Posted on 08/23/2009 11:36:26 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
Former US presidential nominee Mike Huckabee says Israel is much better favored by the American evangelicals than by the American Jewish community.
"Maybe one of the hard things is to convince some of our Jewish friends that Evangelicals are the best friends they've got - because I think generally, that's the case," Huckabee said in the epilogue to a three-day visit to Israel.
"Evangelicals are so much more supportive of Israel than the American Jewish community," he added in an interview with the CBN News.
He said that the evangelical Christians were, unlike Jews, consistently supportive of the Israeli territorial assertions.
"I don't find that kind of dichotomy generally within the Evangelical community…. It's pretty adamant: There ought to be one city. It ought to be a Jewish state. And it ought to be secure."
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Hard to disagree there.
A lot of Jews in this country would have made excellent Kapos for the Nazis.
For once I am actually going to agree with the Huckster. He is right, American Jews don’t care for Israel, but Israeli Born Jews definitely care for Israel. Look at how many of them voted for Obama, that shows everything right there
4% of the American Jewish Voting Community listed Israel as their main concern at the polls, so politically speaking I think Huck is correct, but watch the media try and blow this into something it is not.
They did exactly that to John Hagee, and he started Christians United for Israel the media will stop at nothing to smear and slander anyone who is not a liberal or a prog..
American Jews fear good Christians like Mike Huckabee more than the Hamas. If Hitler came back to life and ran as a pro-abortion Democrat, American Jews would overwhelmingly pick Hitler over Huckabee.
There’s a lot of them here in L.A.: the self-hating Jews. They just “talk” about their love for Israel but the ugly truth is that they simply don’t.
As a filthy gentile, here’s something I never understood regarding Israel. If most Israeli citizens are relatively secular (as I’ve seen suggested in multiple polls and so on), and their geographic location makes peace impossible (imagine placing a cat in the middle of a kennel of rabid dogs) why pick that place to begin with? The only logical reason would be to reclaim a Biblical homeland which is extremely difficult to place precisely, especially the Old Testement/Torah. It’s just something that never made alot of sense to me and has caused a TON of problems globally over the past 70 years.
American Jewish Democrats don’t care about israel but then there are also American Evangelical Christian Democrats, like Carter, who are very anti-Israel
liberalism messes everyone up
Agree. Every Jew I know, and I know several, voted for Zero.
my take on the American Jewish community is real simple. If you are a right wing and Jewish you would be living in Israel.
The sad part is these self-hating Jews KNOW obama will throw Israel under the bus at every opportunity.
I know plenty of (conservative) American Jews who consistently support conservative Israeli territorial assertions but at the same time have concerns closer to home that take precedence over Israel -- concerns like liberals destroying our own country, for instance. American Jews can (and often do) fully support hardcore conservative Israeli positions while at the same time not having it be their #1 political concern. Why, because they're Americans, not Israelis.
We got A LOT of self hating Jews in Los Angeles. My aunt lives in Beverlywood, LARGE Jewish community, during the election, almost every single house on her street had Obama/Biden posters. My Mom’s family are all from Israel(Sister and two brothers) they all supported McCain, but my uncle’s son(A big lib) I asked him before the election “Obama doesn’t care about supporting Israel” and he told me “Oh Israel is my Dad’s thing, not mine.”
What?
Where else would you find the cities, landmarks and bodies of water with those names?
It’s just something that never made alot of sense to me and has caused a TON of problems globally over the past 70 years.
Yes, it should have been a much larger piece of real estate. Where would you have it...New Jersey?
Bookmarked!
The Jews did not pick the spot (Israel) for a Nation. God picked it for them.
Nobody likes a kibitzer, Huck.
In my youth there was an undercurrent of suspicion about Jews having dual loyalities to both the US and Israel. In those days when the mistrust of Communism was a fact of life there were enough reasons for the right to look apprehensively at Jews who were for the most part brought up in the leftist-labor-socialist tradition. The fact that several high level Soviet spies were Jewish Americans of course didn’t help matters.
Today all that has been turned on its head and the greatest friend of the Jewish state is that same right that worried about dual loyalities-except today it seems the peeve of the right is that American Jews are not loyal enough to Israel.
The world has truly turned upside down.
Well, for one thing, you don't find large tracts of protectorate land being divvied up into new states every day. The truth is, Israel slipped into existence through a hairline crack in history. That doesn't detract in the slightest from her legitimacy, any more than the Kingdom of Jordan. But it is true.
Maybe they need a little potch en tuckus.
Riiiggghhhttt.....
I know, Huck is right...I don’t get it. I have a very good friend who is a NYC Jew (how he got to Kentucky, is a mystery! hahah). And I continually amaze him with my “Israel can do no wrong” attitude. He basically distrusts all things Israeli. And I talk in terms of Christ, Israel was promised to Abraham (the Jews), etc. And he seems have no love for that fact.
I have a love for Jewish folks, but I just can’t figure some of their attitudes about Israel here in the US.
one thing I always liked about huckabee (now I’m wearing flame resistant clothing) is that he was always clear and to the point about his stance on Israel
Im with you, Mike. I still wont vote for you.
Many Jews are JINOs. Just like many Christians are CINOs.
The problem with that is why then vote and make political contriubtions for Hardkore Liberals in American Elections?
