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A “Lost” Fact in the “Rathergate” Mess — Part 1 (Bush volunteered to go to Vietnam)
BernardGoldberg.com ^ | August 25th, 2009 | Bernard Goldberg

Posted on 08/25/2009 5:33:03 PM PDT by Bratch

In 2007, Rather filed his $70 million lawsuit against his old company saying he wasn’t allowed to defend his story because the top management of CBS’ parent company, Viacom, wanted to appease the Bush Administration and protect its business interests.

Until now, the controversy over the Rather/Mapes story has centered almost entirely on one issue: the legitimacy of the documents – a very important issue, indeed. But it turns out that there was another very important issue, one that goes to the very heart of what the story was about – and one that has gone virtually unnoticed. This is it: Mary Mapes knew before she put the story on the air that George W. Bush, the alleged slacker, had in fact volunteered to go to Vietnam.

Who says? The outside panel CBS brought into to get to the bottom of the so-called “Rathergate” mess says. I recently re-examined the panel’s report after a source, Deep Throat style, told me to “Go to page 130.” When I did, here’s the startling piece of information I found:

Mapes had information prior to the airing of the September 8 [2004] Segment that President Bush, while in the TexANG [Texas Air National Guard] did volunteer for service in Vietnam but was turned down in favor of more experienced pilots. For example, a flight instructor who served in the TexANG with Lieutenant Bush advised Mapes in 1999 that Lieutenant Bush “did want to go to Vietnam but others went first.” Similarly, several others advised Mapes in 1999, and again in 2004 before September 8, that Lieutenant Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam but did not have enough flight hours to qualify.

(Excerpt) Read more at bernardgoldberg.com ...


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George Bush volunteered to go to Vietnam when he served in the Texas Air National Guard. Mary Mapes knew that when CBS report ran their story slamming Bush.

What did Dan Rather know and when did he know it?

1 posted on 08/25/2009 5:33:03 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: PJ-Comix

More on Mapes.


2 posted on 08/25/2009 5:34:08 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Moron Mapes.)
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To: Bratch

Keep going Dan — you are the best support for the W Presidency there is!

The truth shall set you free!


3 posted on 08/25/2009 5:36:12 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bratch
And the proof is, what???
4 posted on 08/25/2009 5:40:05 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: Bratch

I like humble people. But Bush never defends Himself, or His administration, or any of His decisions. This is no longer my calling to carry water for this guy. I was with Him for the whole ride, and He was just quiet on a lot of this stuff.


5 posted on 08/25/2009 5:42:06 PM PDT by reefdiver (So how's that HOPE & CHANGE working out for ya ?)
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To: Bratch

this is a duplicate thread


6 posted on 08/25/2009 5:43:02 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Wer glaubt ist nie allein. Who believes is never alone.)
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To: Notwithstanding

Well, I searched for the title of the article, which is how threads are supposed to be posted. Sorry.


7 posted on 08/25/2009 5:45:03 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

Why is this Breaking News?


8 posted on 08/25/2009 5:48:33 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Bratch

Leftists have no morality.


9 posted on 08/25/2009 5:49:55 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Bratch; ohioWfan; dmd25; LUV W; LuvyaDubya; Humal; Merlinator; Just A Nobody; NordP; STARWISE; ...

Thank you for posting this link . . . Unlike Clinton and Obama, George W Bush joined the military (at a time when MANY of his generation were avoiding it like the plague) and served his country honorably!


10 posted on 08/25/2009 5:50:27 PM PDT by DrDeb
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To: Bratch
Here at Free Republic we know the documents were fraudulent from the first day we saw them. An old Doonesbury poster known as Porsadgai (then) and Pors (now) forgot to un-check "kerning on" when he did the job for another old Doonesbury poster known as Migali, a sales rep for a firm manufacturing and selling fuel cells in Nebraska (whose last known girlfriend worked as an attorney in Family Services in Nashville, TN). He, in turn, knew the guy who said he'd seen Republican officials visiting the federal records center where he was doing his Air Force Reserve duty.

That last item was probably when Sandy Berger visited the site to move George Bush' military records around so that most of them simply got lost ~ they were, of course, rediscovered the week Sandy Berger copped a plea regarding his espionage trip to the National Archives.

Anyway, this is old homeweek for some of us, so we just naturally believed from the beginning that the Mapes woman was in on it. She knew "W" had volunteered for the Nam, and that's a strong implication that she knew the documents were fraudulent, and she probably knew Migali's girlfriend in Nashville TN for that matter.

These people should all go to jail for a very long time.

11 posted on 08/25/2009 5:50:46 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bratch

bttt


12 posted on 08/25/2009 5:51:11 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: reefdiver

Why bother getting into a shouting match with the likes of Dan Rater or any of the msm that were deaf to the truth. Anything he said would be twisted.


