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Journalists, Left Out of The Debate
WaPo ^ | Aug. 23, 2009 | Howard Kurtz

Posted on 08/23/2009 7:01:07 PM PDT by Al B.

For once, mainstream journalists did not retreat to the studied neutrality of quoting dueling antagonists.

They tried to perform last rites on the ludicrous claim about President Obama's death panels, telling Sarah Palin, in effect, you've got to quit making things up.

But it didn't matter. The story refused to die.

The crackling, often angry debate over health-care reform has severely tested the media's ability to untangle a story of immense complexity. In many ways, news organizations have risen to the occasion; in others they have become agents of distortion. But even when they report the facts, they have had trouble influencing public opinion.

In the 10 days after Palin warned on Facebook of an America "in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel,' " The Washington Post mentioned the phrase 18 times, the New York Times 16 times, and network and cable news at least 154 times (many daytime news shows are not transcribed).

While there is legitimate debate about the legislation's funding for voluntary end-of-life counseling sessions, the former Alaska governor's claim that government panels would make euthanasia decisions was clearly debunked.

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KEYWORDS: deathpanels; endoflife; healthcare; kurtz; medialies; obamacare; palin
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Cry me a river, Howard.
1 posted on 08/23/2009 7:01:08 PM PDT by Al B.
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To: Al B.

Dry me a lizard, you totalitarian shill.


2 posted on 08/23/2009 7:02:41 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: SAJ

Not you, Al — the alleged human Kurtz.


3 posted on 08/23/2009 7:03:13 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: Al B.
But even when they report the facts, they have had trouble influencing public opinion.

That's because the public is becoming more and more aware that you and your ilk are nothing but a bunch of newsholes.

4 posted on 08/23/2009 7:03:24 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Al B.
While there is legitimate debate about the legislation's funding for voluntary end-of-life counseling sessions, the former Alaska governor's claim that government panels would make euthanasia decisions was clearly debunked.

Yeah, that's why they took it off.

5 posted on 08/23/2009 7:03:36 PM PDT by ABQHispConservative (A Blue Dog Democrat is an oxyMoron!)
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To: SAJ

LOL...gotcha.


6 posted on 08/23/2009 7:03:57 PM PDT by Al B. (Dennis Miller on why he loves Sarah Palin: "She bugs all the right people")
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To: Al B.

The MSM certainly thinks it can spread its propaganda far and wide, with the sheeple following meekly behind it. Sometimes it works - the last election was their triumph - but it’s good to see that sometimes they can fail as well.


7 posted on 08/23/2009 7:05:26 PM PDT by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: Al B.

Howie will be disappointed to learn that McCain today backed Palin’s death panel criticisms.


8 posted on 08/23/2009 7:06:56 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Al B.

Fry me a gizzard, Kurtz.


9 posted on 08/23/2009 7:07:41 PM PDT by Rocko (Report this post to flag@whitehouse.gov)
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To: Al B.
death panel,obamacare,politics,satire,obama
10 posted on 08/23/2009 7:08:17 PM PDT by Flag_This (No, Massoud, there are no men left in Washington.)
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To: Al B.

Howard you are a whore. A Democrat whore. There isn’t any journalism in anything you do.


11 posted on 08/23/2009 7:08:23 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: Al B.
So this one time in a million years, journalists got involved in the debate and they failed to persuade public opinion?

The solution is simple. Journalists should never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever interject their personal opinion into news stories again.
12 posted on 08/23/2009 7:09:38 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (This Little Piggie Gets Wee Wee'd Up All The Way Home)
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To: Al B.
Perhaps journalists are no more trusted than politicians these days

it ain't 'perhaps' and it ain't 'these days.' It's been that way for quite a while, but health care just brought it out. They know some of what the bill says, and they don't buy it, no matter what you say. They know the hidden message in the bill, and denying it won't work. There is no 'death panel' but the whole bill is the equivalent. Just cut back care for those last months of life and there is the solution. Don't need no stinkin panel.

13 posted on 08/23/2009 7:12:05 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Obama - fooling fewer people every day.)
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To: Al B.

As long as they don’t do anything but parrot the Dem talking points, who needs them? We’ve already heard everything they have to say.


14 posted on 08/23/2009 7:12:35 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Al B.

Sarah Palin never said anything about euthanasia. She never used the word. She talked about rationing.


15 posted on 08/23/2009 7:13:01 PM PDT by Krankor
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To: Al B.

Howard Kurtz still hasn’t stop MAKING THINGS UP!