“American Evangelical Christian Democrats”
Actually, I think that POTUS Carter was just a bit of an anti-semite. Also, there are Conservative Evangelical Christians and there are also Liberal Evangelical Christians (actually an oxymoron) to which camp Carter belongs. “Liberal” evangelicals (regardless of party) tend to be anti-Israel because they don’t home scripture in high regard. Those that hold scripture in high regard (Conservative Christian Evangelicals) recognize that Israel (Hebrew blood descendents) holds a particular and special place in God’s eyes because of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob...that has never changed. Abraham’s physical descendents hold a special place in God’s protection because of Abraham. Any true Christian is the true “spiritual” heir of Abraham, but those that are physical still have a special protected status.
correction:Non- Orthodox Jews don’t love Israel like Evangelicals do.
I’ve tried to understand what part of the middle east was given to the Jewish people by God but my geography knowledge in that part of the world is not so good. I do know without a doubt that the world would be a better place if they had all of the middle east and the muzzie heathen were destroyed from the face of the planet.
Huckabee is totally correct on this....just wonder when the liberal hate media will pound on him for this...
Joking. It’s a fun art.
I would be extremely offended, both as an American and as a Jew, if someone even vaguely suggested that my deep concern for Israel comes even close with my consern for this country. To the question whether Israel is the TOP concern I would answer, "No, h-ll no!"
The article and Hackable make correct conclusions from incorrect data, unfortunately. The ambiguity comes from the definition of "Jew." To most of my fellow tribe members I refer as "people from Jewish families" because they are no longer Jews themselves. They are securar liberals that still have cultural ties to the rest of the Jews. Why would they be loyal to Israel in any way? For them it's just a country like any other -- good if it's government is left-wing and bad if it is not.
Once you look at the issue in that way, you quickly find that these people are no different than those from Catholic or Protestant families. Once G-d is forsaken, it does not matter into which family you were born. Most of such people find new religion in one form of Leftism or another.
Of course, the fact that they are similar to other liberals does not make the fact that 80% of my fellow tribe members vote Democratic any less painful for me. But I am really glad that Hackable said what he did. If at least one liberal Jew --- shocked by the words, perhaps --- will stop and think for a minute, may be he'll wake up from his insanity.
SOME American Jews care for Israel!! All politically and religiously conservative Jews (not all Jews in the Conservative denomination) care for Israel! And there are even a significant number of politically liberal Jews who care deeply for Israel but do not understand politics and are led around like sheep by the mainstream. However, by their $$ support of Israel they are very pro-Israel. Liberal politicians can easily trick these people.
For instance, I informed my entire family before the election of Obama’s support of that Palestinian leader, and the L.A. Times hiding the video they had showing Obama toasting him. They were either apathetic to that (because the media says Obama is so great, and besides, the First Black President! How Historic!) or they tried to refute it in some way as dirty tricks from the other side.
It is not true that all of these Jews are not supportive of Israel. They just are easy to fool because they only know superficial things they learned from the wrong media.
Mr. Mojo, you have a point, but I think it’s more complicated than just that they are American. I think about all this a LOT.
I recently attended a function at a very reform synagogue who had just purchased new Super-Liberal prayerbooks that they were so proud of. I was aghast to read all the femininization of everything, as well as all the New Agey save the earthy stuff in there. Wonderful old prayers reduced to trite little bromides.
I think they have wanted their religion as toned down as possible, and that they prefer getting mainstream info so as to be assimilated and popular.
The ones I know would be aghast at this thread, saying that OF COURSE they support Israel. There are Israeli products, judaica, and artwork in their homes.
They tend NOT to understand the truth about Israel unless they have very close friends and family there. I have such friends so I do get good info, from the source as well as from good sources here (Jewish Journal, even FR). There are a LOT of them and less of us (pro-Israel alarmed American Jews), so they pooh pooh us crazies and feel that they are correct. They saw it on 60 minutes. Enough said.
It’s sad. Trying to talk to them about it is almost useless.
You've hit the nail on the head! 'Eretz Yisra'el is the worst possible place for a "secular Jewish homeland!"
Yechi HaMelekh!
They’re not the best friends of Israel, they’re the only friends of Israel.
Why would Soviet spies have any loyalty to Israel? Communists' loyalty was always to Mother Russia--nowhere else.
Today all that has been turned on its head and the greatest friend of the Jewish state is that same right that worried about dual loyalities-except today it seems the peeve of the right is that American Jews are not loyal enough to Israel. The world has truly turned upside down.
LOL! True . . . except for the Pat Buchanan/John Birch Society Right, which is as anti-Israel as ever.
Yes, the qibbutzim were pretty communistic, but unlike in the Communist countries living that way was 100% voluntary. People who lived in qibbutzim were people who wanted to live that way. Now if the American Left would only follow a similar policy.
Whatever the reason, it's very sad.
> “Obama doesn’t care about supporting Israel” and he told me “Oh Israel is my Dad’s thing, not mine.”
So true. I know and do some business with the rich jews in the Fashion District and they are for Obama..solidly. That little protests in the city when Israel was being forced by the BO adminsitration to give in to the Palestinians was just for show. They voted for Obama and STUPIDLY think he wouldn’t stab Israel in the back?
Truly one of the biggest mysteries of this world.
However, the media will throw a fit in spite of the demonstrable truth of the statement, and Huckabee will be boiled in oil on MSNBC, CNN, etc., in the next few days.
Certain truths are to the culture like holy water to a vampire.
Obviously you’re not a Bible believing Christian.
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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Haven't read the thread yet, I'm sure it will be applauded, but polliticaly a truely stupid statement.
In fact, Huck equating his political opinions with religion, also a truely stupid statement. Out there with The One explaining religious obligations to us.
What a bigoted statement. I’m Catholic, and I support Israel.
In fact, Huck equating his political opinions with religion, also a truely stupid statement. Out there with The One explaining religious obligations to us.
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Agreed. The Huckster strikes again.
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