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A “Lost” Fact in the “Rathergate” Mess — Part 1 (Bush volunteered to go to Vietnam)
BernardGoldberg.com ^ | August 25th, 2009 | Bernard Goldberg

Posted on 08/25/2009 5:33:03 PM PDT by Bratch

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To: org.whodat
And the proof is, what???

From Mary Mapes' information for the show:

Goldberg writes:

The outside panel CBS brought into to get to the bottom of the so-called “Rathergate” mess says. I recently re-examined the panel’s report after a source, Deep Throat style, told me to “Go to page 130.” When I did, here’s the startling piece of information I found:

Mapes had information prior to the airing of the September 8 [2004] Segment that President Bush, while in the TexANG [Texas Air National Guard] did volunteer for service in Vietnam but was turned down in favor of more experienced pilots. For example, a flight instructor who served in the TexANG with Lieutenant Bush advised Mapes in 1999 that Lieutenant Bush “did want to go to Vietnam but others went first.” Similarly, several others advised Mapes in 1999, and again in 2004 before September 8, that Lieutenant Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam but did not have enough flight hours to qualify.

21 posted on 08/25/2009 6:16:39 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: Bratch

I read a article years ago, some conservative said about getting into the mindset of liberals. If something to a liberal “should” be true, it therefore is whether it can be proven otherwise or not. Liberals really believed Bush was AWOL during Vietnam, thats why the Mission Accomplished carrier landing outraged them so much.


22 posted on 08/25/2009 6:16:47 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Labyrinthos

Because Dan Rather and Mary Mapes outright lied
in an attempt to slime Pres. Bush, right before
the the 2004 election.

And because of this post and the whole thread ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210516/posts?page=107#107

in the annals of FReeper history, an unforgettable
night.


23 posted on 08/25/2009 6:21:20 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Could be ~ Texas ANG had plenty of pilots covering a wide variety of planes.

Guess you don't know many pilots. They'll do whatever is needed for the chance to fly. "W" was simply at the end of a very long line and got what they gave him.

End of story.

BTW, I VOLUNTEERED FOR the United States Army Infantry in 1968, and if you didn't do that, or volunteer for the United States Marine Infantry, you don't have the moral highground in this debate. Mary Mapes sure doesn't.

24 posted on 08/25/2009 6:23:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bratch

For more on the F-102:

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0185.shtml

DG


25 posted on 08/25/2009 6:24:38 PM PDT by DoorGunner ("...and so, all Israel will be saved")
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To: BP2
ROTFL!

A-WALL..........

LOL!

Hey! Rather! Here's a memo for ya......
LOL

26 posted on 08/25/2009 6:25:47 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: STARWISE
We've gone there before ~ and #107 always gives me a chill because that one little question proved that the professional Left were willing to stoop to any degree of degradation to seize power.
27 posted on 08/25/2009 6:33:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“W” was simply at the end of a very long line and got what they gave him.

That is what I figured. Top pilots were flying the Thud and F-4 Phantoms and F-8 Crusaders.


28 posted on 08/25/2009 6:36:33 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Obamacare: all the efficiency of the DMV and all the compassion of the IRS.)
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To: muawiyah; TankerKC

It was chilling ... a chilling, insidious
conspiracy.

Thank you again, Tanker!! God bless your
clarity and curiosity on that memorable night.


29 posted on 08/25/2009 6:37:02 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Bratch
Of course, we all know the socilaists and their propaganda wing controlling the national press would never forge anything for political gain, now would they.

On September 8, 2004, Dan Rather cited “exclusive information, including documents” to justify major CBS Evening News and 60 Minutes stories alleging that George W. Bush shirked his duties when he was in the Texas Air National Guard in the 1960s and 1970s. Within a few hours of those documents being posted on CBS News’s Web site, however, typography experts voiced skepticism that the documents had actually originated with their alleged author and Bush’s former commanding officer, the late Lt. Colonel Jerry Killian. As the evidence mounted, Rather stubbornly clung to the idea that his story was bulletproof, and he derided critics as partisans and Internet rumormongers. When he “apologized” on September 20, Rather would not concede that the documents were forgeries, only that he and CBS could “no longer vouch for their authenticity.”

