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Senate Democrats Consider Tactic to Push Through Government Health Plan
New York Times ^ | August 24, 2009 | Robert Pear

Posted on 08/23/2009 8:04:24 PM PDT by reaganaut1

Senate Democrats said Sunday that they were fleshing out plans to pass health legislation, particularly the option of a new government-run insurance program, with a simple majority, instead of the 60 votes that would ordinarily be needed to overcome a filibuster.

After consulting experts in Senate rules and procedure, the Democrats said they were increasingly confident that they could legislate creation of a public plan in a way that would withstand challenges expected from Republicans.

Appearing Sunday on the NBC News program “Meet the Press,” Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, the third-ranking Democrat in the Senate, said a public insurance plan was “essential to getting the costs down, which is our No. 1 problem.”

Proponents of a public plan say it would drive down costs because it would not have a profit motive and would have lower overhead costs and lower executive salaries than private insurance companies.

In Colorado on Aug. 15, President Obama said people had become “fixated” on the public plan option, which he described as “just one sliver” of efforts to overhaul the health care system.

Mr. Schumer said it was “looking less and less likely” that Republicans would support Democratic proposals to subsidize coverage for tens of millions of the uninsured. And Senate Democratic leaders said they had little hope that the chairman of the Finance Committee, Senator Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana, would be able to forge a bipartisan compromise.

In the last week, Democrats have begun to talk openly of using a procedure known as budget reconciliation to pass a health bill in the Senate with a simple majority, assuming no Republican support.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; bhohealthcare; communism; democrats; dncstrategy; donttreadonme; healthinsurance; liberalfascism; obamacare; publicoption; reconciliation; schumer; senate; senatedemocrats; socialism; socializedmedicine
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1 posted on 08/23/2009 8:04:24 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Of course, this assumes few of the bluedogs seize upon opposing the old guard leadership now as a pathway to future power.


2 posted on 08/23/2009 8:07:45 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: reaganaut1

“Mr. Schumer said it was “looking less and less likely” that Republicans would support Democratic proposals”

I sure hope Chucky is right.


3 posted on 08/23/2009 8:07:52 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: reaganaut1
If you clowns pass this monstrosity, you're guaranteeing yourselves this will be your last term in office. If you kill it, you'll survive politically albeit just barely.

So, I trillion-dollar-budget-dare you.

4 posted on 08/23/2009 8:09:12 PM PDT by kromike
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To: reaganaut1
Proponents of a public plan say it would drive down costs because it would not have a profit motive and would have lower overhead costs and lower executive salaries than private insurance companies.

Remind me again of the "executive salaries" at Freddie and Fannie (or the US Postal Service, for that matter)?

5 posted on 08/23/2009 8:09:33 PM PDT by The Duke ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party?")
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To: reaganaut1

I think Republicans will hang as a block against a public option. Question is whether they can get enough Blue Dogs to peel off. With the way the town halls have been going, I would guess not.


6 posted on 08/23/2009 8:09:37 PM PDT by randita (Chains we can bereave in.)
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To: reaganaut1

Go ahead Chuckie, make our day!!!


7 posted on 08/23/2009 8:10:03 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...


Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care PING LIST

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**This is a high volume ping list! (sign of the times)**


8 posted on 08/23/2009 8:10:03 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Parley Baer

this plan should be killed dead, but chucky chesse and his asshole friends have complete contempt for the country


9 posted on 08/23/2009 8:10:12 PM PDT by The Wizard (Democrat Party: a criminal enterprise)
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To: reaganaut1
“essential to getting the costs down, which is our No. 1 problem.”

Then why no tort reform, Chuckie?
10 posted on 08/23/2009 8:10:58 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (This Little Piggie Gets Wee Wee'd Up All The Way Home)
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To: reaganaut1

As I said in another thread........the PERFECT ‘scenario’. Teddy Kennedy ‘kicks the bucket’ will do the trick. Is Zero planning to ‘visit’ his ‘establishment’ whilst in ‘Mahthahs Vinyhad’? /s


11 posted on 08/23/2009 8:11:26 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” -George Orwell)
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To: reaganaut1
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"Screw America! We've got 20 million Mexican National voters we've got to worry about!"

12 posted on 08/23/2009 8:11:42 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (January 20th, 2013)
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To: Parley Baer
“Mr. Schumer said it was “looking less and less likely” that Republicans would support Democratic proposals”

What Republicans? I thought there was like 30 some in the entire Senate, including RINO's.
13 posted on 08/23/2009 8:12:06 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (This Little Piggie Gets Wee Wee'd Up All The Way Home)
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To: reaganaut1

This is all BS from the Dems.