We aren’t as stupid AS YOU THINK, Howard! And we are proving you to be a liar on so many things. We know how you twist words to make them fit your agenda. We know how you crop photos to fit your story (ask MSNBC what color that guy was holding the gun - the photo was cropped as not to show that).

When you lose the trust of the people, Howard, you don’t usually get it back! Just remember that the next time you MAKE SOMETHING UP! Remember that the next time you want to trash SARAH PALIN!

And, if you were intellectually honest you would report that Sarah Palin was also talking about the GOVERNMENT OPTION that would have rationed care which would choose who gets care and who doesn’t. What do you call that, Howard?!

Many of us READ THE BILL, Howard. How about you? Did you READ THE BILL, Howard?! If not, then SHUT UP! You don’t know what you are talking about!


16 posted on 08/23/2009 7:14:01 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Al B.
the former Alaska governor's claim that government panels would make euthanasia decisions was clearly debunked

The only thing being debunked is the author's claim to intellectual honesty, fair dealing, and credibility. The only way to control the cost of health care is to ration it. That's what socialism does: rations the available goods and services. And when a service is rationed by government, decisions regarding who gets what become politicized. Again, that's what always happens. And in case after case, when health care is rationed based on political considerations, the primary basis of that rationing is a patient's age, health, past history, and current life expectancy. You won't be able to find a single counterexample. The author knows this full well. That's why we know he's deliberately trying to decieve.

17 posted on 08/23/2009 7:14:52 PM PDT by sourcery (Obama Lied. The Economy Died!)
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To: Al B.

Good. Let’s leave Howard Kurtz out of some more debates. Then people might actually learn the truth about the Marxists he so loves to serve.


18 posted on 08/23/2009 7:15:23 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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To: Al B.

They’ve got nothing useful to say.


19 posted on 08/23/2009 7:15:29 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Texas Eagle

Dang... I sure hope that word sticks - it is so appropriate.

NEWSHOLES! Exactly what they are...


20 posted on 08/23/2009 7:15:55 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Al B.
"The crackling, often angry debate over health-care reform has severely tested the media's ability to untangle a story of immense complexity."

Yeah, it severely tested the media's ability to cover-up and hide the facts from the American public. The internet will be the death of the Wa. Post yet! Hurry up and fold Washington Post! And take Howard with you!

21 posted on 08/23/2009 7:16:47 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: Al B.
Journalists, Left Out of The Debate

Good. You don't BELONG in the debate. You are supposed to rport both sides accurately. Start doing that first. Remember the old days? Too dang many 'pundits' and 'columnists' trying to tell us what to think, not enough old-fashioned reporters.

22 posted on 08/23/2009 7:16:55 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Obama - fooling fewer people every day.)
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To: Al B.
A must read :

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2322458/posts?page=12#12

23 posted on 08/23/2009 7:17:45 PM PDT by GOPJ (Journalists - - stenographers for Democrats - it wasn't always that way...)
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To: Al B.

Few urinalists seem to hear the truth; they only want to wee wee on it.


24 posted on 08/23/2009 7:18:15 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Al B.
On Aug. 13, the Senate Finance Committee pulled the plug on the provision

They killed the death panel provision?

25 posted on 08/23/2009 7:18:57 PM PDT by OCC
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To: Al B.
There are about five absurd statements in Kurtz's piece. It's rather obvious Howie relies the media reports rather than read the bill or speak to a protester himself.

But one was especially juicy:

Beck's charge (of racism) was so incendiary -- and bizarre, considering that Obama's mother was white...

Has Howie not heard? Obama dissed his own grandmother for being white. His recitation on his audio books takes on a different, more menacing tone when he speaks of white people. Recall the obvious rush to judgment against a white policeman. Not to mention, Howie, that Obama's mother hated white people, too.

The liberal media is not just biased. They're terminally stupid.

26 posted on 08/23/2009 7:19:09 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Al B.
Cost cutting, health plans approved by gov, mandatory coverage, electronic access to health records, access to bank accounts, mandatory enrollment in gov plan if between jobs - prohibiting private plan enrollment, hiring medical “ethicists”, excluding unions, medicare and SS underfunded by $100 trillion, requiring vets to pay for their combat injuries (from another plan) - connect the dots dolts...
27 posted on 08/23/2009 7:19:18 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: Krankor
Sarah Palin never said anything about euthanasia. She never used the word. She talked about rationing.

Yep, and she only used the phrase 'death panels' twice in her various postings. As Kurtz said, the media used it at least 198 times in the first 10 days.

