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Senate Democrats Consider Tactic to Push Through Government Health Plan
New York Times ^ | August 24, 2009 | Robert Pear

Posted on 08/23/2009 8:04:24 PM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: reaganaut1
This is the NY Slimes wet dream .
The Repubs would simply demand the entire bill be read on the floor which would shut down the senate for up to a year.And they have already told Harry Reid they would if forced .
51 posted on 08/23/2009 9:30:05 PM PDT by ncalburt (Read all about)
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To: MrEdd

Blue Dogs=House


52 posted on 08/23/2009 9:31:52 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (f)
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To: reaganaut1

They operate by their own rules. We haven’t the will to fight back (Rs in office).

This is not going to be pleasant.


53 posted on 08/23/2009 9:32:21 PM PDT by wastedyears (Genesis, Sega CD and Saturn work, and my 360 red rings after 2 and a half years.)
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To: ncalburt

It’s just a reflex, I always lumped those three together ever since I can remember.

He WOULD vote for it if he was still there.


54 posted on 08/23/2009 9:35:10 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: CurlyDave

Is private pay for benefits denied by Medicare permitted today?


55 posted on 08/23/2009 9:35:11 PM PDT by JrsyJack (There's a little Jim Thompson in all of us)
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To: reaganaut1
Appearing Sunday on the NBC News program “Meet the Press,” Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, the third-ranking Democrat in the Senate, said a public insurance plan was “essential to getting the costs down taking control of this country, which is our No. 1 problem goal.” There, fixed it.
56 posted on 08/23/2009 9:49:12 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: xkaydet65
Doctors will leave their practices...

Are you familiar with the term Brain Drain? It was invented by the British after professionals packed up their bags and left the country. That's what some Doctors will do. They will go overseas.

57 posted on 08/23/2009 9:51:57 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: reaganaut1
Proponents of a public plan say it would drive down costs because it would not have a profit motive and would have lower overhead costs and lower executive salaries than private insurance companies.

In other words, people who don't understand the basics of capitalism swear up and down that their program is economically viable. Yeah, no.

58 posted on 08/23/2009 9:55:12 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: randita

I think Republicans will hang as a block against a public option.”

Good.

Even better:Republicans will hang as a block against higher taxes, mandates, more regulation on health insurance that just drives costs up, and against any bill that fails to include tort reform.


59 posted on 08/23/2009 10:10:22 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: randita

Not in the House but I am not sure they have 51 votes in the Senate to pass this crap. With a public option they get no Republican votes — Snowe said she would not support a public option after being back in Maine so looks like the GOP will stick together.

Let them own this bill against the wishes of the American people. Lieberman said today until they get the cost way down it should not be voted on so I am guessing he is not a sure vote. I don’t see many Dems in the center of the Country daring to vote for this bill so I am not sure they have 51 votes in the Senate but if they do the nuclear option, they will lose their power in 2010 and the WH in 2012.

Go ahead Dems — don’t play by the rules you wanted with the 60 votes.


60 posted on 08/23/2009 10:11:41 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin - OK Gov/Coburn - Senate 2010 ! Take Back the House/Senate! Stop ZERO!)
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To: Nateman
The Brain Drain involved scientists and engineers who saw defense cutbacks in the UK impacting their lives. They were welcomed to the US and many wound up in NASA. But they were English coming to an English speaking country and so their cultural adjustment was lessened. They were also quite sought after by industry and the DoD.

American doctors could go to the UK or Canada, but they would find the same conditions they were trying to escape. They may not be well received by their colleagues. (many Brain Drainers weren't either). Where else where a US MD could uproot his family to? India, Singapore, Mexico? If the UK had a private health system I'd accept your argument.

61 posted on 08/23/2009 10:29:13 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: reaganaut1
Democratic proposals to subsidize coverage for tens of millions of the uninsured

Did anyone ask this putz how many of these tens of millions of uninsured are illegal aliens, and why should the American people be forced to pay for insurance for people that don't belong here?

62 posted on 08/23/2009 10:33:47 PM PDT by metalurgist (Want America back? It'll take guns and rope. We're too far gone.)
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To: xkaydet65

Physician practices and groups, with the means, will lease cruise ships. They will be stationed 15-20 miles offshore.
The new industry of the future will be ferry service to and from these ships, carrying the well to do and their foot lockers full of cash.


63 posted on 08/23/2009 10:34:24 PM PDT by Artie (Why are methadone addicts the happiest people on earth?)
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To: xkaydet65
I checked it out. Reagan was right. There is nowhere else to run to. Switzerland seemed the best choice for a doctor though. Everybody has to buy insurance but policies are private market, like car insurance here. Great if you're a doctor but sucks if you believe in freedom.