The Republicans have no control. If anyone tanks the plan its some democrats who are in conservative areas and are vulnerable for re-election.

To them to paint it as a republican block is pure politics because it’s pure bull.


14 posted on 08/23/2009 8:12:22 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: reaganaut1; Free ThinkerNY; Nachum; freekitty; 2ndDivisionVet; No Surrender No Retreat; Piquaboy; ..

RATs and this Administration can make it official and just “declare war” on the American people. That should go over big time like it did in 1776. We’ll all see how the American people take to RAT in-your-face arrogance and intended dictatorship. I’m betting it won’t go over well at all. They can start packing now.


15 posted on 08/23/2009 8:12:48 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Parley Baer

Snowe and Collins will vote for it. Chafee probably. If any three will it will be them.


16 posted on 08/23/2009 8:13:22 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: reaganaut1

EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS VIDEO. PLEASE HELP TO MAKE IT VIRAL BEFORE CHUCKY AND THE BOYS SCREW US OVER (AGAIN):

UNINSURED IN AMERICA (THE REAL FIGURES!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKCWbq18bNk


17 posted on 08/23/2009 8:14:02 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: reaganaut1
Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, the third-ranking Democrat in the Senate, said a public insurance plan was “essential to getting the costs down, which is our No. 1 problem.”
Wha-a-a-t?!

I thought expanding coverage to the 40-something million Americans without health care was the #1 problem.

These guys are throwing everything they can think of against the wall praying something will stick. They need to stick the whole program, along with their heads, where the sun don't shine.


18 posted on 08/23/2009 8:15:41 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: reaganaut1

Isn’t part of the health care plan an individual mandate requiring people to have health insurance (either the government plan or from a private company)? Where does the Constitution give the federal government the authority to require a person to give part of his or her wealth to a third party? (Since 1913, the 16th amendment has allowed the government to require people to give money to itself, but that’s different.)


19 posted on 08/23/2009 8:16:03 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: reaganaut1

I wish some reporter out there with any nuts would ask a loser like Schumer what he’s going to do when the states exercise their 10th amendment rights and ignore this monstrosity.


20 posted on 08/23/2009 8:16:24 PM PDT by NoobRep
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To: reaganaut1

Bring it, Schmucky.


21 posted on 08/23/2009 8:17:04 PM PDT by Dinah Lord
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To: reaganaut1

Go ahead.
Let the lib tools push it through.
In a short time, ever moron(sp?) that
votes for it will be tarred and feathered -
and clearly out of office.
Our country needs this purge of creeps.


22 posted on 08/23/2009 8:18:21 PM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: reaganaut1
Proponents of a public plan say it would drive down costs because it would not have a profit motive and would have lower overhead costs and lower executive salaries than private insurance companies.

Precisely why it will crowd-out and kill the private sector. Anybody who knows the industry knows that this type of "competition" has been tried with Homeowners insurance (FAIR Plans) and Auto insurance (Assigned Risk plans). In every case the state monopoly underpriced the underwriting, ran up huge deficits and sought a fix by assessing (taxing) the private insurers and/or the taxpayers. Just ask any Florida resident how happy they are with their state run Citizens Ins Company.

23 posted on 08/23/2009 8:20:10 PM PDT by JrsyJack (There's a little Jim Thompson in all of us)
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To: ExTexasRedhead; bamahead

Could it be they’re willing to lose control of Congress to get this enacted?


24 posted on 08/23/2009 8:20:13 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: reaganaut1

Totalitarianism, pure and simple.


25 posted on 08/23/2009 8:21:02 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: reaganaut1

Will it be possible to ‘reverse’ this bill at some point? (if it passes)


26 posted on 08/23/2009 8:21:22 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Hey............How's that Hope and Change Thingy workin' for ya?)
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To: reaganaut1

I think the tactic when used to subvert the will of the people is called dictatorship or treason, depending on your perspective.


27 posted on 08/23/2009 8:24:07 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: reaganaut1

This is the “nuclear” option and the Republicans considered using it when the Democrats filibustered every single judicial nominee.

Maverick John McCain came to the Democrats’ rescue at the last minute.


28 posted on 08/23/2009 8:24:07 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Health Care Reform has met the DEATH Panel.)
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To: Outlaw Woman
Will it be possible to ‘reverse’ this bill at some point?

