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Posted on 08/25/2009 7:56:39 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
WINNIPEG -- Martial arts instructors are condemning a Winnipeg mother's decision to enrol her bullied son in kick-boxing classes and give him permission to retaliate against his tormentors.
The mother, who asked not to be named, gave her son the green light to "kick the snot out of " his alleged tormentor when school starts next month.....
The mother said a bully has been tormenting her son for years. Both boys are in their early teens, and have attended the same school in Louis Riel School Division.
"It's about time he took a stand and stood up for himself," she said in a recent interview with the Free Press. "He has my full permission to kick the snot out of [the other boy] if he comes up to him."
Mr. Beltran and Mr. Pabuaya both stressed that selfdefence preaches mental discipline before physical training. Both emphasize verbal interaction to avoid heated confrontations.....
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I agree with the mom..kick the snot out of him. How many years of bullying is one supposed to take? (Since bullies seem to grow up to be SEIU/Acorn types lets teach them lessons earlier in life.)
So the kid should just shut up and allow himself to be used as a punching bag?
If you want to stop a bully, let him know you're willing to stand up and fight.
Good for mom!
That is pretty much the way I feel about this type of situation.
We've mystified the (Asian) Martial Arts so much in the west, its pathetic, which is why I was such a huge fan of Mixed Martial Arts, when it showed that hey, its just another way to fight.
This kid needs to be shown how he can be quiet, confident, and avoid confrontation when he can. But when he can't, he needs to be able to defend himself with whatever means neccessary.
I have two young sons, whom I plan on personally teaching some wrestling skills, as well as enrolling them in martian/mixed arts classes, and hell yes, they'll know that if they must, then they have my permission to defend themselves, and that incluces kicking the snot out of someone.
However, something that I found out is that, once you have that confidence, you will seldom, if ever, actually need to do it. Other kids will just know..
The guiding principle of martial arts is SELF-DEFENSE. It is not intended as an offensive art; no responsible Black Belt will ever knowinly teach this art to someone who has the intention of using it as a weapon.
Consider, it is far, far easier to kill and maim; than it is to simply beat up. The ‘Beat Up’ is an advanced belt training level, and it typically found in the movies.
The lower belts learn to break arms by hyper-extended the elbow, blinding the opponent (permanently, as in sticking the fingers into the eyes until they hit bone), breaking the knee with a kick placed do cause the knee to buckle and let the opponents weight do the breaking; they are taught to strike the throat to rupture the juglar, the knife strike to rupture the diaphram (ie make them suffocate on their own blood), and to strike the skill at the bump in the back of your head (take out Obdula Oblongata).
Is this what you are telling the instructor to do; teach a student bent on revenge, so that he will kill another?
Having taken years of this; I agree with the teacher. Martial arts are NOT like the Kung Fu flicks where people get slapped about and fall down, then run off threatening to teach them a lesson next time.
Martial arts are designed to Kill, much like a sword. You do not beat someone up with a sword.
Just what the h3ll is that about?
Fear of lawsuits.
If you overdo it and really hurt someone, there may be criminal charges filed in some jurisdictions.
And if you have to testify under oath that you have had special training for self defense, the right kind of lawyer can talk a jury into bankrupting you.
Still, the skills are very useful to have.
In a nutshell.
Self defense is just that. You defend yourself if attacked. Discipline means that you don’t go looking for confrontation, but you handle it if it comes Your way.
Discipline also means that you only use the force necessary to eliminate the threat, be it warning, bruising, breaking, maiming or killing.
So the kid, when confronted by the bully, says “I don’t want to hurt you”, and if pressed follows it up with a warning block and counterblow. After that the bully gets to choose if and how badly he gets hurt!
The kid should know how to defend himself but the escalation of the violence isn’t the answer. Where are the teachers that allow a kid to be bullied for years?
How about this. Send the kid to martial arts school, have a sitdown with the school, the kid’s parents and the local police. If it happens one more time, the bully goes to juvie, the parents of the brat get sued, the teachers get suspended.
Grasshopper, when you can take this stone from my hand, you will have learned.
Thats just it. Imagine yourself explaining what you did to a jury and wonding what you are going to say during cross.
Almost better and certainly cheaper to endure the beatdown.
"If it builds his self-esteem, it can be a good thing," said Brenda Morrison, professor of criminology at Simon Fraser University in British Columbia. "[But] it's better to walk away. Aggression usually breeds further violence. You can't get to a good place in a bad way."
Golly, Brenda it never occurred to ANYONE to walk-away...thanks for that. But here in the real world the bullies usually take that as a sign of weakness and it only encourages them.
"Martial arts is not about kicking and punching," said Sonny Pabuaya, instructor at Iron Fist Tae Kwon Do in Winnipeg. "That's a misconception people have because that's what they see in the movies."
So says the man who spends his days teaching people how to kick and punch.
"Violence only invokes more violence," said Diego Beltran, who runs Guardian Dojo-Kyokushin Karate Canada Inc. in Winnipeg. "I'm in total disagreement with the lady."
Violence, aimed at the appropriate person or persons, usually results in peace. I think Mr. Beltran must moonlight at the U.N. crafting "strongly worded protests" to tyrants that are busy murdering.
One of my Squad Leaders taught his wife’s son from a previous marriage how to hit since he was being bullied at school. My Squad Leader told him to go to school the next day and beat up the bully. Not only walk up and hit him, but hit him until he was too exhausted to hit anymore.
The kid did, he got expelled, but I’ll bet that bully thinks twice before screwing with other kids.
