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Report: Closing Schools Wouldn't Ward Off Virus
ap ^ | Aug 25, 2009 5:21 am US/Pacific

Posted on 08/25/2009 7:28:08 AM PDT by BenLurkin

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Tuesday that a massive school closing wouldn't stop the spread of the swine flu virus, saying vaccinations must be the defense against a menace that one report said could infect up to half of the population.

"What we know is that we have the virus right now traveling around the United States," Sebelius said in a nationally broadcast interview. "And having children in a learning situation is beneficial ... What we learned last spring is that shutting a school down sort of pre-emptively doesn't stop the virus from spreading."

Sebelius appeared on NBC's "Today" show one day after a special presidential advisory panel presented a grim report to the Obama White House, saying among other things that a "plausible scenario" for the United States later this year is wide-scale infections, possibly 30,000 to 90,000 deaths, mostly among young children and young adults, and perhaps as many as 300,000 sick enough to require intensive care unit treatment at hospitals.

Asked in the interview what people should do while awaiting the arrival of a vaccine, with first supplies likely by October but most not until the Thanksgiving season, Sebelius said: "I think it's important that people begin to anticipate that we will have a vaccine. We think it's likely that we're going to need two shots for the vaccine."

She said people should plan ahead for this, particularly those with pre-existing medical conditions, pregnant women and health care industry workers.

Sebelius said federal health authorities also are recommending that people should immediately get their regular "seasonal" flu vaccine to bolster their health for the scenario yet to play out later this year regarding the swine flu virus.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbs2.com ...


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KEYWORDS: bhohhs; closing; flu; h1n1; hhs; influenza; outbreak; schools; sebelius; swineflu; virus
"With Obama's appointment of Gov. Sebelius to the Department of Health and Human Services, he might as well be appointing George Tiller, because Tiller is the one that will be pulling her strings," said Newman. "Sebelius' involvement in Kansas abortion scandals and her indebtedness to the corrupt abortion lobby makes her unfit to serve. We urge our supporters to begin contacting their Senators now to voice opposition to Sebelius' confirmation." http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS199644+02-Mar-2009+PRN20090302
1 posted on 08/25/2009 7:28:08 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/college/if-swine-flu-closes-usf-campus-classes-will-move-online/1030615

classes will move on-line if swine flu closes campus

2 posted on 08/25/2009 7:35:30 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: BenLurkin
If this flu, like the others, is seasonal—why isn't it spreading in the southern hemisphere? Aren't we all supposed to be dreading the coming fall and winter flu season? Well, its winter right now in South America. Is the H1N1 flu ravishing the population there? If not, why not?
3 posted on 08/25/2009 7:38:34 AM PDT by johnandrhonda (have you hugged your banjo today?)
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To: johnandrhonda

Stop it. You’re not allowed to make sense. ;-)


4 posted on 08/25/2009 7:40:16 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: TornadoAlley3

I guess mass vaccinations are the next thing to be shoved down our throats.

I may die from H1N1, I dont know, but they are going to have to run me down and force that needle in my arm. I get the flu every time I take one of their cure-all flu shots.


5 posted on 08/25/2009 7:40:21 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: johnandrhonda

It is spreading in the southern hemisphere:

In Australia, the state of Victoria, the hardest hit so far, reported this week that swine H1N1 now accounts for 99 per cent of all flu cases. It is a similar story in South America. In Chile, swine H1N1 is also outrunning the seasonal virus. “Ninety-eight per cent of the flu cases we have now are caused by H1N1,” Chile’s under-secretary of public health, Jeanette Vega, told a pandemic summit in Cancún, Mexico, last week. “The seasonal vaccine is useless.”

In Argentina, where authorities in the capital Buenos Aires declared a health emergency last week, health minister Juan Manzur says 90 per cent of the flu virus in circulation is swine H1N1.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327164.000-swine-flu-sweeps-the-southern-hemisphere.html


6 posted on 08/25/2009 7:48:44 AM PDT by Tucker822
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To: BenLurkin

SWINE FLU!!!! AAAAAAAAGH!!!!!

