 10:49:49 PM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have a great respect for this man — both as an actor, and a damn fine Patriot! Keep talking Jon - it seems like you’re the only one with power to pull these punches and they are sorely needed...


37 posted on 08/22/2009 11:04:26 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Tucker39

I agree with you... If the GOP is anti-Socialism I sure can’t see much evidence of it in complete honesty. I honestly wonder if there is ANYONE in DC, or the GOP at ALL, that REALLY care about this country vs. making sure they get a piece of the socialist(fascist) pie Obama is baking. [I guess I should say that this group doesn’t include Palin — as far as I can tell she may have an (R) after her name, but she’s more of a “free-agent” type...]


38 posted on 08/22/2009 11:09:11 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

BTTT


39 posted on 08/22/2009 11:10:35 PM PDT by hattend (Sarah Palin's mob minion - Mob Name: Hatman the Hitman)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

He’s definitely trying... Fascists/Socialists/Marxists/Communists — they ALL need chaos to implement their control and that is EXACTLY what they are trying to feed. What it comes down to is this — how many people are truly brainwashed, and how many will instead rise up in defense (or to retake) the Freedom our Constitution guarantees. Except for those on the far left who KNOW they are socialists and are ready to do whatever they can for the cause, it is my humble opinion that Obama and his minions have FAR less people behind them than they realize...

Then again, it didn’t take Hitler a LOT of people to make hell on Earth for a while... I’d like to think though that due to our country’s history, it will NOT be as easy as it was for Hitler, for Obama to assert his control... But human nature doesn’t change that much. Scare enough people and more will cower in fear...

No matter what happens at this point it is NOT going to be easy to turn this tide around — especially with ACORN, and all of Obama’s czars. I worry there will be no elections to speak of by the time 2010 rolls around, or by 2012. And, if there ARE elections - they most certainly are going to be even more tainted than Obama’s election...


40 posted on 08/22/2009 11:16:42 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Midnight Cowboy


41 posted on 08/22/2009 11:20:22 PM PDT by blam
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Obama is PRAYING for a level of civil unrest broad enough to allow him to justify MARTIAL LAW. That would give the SOB the power he craves.

What is fails to understand is that he and his jackboots will LOSE!!


42 posted on 08/22/2009 11:29:59 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I knew he wasn’t one of my favorite actors for nuthin. Remember Voight in “Runaway Train”? His character is an escaped convict who chooses to ride the train to it’s fatal impact rather than return to prison. It made me realize all humanity is on a runaway train. cool


43 posted on 08/22/2009 11:36:13 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The dreaded answer is Yes. Obama is functioning as a Marat, calling for more and more blood.


44 posted on 08/22/2009 11:40:04 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: Rome2000

One correction to the list.

Marcia Fudge from Ohio recently married William PACKER.

I’ll let you figure out how to deal with that.


45 posted on 08/22/2009 11:40:18 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And Obama is capable of faking threats to himself in order to regain the electorate’s affection. Dems can stuff only so many ballot boxes.


46 posted on 08/22/2009 11:42:04 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: LibertyRocks
No matter what happens at this point it is NOT going to be easy to turn this tide around — especially with ACORN, and all of Obama’s czars. I worry there will be no elections to speak of by the time 2010 rolls around, or by 2012. And, if there ARE elections - they most certainly are going to be even more tainted than Obama’s election...

That is defeatist talk. Get out there and help them.

47 posted on 08/22/2009 11:44:18 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Rome2000
THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE SOCIALISTS WHO NEED TO BE OUTED AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY.

I could not agree more. But nearly every CA Rat you list is from a socialist district. They've gerrymandered CA districts to the point that Rat incumbents simply can't be defeated. Worse, they've mobilized illegal aliens to steal elections in any districts where Republicans might stand a chance of winning. When Republicans in Congress allowed Loretta Sanchez to steal the election from Bob Dornan, any hope of pulling CA out of the socialist sewer vanished.

48 posted on 08/22/2009 11:48:52 PM PDT by Bernard Marx ("Civilizations die by suicide, not from murder" Toynbee)
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To: pandoraou812

Oh HELL YA!


49 posted on 08/22/2009 11:50:37 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am a member of the FreeRepublic Jon Voight Fan Club.


50 posted on 08/23/2009 12:11:36 AM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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