Thanks media. PWNED by the 'Wasilla chillbilly'...LMAO.

28 posted on 08/23/2009 7:19:24 PM PDT by Al B. (Dennis Miller on why he loves Sarah Palin: "She bugs all the right people")
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To: Deagle
Dang... I sure hope that word sticks - it is so appropriate.

Heh, heh. I took a liking to it right away my own self. I wish I could take credit for coming up with it. The credit goes to a radio guy named Joe Getty who co-hosts The Armstrong & Getty Show here in Sacramento.

29 posted on 08/23/2009 7:19:58 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Al B.
Kurtz is desperately trying to rationalize how an ex-Governor who supposedly was finished completely turned the healthcare debate upside-down and put the Zero administration on its heels.

If conservatives want to win, then we need to start being passionate and inject some emotion in the debate.

30 posted on 08/23/2009 7:21:19 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("It (Gov't) can't make you happier, healthier, wealthier, and wise" - Sarah Palin 07/26)
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To: Al B.; LibreOuMort
"Journalists, Left Out of The Debate"

Journalists have long since proved themselves to be nothing but biased shills.

Lower than used-car salesmen and congresscritters. (I have one example of each of these categories as trustworthy folks.)

If they end up unemployed, I will cheer. They spent decades trashing their professionalism -- let the liars rot. In government Projects.

There they will be among their own ilk.

31 posted on 08/23/2009 7:23:06 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: Al B.

Will Obamacare pay for a lobotomy for Kurtz?


32 posted on 08/23/2009 7:23:28 PM PDT by Rocky (OBAMA: Succeeding where bin Laden failed.)
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To: Al B.
they (media) have had trouble influencing public opinion

No kidding! And what is wrong with that?! YOU (media) shouldn't be able to INFLUENCE PUBLIC OPINION. You should REPORT THE FACTS and let people decide!

33 posted on 08/23/2009 7:26:30 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Al B.
What do you call a "journalist" with his camera smashed on the street in front of him?

One heck of a good start!

34 posted on 08/23/2009 7:26:31 PM PDT by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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To: Al B.

We all hope and prey that Kurz gets his eyesight back in time to read the bill someday.


35 posted on 08/23/2009 7:26:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ABQHispConservative
Yeah, that's why they took it off.

Exactly!

How do you remove something if it wasn't there?!

36 posted on 08/23/2009 7:27:29 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Al B.
Oh jeepers. She's using Alinsky tactics on them and want to cry foul. Boo Hoo.
37 posted on 08/23/2009 7:28:33 PM PDT by redk
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To: Krankor
Sarah Palin never said anything about euthanasia. She never used the word. She talked about rationing.

Howard is obviously not taking his own advice. STOP MAKING THINGS UP, Howard!

38 posted on 08/23/2009 7:28:42 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Rocky

Another one? I think he’s used up his lifetime cap on lobotomies.


39 posted on 08/23/2009 7:29:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Al B.

they were NOT debunked...you slimy bug.


40 posted on 08/23/2009 7:31:46 PM PDT by The Wizard (Democrat Party: a criminal enterprise)
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To: redk
Oh jeepers. She's using Alinsky tactics on them and want to cry foul. Boo Hoo.

In honor of your post, I'll roll out my alternate tagline...LOL.

41 posted on 08/23/2009 7:31:54 PM PDT by Al B. (Sarah Palin: "Alinsky, you magnificent bastard! I read your book!")
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To: Al B.

Don’t any of the so called journalists have families? Don’t they have babies, grandparents, special needs relatives? They must be able to at least realize that they themselves and their spouses will one day fall under Emmanuel’s quota system for health care. Good Lord. Wake up people!


42 posted on 08/23/2009 7:33:49 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: abb; weegee
For once, mainstream journalists did not retreat to the studied neutrality of quoting dueling antagonists.

Do you believe this guy...?

43 posted on 08/23/2009 7:36:16 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: sourcery

Howard Kurtz obviously doesn’t read his own paper.

Washington Post article...

Undue Influence
The House Bill Skews End-of-Life Counsel

By Charles Lane
Saturday, August 8, 2009

Section 1233 of the health-care bill drafted in the Democratic-led House, which would pay doctors to give Medicare patients end-of-life counseling every five years — or sooner if the patient gets a terminal diagnosis.

Until now, federal law has encouraged end-of-life planning — gently. In 1990, Congress required health-care institutions (not individual doctors) to give new patients written notice of their rights to make living wills, advance directives and the like — but also required them to treat patients regardless of whether they have such documents.