I’m sick to death of hearing about this ridiculous “H1N1” flu!!! It is NO more deadly than any other form of flu, for cryin’ out loud.

Swine flu is going to kill us all!!!
Bird flu is going to kill us all!!!
SARS is going to kill us all!!!
.......
egad.


7 posted on 08/25/2009 7:49:23 AM PDT by SandWMan (While you may not be able to legislate morality, you can legislate morally.)
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To: BenLurkin
Since when is quarantine not an effective response to infectious disease?
8 posted on 08/25/2009 7:49:27 AM PDT by Chickensoup (minestra di pollo)
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To: BenLurkin

SHE IS FREAKING LYING! 90,000 deaths? Dr. Rosenfeld on Sunday said pandemic in terms of large numbers but so far the h1n1 is very mild.
I am becoming a conspiracy nut. Do I trust the good doc whose video I just rewatched on FNC or Seblius?
I don’t believe anything anyone in this administration says.
For goodness sakes, SOMEONE PLEASE REPORT ME TO THE GOVERNMENT.


9 posted on 08/25/2009 7:49:51 AM PDT by libbylu ( Palin begins from Wasilla not only a campaign, an Iditarod of a crusade ....YEAH!)
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To: BenLurkin
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Tuesday that a massive school closing wouldn't stop the spread of the swine flu virus...

I doubt that. Seems that every 'bug' I've had for the 15 years is one that I caught from one of my kids who toted it home from school. I wonder just how often the desks & lockers in public schools get sanitized. Once a day? Once a month? Once every semester? Ever?

10 posted on 08/25/2009 7:50:32 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Venturer

http://www.naturalnews.com/Dont_Inject_Me_The_Swine_Flu_Vaccine_Song.html


11 posted on 08/25/2009 7:51:35 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: elli1
I wonder just how often the desks & lockers in public schools get sanitized. Once a day? Once a month? Once every semester? Ever?

Oh, silly... the desks get sanitized on the last day of school, right before they're stacked up for the summer.

12 posted on 08/25/2009 7:54:04 AM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: johnandrhonda
Aren't we all supposed to be dreading the coming fall and winter flu season? Well, its winter right now in South America. Is the H1N1 flu ravishing the population there? If not, why not?

My friends in Australia are getting hammered with it. They all lived, BTW.

13 posted on 08/25/2009 7:54:05 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Roark, Architect.)
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To: johnandrhonda
Well, its winter right now in South America. Is the H1N1 flu ravishing the population there? If not, why not?

This article has some of the answers.
14 posted on 08/25/2009 7:54:49 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Venturer

I have never had a flu shot and I’m not taking one now. Watch them try to force parents to have their school age children immunized with something that has not even been tested yet. It is a foregone conclusion that I will die of something - but I do try to eliminate all potential causes and I choose to believe that what comes out of a government wielded needle as the most likely!


15 posted on 08/25/2009 7:55:53 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: BenLurkin

It’s a mild flu. I have no intention of getting vaccinated for it.


16 posted on 08/25/2009 7:57:48 AM PDT by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: Venturer

The flu vaccine has been known to cause cases of guillian -Barr syndrome ( I think I spelled it correctly) They can vaccinate my dead a$$!


17 posted on 08/25/2009 7:58:13 AM PDT by Merlinator (Socialists...neuter them in 2010, Send them down the toilet in 2012.)
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To: elli1
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said Tuesday that a massive school closing wouldn't stop the spread of the swine flu virus...

I could always avoid the flu by avoiding parents. Schools and colleges are notorious Petri Dishes.

I had a boss once who had twins in day care. Every cold or flu that was going around, he brought in, every time. Finally I told him if he was sick and came into my office I'd brain him with a chair. He was a walking bioterror weapon.