(Costs keep going up since you can't opt out and more requirements for coverage keep being added)

64 posted on 08/23/2009 10:54:58 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: reaganaut1
I checked with someone who works in a Republican Senate office, asking what - other than worthless "talk" - the Republicans would do if Democrats attempted to pass healthcare reform through reconciliation.

The response was as follows:

First, Senate Republicans would be united in their opposition to use of the reconciliation process to pass health-care reform.

Second, Republicans would use every parliamentary and procedural tool available to slow or stop Senate proceedings, for example by withholding approval of unanimous consent requests, requiring the reading of legislation in its entirety, offering numerous amendments, and forcing votes on adjournment.

Third, if the Democrats still proceed under reconciliation, Republicans would offer substantial ideas and alternatives to the health-care reform bill.

In response to this, a part of me says:

"I'll believe it when I see it..."

But for starters at least it is something...

65 posted on 08/23/2009 11:06:31 PM PDT by JustTheTruth (Say "NO!" to Socialism in America!)
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To: xkaydet65

>OK I’ve heard this all before. Doctors will leave their practices.What are they going to do?<

The specialists do make quite a bit of money. Most of them can afford to pay off their loans and get out. I am betting that they do. It wont be cost effective for them to stay in.
between paying for loans, still having to pay high insurance to continue doing business, they would be better off to treat patients for cash under the table and stay away from government programs.

As in Canada right now, many physicians take bribes to give service or have pulled out of the public health care field entirely. They now charge each patient for services.

You can wait 12-18 months for a routine blood exam in Canada now through their system, or pay $800 - $900 out of you own pocket for it and get it that week.

Similarly you can have surgery done when the government can find a doctor to do it and budget your surgery or pay for it in cash and have it done immediately.

The wealthy and powerful will always have the best doctors, but the people that this monstrosity is being sold to will be shorted by health care professionals far and wide.


66 posted on 08/23/2009 11:18:05 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: metalurgist

If your talking about Chucky .. he doesn’t answer to his constituents. I have written him several times and never received a reply.

I am nothing but a surf .. a peon .. a peasant.

How I WISH HE WOULD BE UNSEATED


67 posted on 08/23/2009 11:23:14 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Verginius Rufus
I can't entirely answer your question but I remember from “The Forgotten Man” by Amity Shlaes that Social Security was sold to the Supreme Court as just a tax on income, not a transfer of $ from one citizen to another.

The President and members of Congress used to seriously take their oaths to support and defend, . . . for they are just as responsible to do so as any court. With socialists running both the executive and Congress and at least four of them on the Supreme Court, it doesn't bode well for the republic.

68 posted on 08/24/2009 3:07:28 AM PDT by Jacquerie (That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men . . .)
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To: reaganaut1
it would drive down costs because it would not have a profit motive

Stop. Right. There.

69 posted on 08/24/2009 4:23:19 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: ExTexasRedhead
They can start packing now.

...and leave their big fat pensions for life behind!

70 posted on 08/24/2009 6:26:10 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Caltholic voters were true to their faith there would be no abortion and no President Obama.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

The individual mandate violates the “contracts clause” of the 13th Amendment. By coercing citizens to enter into a contract with an insurance company they have committed us to indentured servitude. This was decided in Reynolds vs United States where the SCOTUS defined the “wheel of servitude”.


71 posted on 08/24/2009 6:42:42 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: randita

In a state like Florida, with a huge senior population, how could Bill Nelson, D, vote for this bill?


72 posted on 08/24/2009 7:03:46 AM PDT by jch10
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To: jch10

The Democrats don’t need all of their senators to vote for the bill if they use “reconciliation”—if they could count on all 60 Democrat senators they wouldn’t be thinking of reconciliation as an alternative.


73 posted on 08/24/2009 8:32:12 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Jacquerie
...a transfer of $ for one citizen to another.

What they want to do is to transfer money from citizens (seniors on Medicare) to illegal aliens. The latter will be a more reliable Democrat voting bloc.

74 posted on 08/24/2009 8:34:06 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: jch10
In a state like Florida, with a huge senior population, how could Bill Nelson, D, vote for this bill?

I just saw a poll a couple of days ago that found that about 60% of Florida's seniors are FOR this bill, even though a majority of seniors nationwide are against it. I don't know if it was an outlier but it was certainly strange. If Nelson's polls find this to be the case, he will likely not suffer for voting for it.

75 posted on 08/24/2009 8:39:23 AM PDT by randita (Chains we can bereave in.)
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To: WOSG
I think Republicans will hang as a block against a public option.”

Good, because they'll hang separately, metaphorically speaking of course, if they support it.

76 posted on 08/24/2009 7:10:53 PM PDT by JrsyJack (There's a little Jim Thompson in all of us)
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To: Secret Agent Man

well your right !


77 posted on 08/26/2009 7:58:44 PM PDT by ncalburt (Read all about)
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