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AZ 2010: McCain faces mostly bravos, some boos in Sun City [attacks GOP, calls for bipartisanship]
The Daily News-Sun, Sun City, Ariz. ^ | 2009-08-25 | Jeff Dempsey

Posted on 08/25/2009 8:31:25 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

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One woman asked why McCain and his fellow Republicans did not reform health care during the Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush or George W. Bush administrations, when Republicans had the same power and control the Democrats have now.

“We should have done more, there’s no question,” McCain said. “We should have done more, but there is plenty of responsibility to go around. We need to work on a bipartisan basis. That’s what we need to be doing now, too. The time is now to make this happen.”

Another member of the audience told McCain health care is fine the way it is and to go back to Washington, D.C., and propose that Congress leave it alone.

“With all due respect, ma’am, I can’t just go back to Washington and suggest we do nothing because our children and our grandchildren need health care and Social Security, too,” McCain said. “Let’s have some straight talk here, my friends, let’s have some real straight talk. The system is broken. I hope you appreciate that to do nothing would be unacceptable.”

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
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1 posted on 08/25/2009 8:31:25 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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2 posted on 08/25/2009 8:33:08 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker; ponygirl; AuntB; TigersEye; TADSLOS; cripplecreek

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3 posted on 08/25/2009 8:34:16 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Does this guy ever say anything against the Democrats?

Why does he call himself a Republican? What’s the point?


4 posted on 08/25/2009 8:34:25 PM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Steely Tom

Because Democrats serving as Republicans inflict more damage to the GOP. Just ask Slick Willard or Huckster or...


5 posted on 08/25/2009 8:35:44 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: rabscuttle385
“With all due respect, ma’am, I can’t just go back to Washington and suggest we do nothing because...

...a politician's job is to always be doing something, even if it's wrong and unnecessary; otherwise you might decide we're not indispensable after all.

6 posted on 08/25/2009 8:37:26 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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To: rabscuttle385
McCain believes that a good bipartisan compromise deal consists of agreeing to 9 of 10 of his “Democrat friends” completely unacceptable demands.
7 posted on 08/25/2009 8:39:10 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: rabscuttle385
John McCain needs to be cautioned strongly about his obligation to uphold the Constitution of the United States, not to revive an unprecedented expansion of the coercive power of government that American citizens oppose for good reason.

Let's just remind ourselves and our fellow citizens of James Madison's words from THE FEDERALIST, the Framers' authoritative explanation of their Constitution, and directed by the Board of Visitors of the University of Virginia in 1825 to be used as the text for its law school in its studies of "the general principles of liberty and the rights of man," and said by Jefferson to "constitute 'the general opinion of those who framed, and of those who accepted the Constitution of the U.S., on questions as to its genuine meaning.'":

"The house of representatives... can make no law which will not have its full operation on themselves and their friends, as well as the great mass of society. This has always been deemed one of the strongest bonds by which human policy can connect the rulers and the people together. It creates between them that communion of interest, and sympathy of sentiments, of which few governments have furnished examples; but without which every government degenerates into tyranny." - Federalist Papers, No. 57, February 19, 1788

"The aim of every political constitution is, or ought to be, first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of the society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust." - Federalist Papers, No. 57, February 19, 1788

"Such will be the relation between the House of Representatives and their constituents. Duty gratitude, interest, ambition itself, are the cords by which they will be bound to fidelity and sympathy with the great mass of the people." - Federalist Papers, No. 57, February 19, 1788

"If it be asked what is to restrain the House of Representatives from making legal discriminations in favor of themselves and a particular class of the society? I answer, the genius of the whole system, the nature of just and constitutional laws, and above all the vigilant and manly spirit which actuates the people of America, a spirit which nourishes freedom, and in return is nourished by it." - Federalist Papers, No. 57, February 19, 1788

"An elective despotism was not the government we fought for; but one in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced among the several bodies of magistracy as that no one could transcend their legal limits without being effectually checked and restrained by the others." - Federalist Papers, No. 58, 1788

"This power over the purse may, in fact, be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure." - Federalist Papers, No. 58, 1788

"The propensity of all single and numerous assemblies (is) to yield to the impulse of sudden and violent passions, and to be seduced by factious leaders into intemperate and pernicious resolutions." - Federalist Papers, No. 62, February 27, 1788

"Every new regulation concerning commerce or revenue; or in any manner affecting the value of the different species of property, presents a new harvest to those who watch the change and can trace its consequences; a harvest reared not by themselves but by the toils and cares of the great body of their fellow citizens. This is a state of things in which it may be said with some truth that laws are made for the few not for the many." - Federalist Papers, No. 62, February 27, 1788

"It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man who knows what the law is today can guess what it will be tomorrow." - Federalist Papers, No. 62, February 27, 1788