18 posted on 08/25/2009 7:59:06 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Roark, Architect.)
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To: BenLurkin

This another manufactured “crisis” to draw attention away from Ozero’s disasterous reign.


19 posted on 08/25/2009 7:59:07 AM PDT by Merlinator (Socialists...neuter them in 2010, Send them down the toilet in 2012.)
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To: BenLurkin

You take the vaccination first Kathy, and we’ll see what it does to you.


20 posted on 08/25/2009 8:07:08 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Forget going Galt. Its time to go Braveheart.)
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To: BenLurkin

This swine flu and the yet to come vaccine is nothing more than an advertising campaign for federal intervention “to save us” and pay off the pharmaceuticals.


21 posted on 08/25/2009 8:22:37 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: BenLurkin

A 26 year old man from Brazil recently died (8/14) of H1N1 on Martha’s Vineyard. He had no underlying health conditions.

http://www.mvtimes.com/marthas-vineyard/news/2009/08/20/h1n1-death.php


22 posted on 08/25/2009 8:36:59 AM PDT by khnyny (Barack Obama and Chauncey Gardiner: separated at birth)
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To: SandWMan
It is NO more deadly than any other form of flu, for cryin’ out loud.

Sorry, your statement is simply untrue.

23 posted on 08/25/2009 8:40:33 AM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: elli1

My daughter’s kindergarten teacher had all of us bring in Clorox wipes, Lysol spray and hand sanitizer. The lady was obsessive about cleaning the classroom. Before they left the room each day, every kid wiped down everything.

Yet, my daughter ended up with 37 days that she was sick.
When she got it, my little one got it and then the little one ended up with a UTI because of a tipped kidney.

I pulled her out of school and both built up some immunity. They are rarely sick and mostly sniffles.

Quarantine is the only way to stop an epidemic.


24 posted on 08/25/2009 8:51:10 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: khnyny

You mean no “diagnosed” underlying health conditions.
I’d like to see the autopsy on him.

Drug use? Overweight? Smoker?


25 posted on 08/25/2009 8:53:36 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: mysterio

Your article says this...

“The virus appears to have sent hoards of people to their beds, but few - in percentage terms - to the hospital.”

It’s a flu. People get it no matter what the Letters and Numbers it’s tagged with. I’m not seeing 90,000 dead in the Southern Hemisphere.


26 posted on 08/25/2009 8:55:01 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: john in springfield

Well, how many have died from this most heinous threat to mankind?


27 posted on 08/25/2009 9:01:31 AM PDT by SandWMan (While you may not be able to legislate morality, you can legislate morally.)
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To: netmilsmom
I suggest you read the article if you haven't already. The hospital/health care community is being quite tight lipped. My guess is they're concerned about lawsuits.
28 posted on 08/25/2009 9:01:37 AM PDT by khnyny (Barack Obama and Chauncey Gardiner: separated at birth)
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To: netmilsmom

It’s hard to know how many it will kill this winter. The 90k number is a scenario in which it kills a little less than three times the number the regular flu kills each year in the US (34,000 to 36,000). It is my hope that the vaccine is an effective one and that prevention measures and general awareness lower that 90k figure significantly.


29 posted on 08/25/2009 9:04:04 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

>>It’s hard to know how many it will kill this winter.<<

It’s winter where your article takes place. Where are all the deaths?

They are drumming up a crisis. Remember, this flu has not only been around for almost a year by Christmas, but also has a component of the same flu we got as kids. That’s why seniors are not high on the list of vaccines. They have immunities. LOTS of people have already built immunities to this.

There is also the fact that the farther away a flu gets from ground zero, the weaker it is. A flu is not designed to kill a host. It is designed to perpetuate itself. If the flu killed everyone who got it, the flu would die out quickly. People are going to get sick. Those who get secondary infections could be in trouble. We have antibiotics to treat secondary infections.

If people were dropping like flies in the southern hemisphere, I’d be concerned. They aren’t. They are getting the flu, it sucks but they recover.