13 posted on 08/25/2009 5:55:11 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Bratch

By selecting the F-102 pilot position, Bush would not have been assigned to Vietnam. The F102 was an interceptor that did not see much service there at all. It was nearly obsolete by the time he was proficient to fly it.


14 posted on 08/25/2009 6:03:44 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: Bratch
For a refresher, here is a document I created in Microsoft Word and then overlaid on the Rather memo.


15 posted on 08/25/2009 6:04:08 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Obamacare: all the efficiency of the DMV and all the compassion of the IRS.)
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To: ArtyFO

If he had been selected for Vietnam, he would have been trained on a more modern aircraft.


16 posted on 08/25/2009 6:05:35 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Obamacare: all the efficiency of the DMV and all the compassion of the IRS.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; 1Peter2:16; 2Trievers; 4mycountry; A_perfect_lady; Alberta's Child; Allegra; ...

“Goldberg says he was given a tip by “a source, Deep Throat style, [who] told me to ‘Go to page 130 [of the commissioned panel’s report].’” What was on page 130?

“Mapes had information prior to the airing of the September 8 [2004] Segment that President Bush, while in the TexANG [Texas Air National Guard] did volunteer for service in Vietnam but was turned down in favor of more experienced pilots.

For example, a flight instructor who served in the TexANG with Lieutenant Bush advised Mapes in 1999 that Lieutenant Bush ‘did want to go to Vietnam but others went first.’ Similarly, several others advised Mapes in 1999, and again in 2004 before September 8, that Lieutenant Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam but did not have enough flight hours to qualify.”

Goldberg notes that this section was mentioned on a few Web sites and in two newspaper opinion pieces (in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette and the Miami Herald). “But that was it!” he says.

“If [Mapes] knew that George Bush had volunteered for service in Vietnam,” Goldberg writes, “she obviously had an obligation to share that with her viewers.”

“Now the question is,” Goldberg continues, “did she share what she knew with her correspondent, Dan Rather...What did Rather know — and when did he know it?”

Both Rather and Mapes are on the record as criticizing the panel’s 2005 report, with Rather stating in his 2007 lawsuit against CBS that the network and its executives turned him into “a scapegoat.” The lawsuit, in its current form, continues to make its way through the courts today, almost five years after the original 60 Minutes II story aired.”

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cbs/bernard_goldberg_go_to_page_130__125269.asp

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Liars who spew their filth .. and Mary Mapes is one of the biggest of liars of all time, who refuses to admit her despicable deceit still ..

Must see (thanks, rvoitier)

http://www.notablequotables.org/mrc/2006/dishonors/2005-11-09-Mapes.wmv


17 posted on 08/25/2009 6:08:22 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

18 posted on 08/25/2009 6:09:31 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: ArtyFO

bingo.


19 posted on 08/25/2009 6:09:50 PM PDT by RAO1125 (Neoconservatism:Failed. Socialism:Failing (again). Next up: Libertarianism)
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To: STARWISE

Bill O’Reilly had Bernard Goldberg on this evening and he was talking about it. We of corse had known this for quite a while, but it is good to have it confirmed


20 posted on 08/25/2009 6:14:44 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: org.whodat
And the proof is, what???

From Mary Mapes' information for the show:

Goldberg writes:

The outside panel CBS brought into to get to the bottom of the so-called “Rathergate” mess says. I recently re-examined the panel’s report after a source, Deep Throat style, told me to “Go to page 130.” When I did, here’s the startling piece of information I found:

Mapes had information prior to the airing of the September 8 [2004] Segment that President Bush, while in the TexANG [Texas Air National Guard] did volunteer for service in Vietnam but was turned down in favor of more experienced pilots. For example, a flight instructor who served in the TexANG with Lieutenant Bush advised Mapes in 1999 that Lieutenant Bush “did want to go to Vietnam but others went first.” Similarly, several others advised Mapes in 1999, and again in 2004 before September 8, that Lieutenant Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam but did not have enough flight hours to qualify.

21 posted on 08/25/2009 6:16:39 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: Bratch

I read a article years ago, some conservative said about getting into the mindset of liberals. If something to a liberal “should” be true, it therefore is whether it can be proven otherwise or not. Liberals really believed Bush was AWOL during Vietnam, thats why the Mission Accomplished carrier landing outraged them so much.


22 posted on 08/25/2009 6:16:47 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Labyrinthos

Because Dan Rather and Mary Mapes outright lied
in an attempt to slime Pres. Bush, right before
the the 2004 election.

And because of this post and the whole thread ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210516/posts?page=107#107

in the annals of FReeper history, an unforgettable
night.


23 posted on 08/25/2009 6:21:20 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Could be ~ Texas ANG had plenty of pilots covering a wide variety of planes.

Guess you don't know many pilots. They'll do whatever is needed for the chance to fly. "W" was simply at the end of a very long line and got what they gave him.