Note particularly the following words of wisdom from Federalist No. 63, and take heart, dear citizens, you are doing what you were meant to do:

"As the cool and deliberate sense of the community ought, in all governments, and actually will, in all free governments, ultimately prevail over the views of its rulers; so there are particular moments in public affairs when the people, stimulated by some irregular passion, or some illicit advantage, or misled by the artful misrepresentations of interested men, may call for measures which they themselves will afterwards be the most ready to lament and condemn. In these critical moments, how salutary will be the interference of some temperate and respectable body of citizens, in order to check the misguided career, and to suspend the blow meditated by the people against themselves, until reason, justice, and truth can regain their authority over the public mind?" - Federalist Papers, No. 63, 1788

8 posted on 08/25/2009 8:40:25 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: rabscuttle385

Thanks for reminding me what a nincompoop McCain is. So which Dems does McCain plan to parley with? The public-option left or the no-public-option blue dogs? Let them fight it out and STFU.

Feeling like “we have to do something” is the root of GOP stupidity.


9 posted on 08/25/2009 8:43:48 PM PDT by vamoose
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To: rabscuttle385
Any Republican that wants bipartisanship or believes in compromise needs to be voted out of office
10 posted on 08/25/2009 8:46:53 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: rabscuttle385

...time for this guy to go.


11 posted on 08/25/2009 8:48:35 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Tzimisce

We’re going to do our best.


12 posted on 08/25/2009 8:52:53 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Hildy

I own property in Texas and Arizona because I want to retire in Arizona one of these days. And I am so angry at him that I am thinking about making my Arizona address official rather than Texas so I can register to vote there and campaign against him.


13 posted on 08/25/2009 8:58:12 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Like Bush, every time he reach’s across the aisle, he is yanked out of his chair.


14 posted on 08/25/2009 9:05:45 PM PDT by Tuketu (Democrats shall be known as the National Democrat Party - NDP CASE CLOSED)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Because Democrats serving as Republicans inflict more damage to the GOP. “

I agree, and I think it would be naive to think that some weren’t there specifically for that purpose. Ultimately, to win this war, and it is a war, the GOP will have to do the same. Time to start thinking in terms of decades, and finding Trojan horses to return the favor.


15 posted on 08/25/2009 9:08:08 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain was probably too busy saying it’s not fair because Republicans had the majority.


16 posted on 08/25/2009 9:12:14 PM PDT by wastedyears (Genesis, Sega CD and Saturn work, and my 360 red rings after 2 and a half years.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Simply put, McCain has been in Washington too long. He isn't the only one with this malady, of course, but he carries more weight given his recent status as failed presidential candidate. It is time to send the government lifers home, from both parties. they are the ones doing the most damage to this country right now.
17 posted on 08/25/2009 9:16:43 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (Imagining a world without DemocRats.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Bipartisan; definition: RINOs bend over for the Demonrats and the country takes it up the wazoo.
18 posted on 08/25/2009 9:18:21 PM PDT by Free_SJersey (Liberty can promote equality- manditory equality will kill liberty. CONSTITUTION FIRST!)
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To: rabscuttle385

“Let’s have some straight talk here, my friends”

If I hear McQueeg say my friends one more time, I will scream! I’m not his friend and I doubt most of the people in the audience are his friends, nor did they want a lecture from him about how they should respect obama. WTF is that? he is a complete as* kisser.


19 posted on 08/25/2009 9:29:59 PM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: Grunthor

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20 posted on 08/25/2009 9:38:00 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: rabscuttle385
“Let’s have some straight talk here, my friends, let’s have some real straight talk. The system is broken. I hope you appreciate that to do nothing would be unacceptable.”

The system is broken because statist meddlers broke it.

I swear, McCain's type of stupid is incurable.

21 posted on 08/25/2009 9:40:29 PM PDT by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Kenya government doctors fleeing
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/07/world/kenya-losing-needed-md-s-as-low-pay-causes-flight.html


22 posted on 08/25/2009 10:06:24 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: WOSG

It’s too bad this fool’s parachute opened when he was shot down in ‘Nam.

What a complete loser.....


23 posted on 08/25/2009 10:08:52 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The AFL-CIO and SEIU.....two domestic terrorist organizations doing Obama's dirty work for him.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Here’s some straight talk for you McLame. I hate your guts, you’re an asshole, and I want to smash you in the face with a brick.
I wish McLame would be subjected to the same kind of health care he wants to stick us with. With that kind of care we would finally be rid of this bastard. He would of died two years ago of cancer.


24 posted on 08/25/2009 10:19:48 PM PDT by metalurgist (Want America back? It'll take guns and rope. We're too far gone.)
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To: dalereed

Thanks for your post, “Any Republican that wants bipartisanship or believes in compromise needs to be voted out of office “

McCain has some words that he uses over and over that make me want to holler “ralph” into the toilet every time he says them.
My friends
Bipartisanship
Hands across the aisle
Comprehensive immigration reform.