30 posted on 08/25/2009 9:11:18 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: khnyny
This guy?

He doesn't look like he missed many meals. And what else was he into.
Do you really expect that doctors in Martha's Vineyard to be talking freely? Really? Especially if this is a manufactured crisis? Come on!

31 posted on 08/25/2009 9:14:26 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: SandWMan

Let’s go more to the point: CFR (case fatality rate) for H1N1 is probably around 0.5%. There was a recent estimate here of 1%, but with possible underreporting of total cases, we’re probably back down to 0.5%.

This makes H1N1 roughly 5 times more deadly than the typical seasonal flu. Aside from that, we have no herd immunity, so we’re looking at probable widespread infection in the US come flu season.

If we do absolutely nothing on vaccine, 1/3rd of US population infected over the next two years (a reasonable estimate given past history of spread of new viruses such as this one) would produce around 500,000 deaths. This would be roughly 160 times as many people as died in 9/11. Of course, these would be slow, rolling, less noticeable deaths over the course of a couple of years, instead of one sudden and dramatic event.

That’s NEVER going to happen, since we’re looking at widespread vaccination that will minimize the impact of this bug. But a statement that this flu is “simply no worse than the regular flu” is asininely wrong.


32 posted on 08/25/2009 9:14:42 AM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: mysterio

Only a ‘remain at home’ restriction would make a difference. Travel would have to be highly regulated. It wouldn’t be long before the bug would start decimating law enforcement and the military especially (bivouacing would make it spread like mad among the military - there’s an article about the 61 reporting new AF cadets that caught the bug and were quarantined.)

Before long, they wouldn’t be able to enforce the order, but people will stay put to protect themselves. You may also see a culling of household pets since the bug has shown an ability to jump from human to animal and back again.

All depends on how effective the shot’s going to be, and whether the anti-virals will stand up to what’s coming, if it comes.

If it’s bad enough, will they name it ‘Captain Tripps?’


33 posted on 08/25/2009 9:14:58 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: netmilsmom

Calm down, dear lol.:)


34 posted on 08/25/2009 9:18:47 AM PDT by khnyny (Barack Obama and Chauncey Gardiner: separated at birth)
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To: john in springfield

>>Aside from that, we have no herd immunity,<<

Um, look up the reason why seniors are low on the priority list. “The experts” state that seniors have immunity to one component of this flu, because most likely, they already had that part.

This is a manufactured crisis.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason why they won’t close schools is because, IF and I mean if, it does go to pandemic, they don’t want to close the borders.


35 posted on 08/25/2009 9:21:02 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: khnyny

Huh?


36 posted on 08/25/2009 9:21:26 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: SandWMan

HOWEVER - having said that - I WILL give it this.

We AREN’T seeing a huge number of deaths in Australia. Given some of the past history of this bug to date I would’ve expected a lot more deaths by now.

So it may be that it has recently taken a turn for the milder.


37 posted on 08/25/2009 9:23:16 AM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: netmilsmom
Um, look up the reason why seniors are low on the priority list. “The experts” state that seniors have immunity to one component of this flu, because most likely, they already had that part.

True. A more accurate statement on my part would have been "We have LOW herd immunity," or "Our population below about age 52 reportedly has no immunity."

38 posted on 08/25/2009 9:25:22 AM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: netmilsmom
Stop it. You’re not allowed to make sense. ;-)

Uhhh...good question but one asked without really knowing the answer...obviously. If the poster had really KNOWN the answer...they would have known that Australia has been hit hard...as well as Argentina. Argentina is just coming out of their season...they've experienced about a 2% mortality rate and their hospital beds have been so full that there has been no room. It is just now that beds are available.

So...ask yourself: If a normal mortality rate for seasonal flu is .1%...and we are experiencing a 1% mortality rate...and at the height it could be as high as 2%...doing a little math...and if 40% get it...we could see 1.2-2 million deaths...compared to 36K.

The good news coming out of the southern hemisphere is that it is not mutating. The DNA sequence is still the same as that seen last spring. That was the biggest fear.

