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FNC: Bush Volunteered for Vietnam, CBS's Mapes Knowingly Omitted from Story
newsbusters.org ^ | August 25, 2009 | Brad Wilmouth

Posted on 08/26/2009 7:56:27 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

On Tuesday, FNC's The O'Reilly Factor hosted FNC analyst Bernard Goldberg as the former CBS News correspondent highlighted a story recently posted on his Web site, BernardGoldberg.com, in which he complains of how little mainstream media attention was given to the fact that former President George W. Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam as part of his service in the Texas Air National Guard, but that he was turned down because other pilots were more experienced, and that CBS News producer Mary Mapes, even though she knew this part of the story before the report aired, did not include this important angle in the infamous piece by Dan Rather that used forged documents to paint Bush as trying to avoid Vietnam War service.

On his Web site, BernardGoldberg.com, Goldberg chastizes Mapes:

However the complexities and seeming contradictions are interpreted, if Bush at any point had volunteered to fly combat missions in Vietnam – as the CBS investigation unequivocally states — how then could he have been a slacker? The clear answer is that he could not – unless, of course, he volunteered to go to Vietnam knowing full well he wouldn’t be taken. But if that was the case, Mapes would have had an obligation to report both that he volunteered and then produce a credible witness to say it was a sham. She did neither.

Mapes, a well-known liberal at CBS News, has always contended that she had no agenda, that she was not out to get President Bush. But if she knew that George Bush had volunteered for service in Vietnam – as the CBS outside panel clearly concludes — she obviously had an obligation to share that with her viewers.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: boycottviacom; cbsnews; danrather; deceit; georgewbush; mapes; marymapes; msmlies; newsblackout; pravdamedia; rathergate; revisionisthistory; seebs; viacommie
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1 posted on 08/26/2009 7:56:29 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Does this Mapes broad have any journalistic credibility at all anymore? Note to the network - just fire her, before we have to start using decimals in front of your ratings.


2 posted on 08/26/2009 7:59:08 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
Mapes left out an entirely relevant fact to the story because it didn't fit the liberal template of G.W. Bush as a draft dodger? Knock me over with a feather! < / sarcasm >
3 posted on 08/26/2009 8:00:14 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Mary, you ignorant slut.


4 posted on 08/26/2009 8:01:03 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

O’Reilly looked like he had gas when discussing this. He obviously swallowed the leftist koolaid that Bush was a silver spoon draft dodger. He was interested in pursuing why Bush first said he did not volunteer TO GO (AS AN INFANTRYMAN) and then did volunteer to go (AS A FIGHTER PILOT)

I can tell you from experience, if joining the Air Force in the 1960’s and early 1970’s made you a “draft dodger” then we have a LOT of us!


5 posted on 08/26/2009 8:02:52 AM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

If I saw this pig and she was on fire, I wouldn’t piss on her.


6 posted on 08/26/2009 8:03:52 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Eric Cartman for president in 2012)
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To: Huskrrrr
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7 posted on 08/26/2009 8:04:24 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Huskrrrr

Do you think Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews or anyone at CBS,NBC,ABC,MSNBC or CNN will REPORT this fact that they were campaigning for the political party of their ideals for quite some time now?

This is disgusting journalism. This downplays America. Dan Rather needs to speak up on what and when he knew.


8 posted on 08/26/2009 8:06:08 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: domenad

Mapes has always been a far left activist who used the media to push her twisted agenda. She was fired in Seattle for doing just that before she found her was to Dan Rather’s inner circle. Maybe it was Rather’s previously aired false story of Vietnam atrocities that drew her to him.


9 posted on 08/26/2009 8:07:35 AM PDT by doodles2 (Pigtails too tight)
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To: GOPsterinMA
"If I saw this pig and she was on fire, I wouldn’t piss on her."

I would.

But I'd swallow a gallon of gas first, and then wait 20 minutes.

10 posted on 08/26/2009 8:09:07 AM PDT by libs_kma (F.U.B.O.)
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To: silverleaf
O’Reilly looked like he had gas when discussing this.

That's the way I saw it, too. I don't watch Bill very often these days, but tuned in last night to watch the Dennis Miller segment, and saw this segment as well. Bill had me gagging...

11 posted on 08/26/2009 8:10:14 AM PDT by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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To: LRS

Mary Mapes is such a marxist tool, liar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuoEYo8YVWM


12 posted on 08/26/2009 8:11:42 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: libs_kma

HAHAHAHAHAH - You become a natural flame thrower.

U nasty!