CBS Disregarded Experts, Challenged Laura Bush: ABC’s Brian Ross reported on the September 14 World News Tonight that “two experts hired by CBS News say the network ignored concerns they raised prior to the broadcast about the disputed National Guard records.” But over on CBS, reporter John Roberts wondered why President Bush wasn’t taking those memos seriously: “The President has yet to weigh in on new documents about his National Guard record made public last week by 60 Minutes.” Roberts also chastised First Lady Laura Bush for doubting CBS’s memos were authentic: “Laura Bush offered no evidence to back up her claim, and CBS News continues to stand by its reporting.”

Sticking By His Smear: On September 10, Dan Rather responded to charges the memos he cited as proving Bush’s dereliction were forged, telling his CBS Evening News audience that the memos were genuine and attacking any doubters as partisan rumor-mongers. “Today, on the Internet and elsewhere, some people, including many who are partisan political operatives, concentrated not on the key questions of the overall story, but on the documents that were part of the support of the story,” Rather castigated. But his lame defense ignored key challenges to the documents’ typography and content, and the doubts voiced by the widow and son of the supposed author, the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian. Instead, Rather chose to repeat his indictment of President Bush’s National Guard service. Rather arrogantly concluded: “If any definitive evidence to the contrary of our story is found, we will report it. So far there is none.” (CyberAlert, September 11, 2004)

30 posted on 08/25/2009 6:37:35 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Hussein Baraka Mook Kebba)
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To: Bratch

Memo for Record:

Never trust the press. Never trust the press. Never, never, never trust the press.


31 posted on 08/25/2009 6:39:01 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: RAO1125

During Vietnam I was a specialist in nuclear missiles. I was stationed opposite Soviet and Warsaw Pact forces. No nukes in VN.


32 posted on 08/25/2009 6:45:36 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: Bratch

“that George W. Bush, the alleged slacker, had in fact volunteered to go to Vietnam....”

George Bush jr. had more balls than the microscopic prick obuma could pick up in a marble factory. Why am I not surprised.


33 posted on 08/25/2009 6:47:25 PM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: centurion316
Never trust the press. Never trust the press. Never, never, never trust the press.

Rathergate makes you wonder about other documents the MSM is said to have vetted for a presidential election.

President Obama Birth Certificate

34 posted on 08/25/2009 6:47:37 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: DrDeb
Thank you for the ping, DrDeb. The only time I saw “the look” in GW’s eyes was when the Dems were trying to make the National Guard into a sissy group. He came out very strongly and said to leave them alone. Just wish he'd used that fire more often.
35 posted on 08/25/2009 6:48:46 PM PDT by Humal (`)
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To: BerryDingle

They didn’t get outraged until the war went south and then ug that picture out. I’m far from a fan of GWB or neoconservatism, but the “Mission Accomplished” meme is idiotic to say the least. Even a teaspoon of research will show that the banner was refering to the specific crew on that ship who were cycling home.


36 posted on 08/25/2009 6:49:13 PM PDT by RAO1125 (Neoconservatism:Failed. Socialism:Failing (again). Next up: Libertarianism)
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To: centurion316

I remember clearly reading about his volunteering to go. Don’t recall when or where, but I knew that fact and I feel sure it came from FR way back during the flap over the issue.


37 posted on 08/25/2009 6:55:03 PM PDT by WVNan ( (Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.: Sun Tzu))
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To: BerryDingle

Liberals really believed Bush was AWOL during Vietnam, thats why the Mission Accomplished carrier landing outraged them so much.

~~~~

How do you know that? Where did they look
for proof to back that up? They despise him ..
everything about him “outrages” their twisted,
demented minds.

It wouldn’t matter if the banner said “I love
Fidel and tie-dyed shirts” .. they are relentless
to this day in their attempts to destroy him and
VP Cheney.


38 posted on 08/25/2009 6:55:47 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: ArtyFO
During Vietnam I was a specialist in nuclear missiles. I was stationed opposite Soviet and Warsaw Pact forces. No nukes in VN.

My dad spent 3 years in a Pershing Battalion, is that what you did?

39 posted on 08/25/2009 6:57:12 PM PDT by TWfromTEXAS (Life is the one choice that pro choicers wonÂ’t support.)
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To: Bratch

Mapes was such a hater...


40 posted on 08/25/2009 6:57:28 PM PDT by GOPJ (Journalists - - stenographers for Democrats - it wasn't always that way...)
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