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Can't stop the (free) music (Downloading)
The Boston Globe ^ | August 25, 2009 | Joseph P. Kahn

Posted on 08/24/2009 8:07:25 PM PDT by buccaneer81

Can't stop the (free) music Why last month's $675,000 judgment against a BU student won't stop people from downloading songs illegally By Joseph P. Kahn Globe Staff / August 25, 2009

iTunes wasn’t around yet, and David Tanklefsky was in the eighth grade when Napster, the now defunct music file-sharing website, became the must-go destination for computer-savvy music fans.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: downloading; music; riaa

1 posted on 08/24/2009 8:07:26 PM PDT by buccaneer81
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To: buccaneer81

Good. Anything that deprives the Hollywood Left of cash is by definition good for the USA.


2 posted on 08/24/2009 8:09:42 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: buccaneer81; raccoonradio

Can’t Stop the Globe’s Tanking.


3 posted on 08/24/2009 8:11:48 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: pnh102
Wrong, stealing is stealing.

However, I found a lot of folk her have little are no understanding of what is creative rights.

4 posted on 08/24/2009 8:29:44 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: buccaneer81

If the music companies want to really put a dent in the illegal downloading, then start selling their individual songs for around 25-cents...


5 posted on 08/24/2009 8:30:05 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: buccaneer81
If this continues, Bono of U2 won't be able to afford to self-importantly traipse around the globe and lecture the rest of us about how we should give more of our money to such non-existent causes as global warming.

Well I hereby donate all the money I would have given U2 to...global warming.

6 posted on 08/24/2009 8:33:19 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 30 days away from outliving Judy Garland)
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To: org.whodat

If I record a song off the radio, am I stealing?


7 posted on 08/24/2009 8:34:07 PM PDT by Skenderbej
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To: buccaneer81

People have been copying songs from each other since the cassette recorder came out in the early 70s. It’s just part of the price paid for putting music out in the open. The internet and the CD burner have just made it all easier.


8 posted on 08/24/2009 8:38:41 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: Skenderbej
If you use to for commercial purposes sure. However copying a piece of original work, would be termed stealing, yes.

You can copy, cut and paste etc, anything you want as long as it is considered to be in the area of general knowledge. However, that is different from a one of a kind creative works are writings and art. But you really will not get in much trouble unless you try and claim the work of others as your own.

9 posted on 08/24/2009 8:42:27 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: buccaneer81

Thieves are thieves. If they could steal clothing and shoes with the same small chance of discovery, they’d steal those, or slip into the movies without paying.

The preposterous rationalizations thieves come up with to justify their theft and demonize those they steal from can be pretty amazing.

Wonder what percentage of illegal downloaders have ever shoplifted?


10 posted on 08/24/2009 8:46:59 PM PDT by Will88
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To: org.whodat

I don’t see why downloading a song for free from the internet to put on my ipod is different from recording it off the radio.

I’ve always thought that radio waves are a public good and when you put something on the radio you are placing it in the public domain. I understand that I can’t use somebody’s music, art, etc. for profit, but I don’t really see why taking a song for my ipod is different from taking it from the radio. I can hear it all I want for free on the radio, why not get it free from the internet? Internet radio has basically the same function as p2p sharing. I could even choose to play one song over and over for free.

If I choose to video my neighbor shooting his fireworks that he bought, he can’t restrict me. As soon as he launches fireworks into the air, everyone around can see them, and he has no way to control that. I feel the same way about music. You release it on the radio waves and people can consume it for free (well, except the price of having to listen to commercials).

My wife is a musician and we benefit handsomely from CD sales. We can’t keep someone from ripping her CD and sharing it with friends after we have sold the CD. The problem with music companies is that 1. The product is obviously more expensive than what the market will bear and 2. The product is often sub-par with the exception of one or two songs on a CD.

If they really want to recapture the market, they would lower the price of a retail CD. I don’t think 99 cents is unreasonable for a single song, but they would sell more songs if they lowered their price.

/rant


11 posted on 08/24/2009 9:00:01 PM PDT by Skenderbej
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To: buccaneer81

Many of the pontificators are in businesses that got their own beginnings through stealing.


12 posted on 08/24/2009 9:06:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: Will88

I steal to protect my nation from fools like you!

Got a problem with that?


13 posted on 08/24/2009 9:08:10 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: Skenderbej
You cannot down load it because it was put on there illegally to begin with. The person that put it on the web had no right to do so.

I would bet you can copy all the music you want from the radio. Try editing out all the back ground and over lapping. It is not the same music!

14 posted on 08/24/2009 9:10:19 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: Randy Larsen

:)


15 posted on 08/24/2009 9:11:14 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: org.whodat

There is many a low-commercial FM station playing modern numbers that does not do babble overs and fade ins/outs. If you put a recording mike in front of a consumer grade radio the results are not going to be good, but with proper tuner and equalization and a direct feed, the amount of distortion introduced is well below what is introduced by loudspeakers. Back in “the day,” American manufacturers put out console AM radios that sounded as good as today’s Chinese made FM radios.

BTW, there is an express legal loophole for home radio recording, just to increase your indignancy.