13 posted on 08/26/2009 8:12:14 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Eric Cartman for president in 2012)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

"Allegations that Mary Mapes and I are hiding sources related to the fals...true documents showing President Bush missed a doctor's appointment have been traced to a secret right-wing group led by a mysterious, but diabolical mastermind named Jim Thompson."

14 posted on 08/26/2009 8:14:18 AM PDT by Wardenclyffe
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To: Wardenclyffe

Sadly that could be an accurate report of nowadays if Rather were still on-air.


15 posted on 08/26/2009 8:16:25 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

W volunteered for service in VN not once, but twice, as I recall the material that emerged in the wake of the Dan Rather bogus letter episode. He was turned down because the aircraft he had trained in, the F-102 Delta Dagger (a tricky plane to fly, or so I’ve been told), had been phased out of VN service, the air war was winding down, and the USAF already had plenty of suitably qualified pilots coming out of their newly accelerated training program.


16 posted on 08/26/2009 8:17:07 AM PDT by Senator John Blutarski (The progress of government: republic, democracy, technocracy, bureaucracy, plutocracy, kleptocracy,)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

More people will continue to turn to alternate media and the MSM numbers will continue to plunge.


17 posted on 08/26/2009 8:19:05 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Huskrrrr

18 posted on 08/26/2009 8:19:29 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Very nice!


19 posted on 08/26/2009 8:20:33 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Huskrrrr

It has been downhill since Dan left. The MSM don’t report the truth they report their personal ideals.


20 posted on 08/26/2009 8:20:59 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: Huskrrrr

Even SNLIVE admitted their politics in comedy sketches.

So much satire in 0bama and Pelosi yet they quit the politics now that 0bama their man is in.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/


21 posted on 08/26/2009 8:25:21 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: Senator John Blutarski

Thanks. All’s I heard on last nights news report was that he was turned down after he volunteered for Vietnam because he did not have enough flight hours logged.


22 posted on 08/26/2009 8:28:14 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
Documents suggest special treatment for Bush in Guard [Post 47]
23 posted on 08/26/2009 8:29:31 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("It (Gov't) can't make you happier, healthier, wealthier, and wise" - Sarah Palin 07/26)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

No kidding!


24 posted on 08/26/2009 8:30:10 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: domenad

You know, I have a problem with this. If this is true, then why didn’t Bush defend himself when all this was going on? If this is true, this demrat “politics of personal destruction” gambit could have and should have been killed still born.

Even in the face of an incessant barrage of spurious attacks by the dems over the 8-year Bush administration, he just stood there, wrapped in the cloak of his “New Tone” nonsense, and virtually said nothing.

Maybe someday someone can make sense of it. I really don’t understand people who will not stand up for themselves. I come from a Philadelphia row home. If you touch me I guarantee I’ll touch you back in such a way that you’ll not be able or not want to get in my way again.


25 posted on 08/26/2009 8:30:40 AM PDT by dools007
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To: silverleaf

“if joining the Air Force in the 1960’s and early 1970’s made you a “draft dodger” then we have a LOT of us!”

And, a supreme slap in the face of every Airmen ever.

That angle implies that Air Force is not as important or valiant as the other War Fighters. It’s truly heinous.

And though service “rivalries” exist, they are (generally) of a fraternal nature. My uncle did 3 tours (Army, Special Forces) and I *know* for fact that there were several times where air support is probably why he’s still alive.

I guaran-damn-tee that when put back-to-back, every Marine, Airmen, or Infantrymen would identify themselves as one thing: brothers.

I call them all (Guardsmen too) something simpler: patriots, period.

O’Reilly is a suck a$$, anyway. His act is really over done and filled to the brim with cynicism. This is a minor difference between him and the Mapes and Rathers of the world.


26 posted on 08/26/2009 8:30:45 AM PDT by mattdono (The platform I want: Stop spending my money. Stop sending my money. Stop taking my money.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives
I agree with everyone else that this was an outrageous deliberate omission by Mapes designed to deceive. However, I also blame Bush! Where was he and his campaign to forcefully knock this down? I never knew Bush volunteered, and if I didn't I doubt the average Joe did.

No, sadly much of the blame is on Bush who, for most of his public life felt it undignified to respond to buckets of slime hurled at him. On some level you simply HAVE to respond or have surrogates respond, or -gasp- have the RNC do some work.

The problem with being to dignified to respond means that all the flat out lies stick and directly impact the entire party of supporters.