39 posted on 08/25/2009 9:28:17 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: netmilsmom
It’s winter where your article takes place. Where are all the deaths?

From the article :

Flu behaves differently in tropical countries, explains Dr. Anthony Mounts, an expert with the WHO's global influenza program. In the tropics flu peaks a couple of times a year, but at neither point is there as much flu activity as is seen during a true winter wave such as Canada or the countries of Northern Europe experience.
40 posted on 08/25/2009 9:41:47 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Chickensoup

Since they don’t really care how many are infected; the truth is that they really only care to ensure that the maximum number of parents are scared into gettng their kids vaccinated. Then, when the vaccine doesn’t work and the kids are infected because the schools won’t take the proper precautions, the maximum number of child bearing age adults will be sickened and die. And that’s precisely what they want to happen.


41 posted on 08/25/2009 9:44:53 AM PDT by glide625
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To: NELSON111

The question that makes sense is this.

“Is the H1N1 flu ravishing the population there?”

2% is ravishing? I found this

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/07060901/H1N1_Argentina_Explosion.html

You’re talking about 60 deaths, with no reporting on economic condition, preexisting conditions or health care. They are reporting 4000 cases in total.

I’m not seeing 90,000 deaths.


42 posted on 08/25/2009 9:46:13 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: mysterio

Not all of the Southern hemisphere is tropical.


43 posted on 08/25/2009 9:48:47 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

There’s not much that I can add to my post 29. I certainly hope that the 90k number ends up being a vast overestimation of the number of dead this flu season.


44 posted on 08/25/2009 9:50:40 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: netmilsmom
You’re talking about 60 deaths, with no reporting on economic condition, preexisting conditions or health care. They are reporting 4000 cases in total.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/05/argentina-swine-flu-deaths-double

A couple things of note. The had restrictions...closed schools...social isolation. Also...they stopped testing after a certain point...actual number of cases/deaths are much higher (just as actual cases in US is higher...because we ahve stopped testing by and large).

45 posted on 08/25/2009 9:54:49 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111

Cases are not deaths.

The flu happens.


46 posted on 08/25/2009 10:21:42 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: khnyny
I know of someone that was just released from the ICU due to pneumonia and swine flu. She was in her 7th month of her pregnancy, they delivered the baby, (who is still in the hospital) and things were very touch and go for a while. Thankfully both Mother and daughter seem to be almost ready to go.

With the exception of being pregnant, this was a very healthy 30ish year old woman.

47 posted on 08/25/2009 10:28:23 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: netmilsmom
Cases are not deaths.

Nobody says they are. But when you have more cases than normal...even when the mortality rate is the same...that means the total number is more.

Nobody is saying the world is coming to an end either...but 90K deaths...when the % of the population getting the flu increases 2-3X...it only follows that the death rate will too. Kinda logical.

48 posted on 08/25/2009 10:40:22 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: john in springfield

It seems many who have died from this were in places like Indonesia or other third world cesspools, where people die from hangnails and scraped knees.

I am not the least bit worried about Swine flu. Neither am I worried about any other flu. The news media, already insane over the flu anyway (you have to get your flu shot! You have to get your flu shot! You have to get your flu shot!), have latched onto the Swine flu so they will have something to sensationalize, and they’re riding it for all it’s worth. They did the same with Bird Flu, SARS, and they even tried it with MRSA, but they haven’t been as successful with that one as with the others.


49 posted on 08/25/2009 10:51:31 AM PDT by SandWMan (While you may not be able to legislate morality, you can legislate morally.)
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To: Chickensoup
Since when is quarantine not an effective response to infectious disease?

Since idiot parents bring their bored kids to the mall, movie theater, etc., where said kids interact with their peers and defeat the purpose of the school closures.

50 posted on 08/25/2009 12:09:19 PM PDT by Charles Martel (NRA Lifetime Member since 1984; TSRA rookie)
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