16 posted on 08/24/2009 9:19:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: org.whodat

Actually, you can go straight from radio to your computer with the proper hookup. Probably easier if you have digital radio. I have gotten a USB turntable, and can put my LP’s on computer. Plus, the software has editing function to remove hiss. I have some LPs almost 50 years old which can be edited to sound almost new.

Is it right? Was it right to tell us CDs would last forever and then after we buy a gazillion, they start getting winky in a few years?

Probably not, but it ain’t going to stop. I figure that is why they push “net books”. Yeah they would like nothing better than to have all our content on line.

parsy, who thinks music companies need to get used to it.


17 posted on 08/24/2009 9:23:07 PM PDT by parsifal (Dare I mention the term common sense? Book of Vinnie - Chapter 58 Verse 1 (The Boomer Bible))
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To: buccaneer81
"...But I haven’t bought a CD in five years.’’

Those are words that make artists and music executives around the globe cringe.

But mostly music executives since artists rarely made squat from CD sales.

The days of paying for recorded music, like paying for porn, are over. Lawsuits don't deter downloading. An entire generation is growing up not knowing what it is like to fork out $12.99 for a 12 song, 50 minute compact disc.

Right or wrong, good or bad, that's just the way it is. The music industry is an anachronism. In the future, acts will enjoy regional popularity, earning money from touring. Big name artists will license out their music for commercial use.

The whole industry has been turned upside-down. The downloading genie is out of the bottle and it isn't going back in.

18 posted on 08/24/2009 9:33:24 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Randy Larsen
I steal to protect my nation from fools like you!<>/i>

Lol, you reveal a lot about yourself.

19 posted on 08/24/2009 9:34:25 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Drew68
Some will laugh, but this is a strong probable future of music.

A brilliant idea, if you ask me.

20 posted on 08/24/2009 9:36:49 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: org.whodat

re: little are no understanding of what is creative rights

These are the people who’ve never created anything. They would have a great interest in creative rights if the thing being stolen was theirs.


21 posted on 08/24/2009 10:29:54 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America, and wake us up while you're about it!)
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To: buccaneer81

Everyone is downloading free songs because they refuse to lower CD prices. The other day I walked into an FYE Store and saw NORMAL CD prices at $18.99. This is robbery. Why would anyone pay for a CD which might have 1 good song?


22 posted on 08/24/2009 10:39:08 PM PDT by FreeManWhoCan ("By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes.")
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To: buccaneer81

It’s easy to share music with friends using a mobile hard drive or thumb drive. A DJ friend has over 200 GB of music, he let’s me pick what I like and put it on a thumb drive. What can they do about sneakernet transfers?


23 posted on 08/25/2009 1:30:29 AM PDT by IDFbunny
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To: Skenderbej

No, not if you record it for your own use only.


24 posted on 08/25/2009 3:17:54 AM PDT by 101voodoo (OBAMA- THE OPIATE FOR THE DUMB ASSES)
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To: Star Traveler
"If the music companies want to really put a dent in the illegal downloading, then start selling their individual songs for around 25-cents..."

How about $.09?

Check it out

http://www.gomusicnow.com/

25 posted on 08/25/2009 3:20:58 AM PDT by 101voodoo (OBAMA- THE OPIATE FOR THE DUMB ASSES)
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To: org.whodat
Wrong, stealing is stealing.

I know. And it is for this fact that I have no problem with the Hollywood Left "losing money" (though I never got the "lost sale" argument, as most downloaders would never buy the content to begin with) by people downloading content without paying for it. I see nothing morally wrong with depriving those who hate us of money.

However, I found a lot of folk her have little are no understanding of what is creative rights.

I would say I fully understand copyright law as it pertains to music and movies, which is why my own hatred for the Hollywood Left leads me to conclude that people not respecting their rights is a morally good thing.

26 posted on 08/25/2009 3:41:41 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: FreeManWhoCan
Everyone is downloading free songs because they refuse to lower CD prices.

That's a huge part of it. As long as it is cheaper and more convenient to pirate music instead of buying a copy for each and every piece of audio equipment you own, people will do the former.

Piracy is a de facto competitor to legitimate music retailers, whether the RIAA member companies like it or not. If people are still pirating songs even when they cost 99 cents a track, it means that these people do not believe the music is worth even that much, regardless of how much it cost to produce it.

27 posted on 08/25/2009 3:45:14 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: buccaneer81

We’ve eliminated it on campus. The kids have to go off campus to do it.


28 posted on 08/25/2009 3:48:11 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: IDFbunny
It’s easy to share music with friends using a mobile hard drive or thumb drive. A DJ friend has over 200 GB of music, he let’s me pick what I like and put it on a thumb drive. What can they do about sneakernet transfers?

Exactly. Every kid has a laptop these days, and multi-GB USB flash drives are cheap. People will swap music, and the interactions will happen "under the radar". Even e-mailing mp3 files to each other.

29 posted on 08/25/2009 4:05:18 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Skenderbej

If you sing a song in your head, you’re stealing! </ riaa mode>


30 posted on 09/24/2009 10:42:36 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: SamAdams76
Well I hereby donate all the money I would have given U2 to...global warming.

I'd like to contribute some money to global warming. All these idiot lefties contributing all this money to fight it, and no one standing up on warming's side -- it just doesn't seem fair.

31 posted on 09/24/2009 10:44:21 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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