McCain has just become another actor on the phony political stage in Washington. For him to be kissy-sucky with light in the loafers Gramnesty tells a lot about this man.
It really is a shame. McCain served our country honorably, was a prisoner of war who underwent extremely harsh punishment, and could have gotten out of that prison by giving in just a little to his captors. To his great credit, he did not cave.


25 posted on 08/25/2009 10:45:00 PM PDT by Islander2
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To: ApplegateRanch

Straight talk my tukus!

If McCain was being honest (a real conservative) he would recommend TORT REFORM, getting rid of UNFUNDED MANDATES for insurers, allowing INTERSTATE COMPETITION etc.

I wish he would go away.


26 posted on 08/26/2009 1:05:35 AM PDT by madameguinot (Our Father's God to Thee, Author of Liberty)
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To: vamoose; WOSG; rabscuttle385
Actually, GOP can do "something" :

1. They can point out that states can have their own, independent, not one-size-fits-all programs if they want to - something like "States are laboratories of democracy - don't nationalize our health care!"


Don't let Federal government bankrupt your state with Universal Health Care...

... when you can do that to your own state yourself!

2. Where is at least one "shadow Senator" who would run in the primaries against John McCain and would criticize and make known McCain's votes, initiatives and ideas (or lack of them) and provide his own, opposite or more constructive views? It's a great way for someone(s) to gain visibility and credibility and "political capital" without spending a lot of money, and become a go-to person and serious opponent in the primary and/or general election.

Every elected RINO and/or "conservative Democrat" in conservative states and districts should have at least one "shadow Representative" or "shadow Senator" to be ready to take on those who do not serve constituents' interests and put their feet to the fire of scrutiny, so they can't get away with being duplicitous - one person in D.C., another at home. And that's how constituents will know who really deserves their vote in the primaries and general elections.

If Arizona / McCain doesn't have a "shadow Senator" by now, then when? ... and in that case, is not all of this really just "full of sound of fury, signifying nothing"?

27 posted on 08/26/2009 1:05:37 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: rabscuttle385

Unforunately, until people in AZ find a good, strong conservative who can win against him in the primary, there’s not much we can do.


28 posted on 08/26/2009 1:25:24 AM PDT by paudio (Road to hell is paved by unintended consequences of good intentions)
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To: Steely Tom

Geez, I hope AZ votes him out.


29 posted on 08/26/2009 2:20:55 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: rabscuttle385

McPain says “my friends” every other sentence like a teenie bopper says “like, you know” or “dude” every other sentence. Grates on the nerves like sandpaper. He may have served his country honorably when he fought in Vietnam and was a prisoner under the commies all those years, but he talks like a condescending schoolmarm or headmaster “correcting” his students.


30 posted on 08/26/2009 4:39:53 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies - C.S. Lewis)
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To: rabscuttle385
This is why the Republican base voted for Sara. Without her, McCain wouldn't have even been on the political radar.

He's done more to hurt the Republican base than any other politician in American history, and he's done it for nothing more than a few kind words in a lousy liberal news paper.
I can't understand why anyone votes for this back stabber. Do they have some kind of a death wish or something?

31 posted on 08/26/2009 4:48:38 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: dalereed
I wanted bipartisanship for many years. I'm sure many others were like me.

But the Dems have proven time and again that they will not work on a bipartisan basis, unless they are out of power. Then, it is something they demand and demand loudly. They demand that we COMPROMISE! Republicans capitulate. When Dems return to power, bipartisanship simply means "you must agree with us"!

32 posted on 08/26/2009 6:25:23 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT (no more "till death do us part" public workers!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Good point!

: )


33 posted on 08/26/2009 6:25:28 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: mojitojoe

Hey McCain ! Did it ever occur to you that Obama is a third world communist dictator? No? Oh, okay.


34 posted on 08/26/2009 6:27:40 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: bustinchops

We’re gonna try.


35 posted on 08/26/2009 6:28:17 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: rabscuttle385

The man has become a self parody. His own words can’t be topped.


36 posted on 08/26/2009 6:33:05 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Proud FR Mobster)
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To: rabscuttle385

A bipartisan effort to destroy the Constitution I cannot support.


37 posted on 08/26/2009 7:10:37 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: rabscuttle385
McCain....Blasts GOP

You can kiss my hindquarters,you lousy,worthless RAT wannabe.

38 posted on 08/26/2009 7:13:12 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Try hard.

:)


39 posted on 08/26/2009 11:33:05 AM PDT by bustinchops
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To: bustinchops

OK


40 posted on 08/26/2009 11:37:11 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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