End of story.

BTW, I VOLUNTEERED FOR the United States Army Infantry in 1968, and if you didn't do that, or volunteer for the United States Marine Infantry, you don't have the moral highground in this debate. Mary Mapes sure doesn't.

24 posted on 08/25/2009 6:23:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bratch

For more on the F-102:

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml

DG


25 posted on 08/25/2009 6:24:38 PM PDT by DoorGunner ("...and so, all Israel will be saved")
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To: BP2
ROTFL!

A-WALL..........

LOL!

Hey! Rather! Here's a memo for ya......
LOL

26 posted on 08/25/2009 6:25:47 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: STARWISE
We've gone there before ~ and #107 always gives me a chill because that one little question proved that the professional Left were willing to stoop to any degree of degradation to seize power.
27 posted on 08/25/2009 6:33:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“W” was simply at the end of a very long line and got what they gave him.

That is what I figured. Top pilots were flying the Thud and F-4 Phantoms and F-8 Crusaders.


28 posted on 08/25/2009 6:36:33 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Obamacare: all the efficiency of the DMV and all the compassion of the IRS.)
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To: muawiyah; TankerKC

It was chilling ... a chilling, insidious
conspiracy.

Thank you again, Tanker!! God bless your
clarity and curiosity on that memorable night.


29 posted on 08/25/2009 6:37:02 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Bratch
Of course, we all know the socilaists and their propaganda wing controlling the national press would never forge anything for political gain, now would they.

On September 8, 2004, Dan Rather cited “exclusive information, including documents” to justify major CBS Evening News and 60 Minutes stories alleging that George W. Bush shirked his duties when he was in the Texas Air National Guard in the 1960s and 1970s. Within a few hours of those documents being posted on CBS News’s Web site, however, typography experts voiced skepticism that the documents had actually originated with their alleged author and Bush’s former commanding officer, the late Lt. Colonel Jerry Killian. As the evidence mounted, Rather stubbornly clung to the idea that his story was bulletproof, and he derided critics as partisans and Internet rumormongers. When he “apologized” on September 20, Rather would not concede that the documents were forgeries, only that he and CBS could “no longer vouch for their authenticity.”

CBS Disregarded Experts, Challenged Laura Bush: ABC’s Brian Ross reported on the September 14 World News Tonight that “two experts hired by CBS News say the network ignored concerns they raised prior to the broadcast about the disputed National Guard records.” But over on CBS, reporter John Roberts wondered why President Bush wasn’t taking those memos seriously: “The President has yet to weigh in on new documents about his National Guard record made public last week by 60 Minutes.” Roberts also chastised First Lady Laura Bush for doubting CBS’s memos were authentic: “Laura Bush offered no evidence to back up her claim, and CBS News continues to stand by its reporting.”

Sticking By His Smear: On September 10, Dan Rather responded to charges the memos he cited as proving Bush’s dereliction were forged, telling his CBS Evening News audience that the memos were genuine and attacking any doubters as partisan rumor-mongers. “Today, on the Internet and elsewhere, some people, including many who are partisan political operatives, concentrated not on the key questions of the overall story, but on the documents that were part of the support of the story,” Rather castigated. But his lame defense ignored key challenges to the documents’ typography and content, and the doubts voiced by the widow and son of the supposed author, the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian. Instead, Rather chose to repeat his indictment of President Bush’s National Guard service. Rather arrogantly concluded: “If any definitive evidence to the contrary of our story is found, we will report it. So far there is none.” (CyberAlert, September 11, 2004)

30 posted on 08/25/2009 6:37:35 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Hussein Baraka Mook Kebba)
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To: Bratch

Memo for Record:

Never trust the press. Never trust the press. Never, never, never trust the press.


31 posted on 08/25/2009 6:39:01 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: RAO1125

During Vietnam I was a specialist in nuclear missiles. I was stationed opposite Soviet and Warsaw Pact forces. No nukes in VN.


32 posted on 08/25/2009 6:45:36 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: Bratch

“that George W. Bush, the alleged slacker, had in fact volunteered to go to Vietnam....”

George Bush jr. had more balls than the microscopic prick obuma could pick up in a marble factory. Why am I not surprised.


33 posted on 08/25/2009 6:47:25 PM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: centurion316
Never trust the press. Never trust the press. Never, never, never trust the press.

Rathergate makes you wonder about other documents the MSM is said to have vetted for a presidential election.

President Obama Birth Certificate

34 posted on 08/25/2009 6:47:37 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: DrDeb
Thank you for the ping, DrDeb. The only time I saw “the look” in GW’s eyes was when the Dems were trying to make the National Guard into a sissy group. He came out very strongly and said to leave them alone. Just wish he'd used that fire more often.
35 posted on 08/25/2009 6:48:46 PM PDT by Humal (`)
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To: BerryDingle

They didn’t get outraged until the war went south and then ug that picture out. I’m far from a fan of GWB or neoconservatism, but the “Mission Accomplished” meme is idiotic to say the least. Even a teaspoon of research will show that the banner was refering to the specific crew on that ship who were cycling home.


