Posted on 08/25/2009 6:54:55 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
ABC's Brian Ross and NBC's Andrea Mitchell on Tuesday night each listed some al Qaeda plots uncovered via CIA interrogations, but both balked when it came to vindicating former Vice President Dick Cheney on whether enhanced interrogation techniques (EITs) led to information which prevented attacks.
Nowhere in the reports...does the CIA ever draw a direct connection between the valuable information and the specific use of harsh tactics, Ross declared on World News in citing reports Cheney requested be released. NBC's Andrea Mitchell cited only Khalid Sheikh Mohammad and related how administration officials say there is no way to know whether the same information could have be obtained from him without waterboarding or whether he would have given it up sooner had he been handled differently.
On FNC, however, The Weekly Standard's Steve Hayes, quoting from the just-released 2004 report by CIA Inspector General John Helgerson, pointed out how even it noted regarding Abd al Rahim al Nashiri, the terrorist behind the USS Cole attack, following the use of EIT's, he provided information about his most current operational planning as opposed to the historical information he provided before the use of the EIT's. Hayes asserted: I mean, it doesn't get clearer than that. So we can debate the morality, we can debate whether this was torture. We can't debate any longer about whether this was effective.
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Sorry, you have no credibility.
I am in agreement with you.
What the miserable cowardly anti American liberal P’s OS fail to see is the time sensitive nature of intel. Taking 6 months to uncover a terrorist attack in the planning stages is useless when the trigger date for the operation is 5 months after the terrorist was captured.
I think it was a joke (He made the trains run on time)
RAO1125 is correct. Credibility most assuredly does NOT come with seniority, although many here believe it does.
He is a libertarian. It was no joke. He was comparing Cheney to a Fascist because he does not agree with the so-called torture techniques.
Seniority means that those who have been here a long time, understand and accept who, and why this site was created.
We have been through many bannings of lemings who just want to get a post on a FR thread so they can get quoted on websites trying to bring us down.
Everyone has the right to say what they want...until they start causing harm.
I don’t doubt what you say, but it doesn’t change in any way the unalterable fact there is no correlation whatsoever between length of membership and credibility.
I am constantly amazed at the number of people who automatically assume it to be so. These are the same sort of folks who believe once an individual is elected to the Congress they automatically become geniuses, gaining ultimate all knowledge in all areas.
Maybe so but the words he used, “yes, but he made the trains run on time” are often used as a sarcastic rejoinder to those who rail about how awful Hitler was and of all the atrocities committed by his regime.
In this case it is hard to believe anyone would seriously claim Hitlers making the trains run on time in any way mitigates his record of abuse and torture.
I understand the usage. What I got from the post was the poster was saying Mussolini/Cheney are evil despite some of the good things they might accomplish. Cheney was not evil. There treatment of terrorists should not be equated with what communists/socialists do to their political enemies. Bush/Cheney saved lives, they were not trying to protect their political power base.
Put that way I agree. I wasn’t familiar with the “history” of the post and how it evolved to the on time claim.
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