No, because once private insurance is eliminated, there will be nothing to go back to.

29 posted on 08/23/2009 8:25:18 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Health Care Reform has met the DEATH Panel.)
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To: reaganaut1

Do you need 51 senators present for a Quorum?


30 posted on 08/23/2009 8:25:31 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Could it be they’re willing to lose control of Congress to get this enacted?

Simply...NO. This is all about solidifying power over the people. There are no altruistic motives here despite all the spin. They want the power that comes with controlling 16% of the economy and the future ability to mandate lifestyle changes in return for health care benefits.

31 posted on 08/23/2009 8:28:22 PM PDT by JrsyJack (There's a little Jim Thompson in all of us)
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To: reaganaut1

And some of us wonder why vampire books and movies have become so wildly popular lately...


32 posted on 08/23/2009 8:31:21 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I’m betting right along with you.


33 posted on 08/23/2009 8:31:22 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: All
Let's pray some 'blue dogs' say NO!


34 posted on 08/23/2009 8:36:29 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: reaganaut1

The govt. plan does not need, by some of their own anticipatory statements, 90% of the specialists now in practice, and in shortage to the public, as the govt cut all specialist training positions by 25% in 2000/2001 nationally. Cutting out private insurance carriers and reducing practice incomes of the private practice docs to medicare or below, levels of reimbursement will force them from practice. They cannot be absorbed into salaried hospital positions. The public, in ignorance, is about to see their MD populations reduced beyond what will be their pleasure and they will be trapped in a static world of rigidly controlled health MANAGEMENT with no recourse to draconian policies by ‘committee’...soooo collectively utopian with real results in the dredful arenas of imagination.

Here is the recent link related to socialist medicine, NO IMAGINATION:
http://mises.org/story/3650


35 posted on 08/23/2009 8:39:06 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: Secret Agent Man
This is all BS from the Dems.

The Dems are going to pass this up to the last second and try to spook some Republicans to vote for it, much like a football team on 4th down try to get the opposing defense off-sides with a hard count.

36 posted on 08/23/2009 8:41:32 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("It (Gov't) can't make you happier, healthier, wealthier, and wise" - Sarah Palin 07/26)
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To: givemELL

“The govt. plan does not need, by some of their own anticipatory statements, 90% of the specialists now in practice, and in shortage to the public, as the govt cut all specialist training positions by 25% in 2000/2001 nationally.”

Well, at least we’ll have enough lawyers. You can always go to an attorney if you’re sick. After all, the best way to reduce health care costs is to die. If everyone who gets government money for health care would die before they receive expensive treatments, we could make big inroads on the deficit, and that would free up money for more important things, like funds for ACORN, and bailouts for union owned auto makers.

Sure glad I spent all those years of my life in specialty training.


37 posted on 08/23/2009 8:48:18 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Secret Agent Man

Chafee’s gone


38 posted on 08/23/2009 8:49:11 PM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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To: reaganaut1

Is there any doubt left that the primary purpose of nationalized health care insurance is to increase the power of the left in this country? The sad thing is the extent to which individuals do not see the power grab for what it is. Also, before I forget, this should make clear to the GOP once and for all that “big business” is not a constituency for them (ie the pharma companies striking a deal with the White House to promote this nationalization, GE, etc...)

There’s a term for a political movement which becomes a secular religion of the state and which drags in large private interests to its web. But of course it’s the pissed off retiree who castigates a congressman who’s the true fascist.

The left is comprised of those of limited means who expect something for nothing and those of means who don’t expect to have to use the crappy state run programs they want to foist on the people.

I don’t get it. Has this country not learned from recent history? Ten years ago a leftist president was proclaiming the end of the “era of big government” and yet here we are in the 21st century with idiots clamoring for the creation of a 1960s-ish bureaucratic monstrosity to control one-fifth of the nation’s economy.

This nonsense has been played out again and again in human history. It doesn’t work. It stagnates economies, destroys liberty, and pits group against group.

Leftists don’t understand a thing about economic growth and wealth and job creation. They think job creation is about taking the money of the character in the Monopoly board game and dispensing it through the federal department of job creation. They want to kill the economic goose which has provided so many golden eggs (and jobs) to this country over the years and resulted in a large and independent middle class. They hate this. It may seem quaint, but these knuckleheads live and breathe Marx. They believe they are fighting the great class war and their enemy is the American bourgeois, as well as those entrepreneurs who risk their money and time to pursue their dream and create plenty of jobs and opportunities along the way for others.