36 posted on 08/25/2009 6:49:13 PM PDT by RAO1125 (Neoconservatism:Failed. Socialism:Failing (again). Next up: Libertarianism)
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To: centurion316

I remember clearly reading about his volunteering to go. Don’t recall when or where, but I knew that fact and I feel sure it came from FR way back during the flap over the issue.


37 posted on 08/25/2009 6:55:03 PM PDT by WVNan ( (Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.: Sun Tzu))
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To: BerryDingle

Liberals really believed Bush was AWOL during Vietnam, thats why the Mission Accomplished carrier landing outraged them so much.

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How do you know that? Where did they look
for proof to back that up? They despise him ..
everything about him “outrages” their twisted,
demented minds.

It wouldn’t matter if the banner said “I love
Fidel and tie-dyed shirts” .. they are relentless
to this day in their attempts to destroy him and
VP Cheney.


38 posted on 08/25/2009 6:55:47 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: ArtyFO
During Vietnam I was a specialist in nuclear missiles. I was stationed opposite Soviet and Warsaw Pact forces. No nukes in VN.

My dad spent 3 years in a Pershing Battalion, is that what you did?

39 posted on 08/25/2009 6:57:12 PM PDT by TWfromTEXAS (Life is the one choice that pro choicers wonÂ’t support.)
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To: Bratch

Mapes was such a hater...


40 posted on 08/25/2009 6:57:28 PM PDT by GOPJ (Journalists - - stenographers for Democrats - it wasn't always that way...)
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To: Labyrinthos

Why not?


41 posted on 08/25/2009 6:59:42 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Bratch

Bush, his TANG service both pro and con including the Vietnam volunteering , and many other facets of his life were discussed indepth and many times over during the 1999 to 2000 general election. Too bad those old threads from FR are not here for review.


42 posted on 08/25/2009 7:02:36 PM PDT by deport
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To: muawiyah

Listen to her still deny the truth

http://www.notablequotables.org/mrc/2006/dishonors/2005-11-09-Mapes.wmv


43 posted on 08/25/2009 7:04:50 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: BP2

That’s a good one!


44 posted on 08/25/2009 7:06:19 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: Bratch; mazda77; cll; All
Essential reading from Aug 2004:

Q and A- F-102, Vietnam & George W. Bush

The money quote:

...Nevertheless, we have established that the F-102 was serving in combat in Vietnam at the time Bush enlisted to become an F-102 pilot. In fact, pilots from the 147th FIG of the Texas ANG were routinely rotated to Vietnam for combat duty under a program called "Palace Alert" from 1968 to 1970. Palace Alert was an Air Force program that sent qualified F-102 pilots from the ANG to bases in Europe or southeast Asia for periods of three to six months for frontline duty. Fred Bradley, a friend of Bush's who was also serving in the Texas ANG, reported that he and Bush inquired about participating in the Palace Alert program. However, the two were told by a superior, MAJ Maurice Udell, that they were not yet qualified since they were still in training and did not have the 500 hours of flight experience required. Furthermore, ANG veteran COL William Campenni, who was a fellow pilot in the 111th FIS at the time, told the Washington Times that Palace Alert was winding down and not accepting new applicants.... [emphasis added]
FR had it a long, long time ago. I guess better late than never that the SRM catches up.
45 posted on 08/25/2009 7:07:54 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The President has borrowed more money to spend to less effect than anybody on the planet. " Steyn)
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To: Bushbacker1
He said she said, not much more than the oliver typewriters. It is a moot subject!!
46 posted on 08/25/2009 7:09:12 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: sergeantdave
The press accused him also to be a slacker every time he went to his ranch on vacation. The fact though is the he did work on his vacation. There are plenty of photos to prove it.

If there is a slacker, it is zerobama.

47 posted on 08/25/2009 7:11:38 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: WVNan
I remember clearly reading about his volunteering to go. Don’t recall when or where, but I knew that fact and I feel sure it came from FR way back during the flap over the issue.

Good memory. See post #45 above

48 posted on 08/25/2009 7:11:52 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The President has borrowed more money to spend to less effect than anybody on the planet. " Steyn)
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To: Bushbacker1

Bump


49 posted on 08/25/2009 7:24:26 PM PDT by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
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To: swmobuffalo

Mary Mapes and her mate, Gunga Dan should be keel hauled. She’s a communist. and Dan is a no-account loser.


50 posted on 08/25/2009 7:43:33 PM PDT by CT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slx8CCjoL4E&feature=related)
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