Correct. Walk with a purpose, keep your head up, and look the bullies right in the eye. The body language of a kid with confidence usually makes bullies look elsewhere for a victim. If a kid has to defend himself, his objective should be to humiliate the bully in front of his friends, not to break bones or 'kick the snot' out of him.
Take the Fifth Amendment protection; that's what it's for.
Well mister-Po’-fancy-pants-trailer-park-trash-philosopher, how about if I just shoot it out of your hand with a .45-70 from 1,000 yards? Steel sights....
Weall do things a bit differently in Texas, y’know....
***Martial arts instructors are condemning a Winnipeg mother’s decision to enrol her bullied son in kick-boxing classes and give him permission to retaliate against his tormentors. ***
And what is wrong with that? Even Hiram Maxim, the inventor of the Maxim machine gun, would frequent bars just to beat up the local bar bullies.
I *kill* 'em up there, man, they are DYING laughin....
I agree w/you. When I was a kid my Dad told me that the only way to deal with a bully is to take him head on. I had a kid two grades above me (10 to 12 yr old)go after me every chance he got. One day he came at me and I turned around and punched him as hard as I could in his nose. He fell and from that time on he never bothered me again. Amen.
There are two kinds of martial arts schools. One kind is derisively called a “McDojo”, because it plays to the illusion that martial arts is about something other than a dirt-dog brawl, and is more like a dance class. In a real fight, a black belt from such a school is useful only in holding someone’s pants up.
To understand a real martial arts school, is to leave the popular illusion of the idealized America, and see the vicious brutality of the world, often life-or-death brutality. For many years, such schools were forbidden in the Soviet Union, and their practitioners faced death, so practiced and taught students in secret. Finally it was realized that these brutal and sometimes murderous techniques would be of great value, and they were legalized and embraced. Even Russia’s ex-president Putin is a serious Judoka, a skill he had to learn as a member of the Soviet Army’s intelligence service, the GRU.
But both styles of America school discourage learning for “immediate revenge”. The McDojo’s, because it will become painfully clear that what they teach is worthless; and the serious schools, because they know that it takes much practice, strength and endurance, to learn how to fight.
The irony of becoming a serious martial artist is that it changes ones “countenance”, that most villains will spot and avoid, seeking easier prey. This means that unless they go looking for trouble, martial artists rarely get into fights.
The exception being those with fools who are blurred by alcohol, who would offer to punch a 500 pound gorilla, or a police officer with a Taser.
Martial arts also teaches diplomacy, because students learn who not to fight, because they would likely lose, so they had better be adept at avoiding conflict.
Bunch of weasel “martial arts” instructors you got there up north.
A real one would have imparted this wisdom:
Never strike the first blow. Always strike the last blow.
However, if there's no other choice, when you fight, you fight to win. Clobber the #$@##@$% with everything that you've got. We'll sort out the consequences later.
There will always be bullies, and kids that get bullied. The kids that don't fall into either category will always be the best off.
My martial arts instructor never said not to defend yourself, just told us to avoid fights when you could. Some people don’t respect you unless you stand up to them was my experience in school. I made friends, of sorts, with one real turd of a bully by being willing to stand up to him. The public schools really drum pacifist attitudes into the kids nowadays I have noticed as my son has gone through school.
It might be a long-shot lawsuit, but, these days, why take a chance?
My step-son had a bully attacking him for years. He asked me what to do, I advised him to 'Pick his Battles Wisely'. He waited till the last day of school one year and when the bully came over he beat the snot out of him.
He was taken to the school office and the administrator, who told him not to do any violence again, that he was surprised at him (having be a quiet boy for years). Yet there was no punishment, for it was well know that the bully had been at it with many other kids.
The Bully never came back, because he could never figure out when my stepson would explode again. My stepson has since graduated from Valley Forge Military college (yes, that Valley Forge) and is now a Staff Sargent in the Airforce.
Yes, he learned to choose his battles wisely.
the whole point of martial arts is so you get a kick in and then either have enough time to run away or pull out your weapon. But a martial arts ‘fight’ is stupid. You’ll probably get thrown on concrete or screwed if the bully has friends and/or weapons.
Is that you, Ralphie (fight with Scut Farkus, a Christmas Story).... I also learned that it doesn’t hurt if everyone thinks you are just a little crazy.
At last one day my big chance came to get back at the bully. Unfortunately, that day my nose was totally congested and my mouth was dry. No snot, no slobber.
He beat me to a pulp.
This isn't about revenge. It is about a kid being kicked silly daily and finally having the means to defend himself. The mother is telling her son to beat the snot out of this other kid if he is attacked again and it is very likely he will be. Are you advocating this kid simply keep taking beatings from another when he has the means to defend himself?
When people attack others, they deserve what they get, even if it is death or maiming. Don't want to die or be maimed? Don't attack someone without just cause(I.E. self defense). I hope this kid beats the sh** out of the bully if he is attacked again. He may actually save some other kids life, because quite frequently bullies grow up to be violent criminals if they are never brought to taks.
“Obdula Oblongata”? Where, O master of martial arts, is this part of the body located? I can detect no “Obdula Oblongata” in any medical text.
“But here in the real world the bullies usually take that as a sign of weakness and it only encourages them”
Walking away, or even running away can be an advantage sometimes. My uncle was confronted by a bully at a school dance one time and ran into the rest room, when the bully came in after him (my uncle was waiting for him) it was... “Katie bar the door”. They talked about that fight for years afterwards.
My grandson has been in a mixed MA class for 5 years now. They only 'spar' -- kicks, punches etc., once a month. They practice ground techniques each and every class. Most fights end up on the ground and if you can't handle yourself there, you will lose.
You mean you didn't even fart in his general direction?