The 1997 ban on assisted-suicide support specifically allowed doctors to honor advance directives. And last year, Congress told doctors to offer a brief chat on end-of-life documents to consenting patients during their initial “Welcome to Medicare” physical exam. That mandate took effect this year.

Section 1233, however, addresses compassionate goals in disconcerting proximity to fiscal ones.

Section 1233, however, lets doctors initiate the chat and gives them an incentive — money — to do so. Indeed, that’s an incentive to insist.

Patients may refuse without penalty, but many will bow to white-coated authority. Once they’re in the meeting, the bill does permit “formulation” of a plug-pulling order right then and there. So when Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.) denies that Section 1233 would “place senior citizens in situations where they feel pressured to sign end-of-life directives that they would not otherwise sign,” I don’t think he’s being realistic.

What’s more, Section 1233 dictates, at some length, the content of the consultation. The doctor “shall” discuss “advanced care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to”; “an explanation of . . . living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses” (even though these are legal, not medical, instruments); and “a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families.” The doctor “shall” explain that Medicare pays for hospice care (hint, hint).

Admittedly, this script is vague and possibly unenforceable. What are “key questions”? Who belongs on “a list” of helpful “resources”? The Roman Catholic Church? Jack Kevorkian?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/07/AR2009080703043.html


44 posted on 08/23/2009 7:38:04 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Al B.
The press continues to mis-characterize the opposition to HR 3200 as angry, misinformed bussed in shills for the special interest groups like the insurance lobby and big Pharma, repeating silly chants instead of addressing our concerns in a serious fashion when actually the opposite is true.

When a bunch of us decided to protest Rep. Lois Capps office when she refused to hold a Town Hall meeting about health care legislation, we were greeted by thugs wearing matching T-Shirts and carrying mostly matching printed signs. We were just a bunch of folks who met during the Tax Day Tea Party and we circulated an email about our plans to meet in front of Rep. Capps office. The America Works folks, PUEBLO, SEUI folks, SB Action group, etc showed up early and took the corners and tried to intimidate average citizens from coming to ask questions about the bill. We still had a great showing and I was especially impressed by the young people who showed up in support of Freedom. Here is my favorite video from the Freedom Rally but there were many people who read from the bill and asked intelligent questions while the ACORNERS chanted "What do we want?" and then "When do we want it?". It was absolutely ignorant and childish.

Here is my favorite clip from a young man named Justin Tevis who is running for Santa Barbara City Council. He is a very well educated young man with a degree in International Studies and History from Claremont. He has also studied abroad in Chile and Israel. He is a very bright and passionate young man.

Twenty-Something Justin Tevis passionately expresses his love of the Free Market

45 posted on 08/23/2009 7:38:09 PM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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To: Al B.

Senators exclude end-of-life provision from bill

Thu Aug 13, 1:55 pm ET

WASHINGTON – Key senators are excluding a provision on end-of-life care from health overhaul legislation after language in a House bill caused a furor.

Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa, top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said in a statement Thursday that the provision had been dropped from consideration because it could be misinterpreted or implemented incorrectly.

A health care bill passed by three House committees allows Medicare to reimburse doctors for voluntary counseling sessions about end-of-life decisions. But critics have claimed the provision could lead to death panels and euthanasia for seniors.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_end_of_life_2


46 posted on 08/23/2009 7:40:49 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Texas Eagle

Heh...well, thanks for the information. It does have a nice ring to it! Keep spreading it around and it will become the norm..ha...


47 posted on 08/23/2009 7:42:23 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: GOPJ

Great read, thanks.


48 posted on 08/23/2009 7:43:06 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: Al B.
"For all the sound and fury, news organizations have labored to explain the intricacies of the competing blueprints. "NBC Nightly News" ran a piece examining how Obama's public health-insurance option would work. ABC's "World News " did a fact check on the end-of-life provision in the bill. "CBS Evening News" highlighted problems with the current system by interviewing some of the 1,500 people waiting at a free makeshift clinic in Los Angeles. Time ran a cover story on health care, titled "Paging Dr. Obama." And major newspapers have been filled with articles examining the nitty-gritty details. Those who say the media haven't dug into the details aren't looking very hard".

And there we have it. The MSM has lost control...and they know it.

49 posted on 08/23/2009 7:46:44 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Al B.

Our so-called journalists are inept. What else is new?


50 posted on 08/23/2009 7:48:50 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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