The results of nationalizing health care and some kind of cap and trade nonsense passing will be felt swiftly and severly in this country. It will absolutely kill any chance of regaining the robust economic and job growth Americans have come to take for granted. Investment will go elsewhere.

This seems rather obvious. So why is it happening? Simple. It’s a political power grab, which happens to fit the ideology of the left. These moves will increase the political power of the left in this country by making Americans yet more dependent upon the federal government. Just take a look at how older Americans react to any proposed changes in Medicare and Social Security (nevermind the looming financial cluster both of those represent or the $2 trillion deficit the federal government faces this fiscal year).

This crap absolutely has to be defeated. Or else we are going to be telling our children and grandchildren what living in a free and prosperous America used to be like.


39 posted on 08/23/2009 8:53:14 PM PDT by Harry Wurzbach
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To: givemELL
The govt. plan does not need, by some of their own anticipatory statements, 90% of the specialists now in practice,

What happens to all the doctors that took out massive loans to get through school that will no longer be able to make a high enough salary to pay them back? And going forward, what person in their right mind would want to shell out the big bucks to become some cookie-cutter physician that all they get to do is say turn your head and cough?

40 posted on 08/23/2009 8:55:27 PM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: givemELL
OK I've heard this all before. Doctors will leave their practices.What are they going to do? A doctor spends 12 years minimum after HS to get his degree, license and certification. What does he do, walk away and open up a Dipping Dots stand in a mall? To me this is the weakest argument against Obamacare or any govt program.

You will have fewer people entering the profession as the rewards are reduced. But that's for the future.

41 posted on 08/23/2009 8:55:28 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Jeff Chandler

No, that was different. They were going to change the rules of the senate to stop filibusters on judicial nominees, which was something the Dems were doing that hadn’t been done before. They weren’t going to remove the filibuster entirely or push through legislation that nobody wanted.


42 posted on 08/23/2009 8:56:42 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: Go Gordon
And going forward, what person in their right mind would want to shell out the big bucks to become some cookie-cutter physician that all they get to do is say turn your head and cough?

Someone who would never get in to a medical school today and would jump at the opportunity to be a doctor once the bar is lowered.

43 posted on 08/23/2009 9:02:10 PM PDT by JrsyJack (There's a little Jim Thompson in all of us)
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To: Jeff Chandler

It’s good that someone here recalls recent history.


44 posted on 08/23/2009 9:05:03 PM PDT by Postman
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To: reaganaut1
It is only mildly amazing to me that now, today, with this President, Democrats are concerned about reducing the overall cost of healthcare!

Pass this bill at your own peril is my thought.

There is a storm brewing!

45 posted on 08/23/2009 9:09:42 PM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: Parley Baer

But what Chucky didn’t tell you was that no GOP votes are required to pass the bill.

The Dems may not even have 50 votes for it.


46 posted on 08/23/2009 9:10:58 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (Evil-Mongering Angry Mobster)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Chafee?


47 posted on 08/23/2009 9:12:03 PM PDT by Boiling Pots (Evil-Mongering Angry Mobster)
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To: xkaydet65
OK I've heard this all before. Doctors will leave their practices.What are they going to do? A doctor spends 12 years minimum after HS to get his degree, license and certification. What does he do, walk away and open up a Dipping Dots stand in a mall? To me this is the weakest argument against Obamacare or any govt program.

Assuming that Obamacare essentially begins dictating how much doctors will earn by fixing prices for services, a Dipping Dots franchise may be more profitable when overhead and malpractice insurance cost more than what a doctor can earn under Obamacare.
48 posted on 08/23/2009 9:16:06 PM PDT by LostInBayport (Ted Kennedy: Receiving the world's best health care while legislating that everyone else never does)
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To: Jeff Chandler
No, because once private insurance is eliminated, there will be nothing to go back to.

I still have a little hope.

Depending on how the government option is worded, it may be possible that a few companies can offer private insurance to cover: (1) faster treatment, (2) higher level care, and (3) care which has been denied by the death panel.

These companies could be the nucleus of a return to private care.

Otherwise, as a senior, I expect I will be paying cash for most of my treatment in Mexico. May even have to move there to get reasonable medical care.

49 posted on 08/23/2009 9:23:33 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Secret Agent Man
Chafee lost in 2006.
50 posted on 08/23/2009 9:23:50 PM PDT by ncalburt (Read all about)
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