27 posted on 08/26/2009 8:34:39 AM PDT by Obadiah (Obama: Chains you can believe in!)
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To: dools007

I hear ya. Good point. I am not persay defending Bush in this light but I recall the MSM at this time-frame having more respect than nowadays. (Specifically Dan Rather) as being one of the old school cronies. Therefore their spin was more so believed and any Bush defense was drowned out.


28 posted on 08/26/2009 8:35:29 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: dools007

As well as, the liberals perfected demonizing Bush and making him out as stupid, the big bad boogey man of war-BTW there were WMD they were moved to Syria- so well... everyone fell for it.


29 posted on 08/26/2009 8:37:56 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: Huskrrrr

Mary, you MAGNIFICENTLY ignorant slut.


30 posted on 08/26/2009 8:40:28 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

CBS

See? BS.


31 posted on 08/26/2009 8:40:50 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Obama - fooling fewer people every day.)
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To: Obadiah

see posts # 29 & 29.


32 posted on 08/26/2009 8:41:12 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: Obadiah

ooops posts # 28 & 29


33 posted on 08/26/2009 8:42:30 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: Right Wing Assault

I like that!


34 posted on 08/26/2009 8:42:46 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: zot

the story I mentioned


35 posted on 08/26/2009 8:43:30 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

any Bush defense was drowned out
Exactly! The ‘Defense’ was ignored. Many blogs had the low down on this and tried to get the attention of the SRM.

If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, did it make a sound?


36 posted on 08/26/2009 8:47:25 AM PDT by griswold3
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To: Senator John Blutarski

I have read the same thing about the F-102 being ‘a handfull’ to fly. The son of a Hollywood actor (Dean Martin?) was killed in the early 70s flying a F-102 as a member of the California Air Guard. F-102’s were built for continental air defense mission and were not fighter-bombers. I remember seeing pictures of F-102s in revetments in the first year or two of Vietnam, and then they were withdrawn when it was decided that we didn’t need them there in the air defense role but could do with the F-110.


37 posted on 08/26/2009 8:49:50 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: griswold3

‘I can see Russia from my window’ on SNLive was reported in a non biased documentary as people thinking that WAS Sarah Palin. The MSM will do ANYTHING to make Palin, Bush, any conservative out to be a nut case.


38 posted on 08/26/2009 8:56:57 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: GreyFriar
Sorry but Martin was killed flying a F4-C Phantom.

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/27/us/dean-martin-s-son-is-dead-in-jet.html

One thing many don't know is that the century series ( F-100 through F-111 ) of aircraft had a quirk where they would explode. Design weakness in the engines and fuel systems was the culprit. They had just started seeing results in solving the problem about the time President Bush got out.

39 posted on 08/26/2009 8:59:21 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

How come I have known for a number of years that President Bush volunteered for Vietnam, but Bernard Goldberg didn’t know until now? Maybe Goldberg doesn’t read Free Republic?


40 posted on 08/26/2009 8:59:27 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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To: dools007

I think W thought this stuff was way too far beneath him. Think about it. He was running the nation’s White House as it was intended (boy do I miss that) and stinking media lies were so abundant about the man. I believe he knew that someday all the truth would be revealed and it didn’t matter to him whether it was on earth, or before the Judgment Seat of the Almighty, who will one day say, “Well done.”


41 posted on 08/26/2009 9:03:18 AM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Back then blogs and FR were a vast right wing conspiracy.Like black helo stuff...

good blog on this

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/08/26/of-course-cbs-knew-bush-volunteered-to-fly-combat-missions-in-vietnam.php


42 posted on 08/26/2009 9:04:43 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: Obadiah
Google right now, these words

Bush volunteered for Vietnam.

CLICK NEWS.

NOTHING...

Case and point.

Great blogs though...

Lt. George W. Bush

Link to a NON MSM article

43 posted on 08/26/2009 9:10:28 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: GreyFriar
No, Dino Martin was flying an F-4 Phantom. He missed a checkpoint or ground controller call and flew it into the side of a mountain.

He was another Patriot.

44 posted on 08/26/2009 9:10:39 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but it they mean to have a war, let it begin here." J Parker, 1775)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Just bumped it. Thanks.


45 posted on 08/26/2009 9:17:48 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: GOPsterinMA
If I saw this pig and she was on fire, I wouldn’t piss on her.

How about if she wasn't on fire, would you piss on her?

46 posted on 08/26/2009 9:43:10 AM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: Go Gordon

Nope - she might be a fan of the golden shower.


47 posted on 08/26/2009 9:44:46 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Eric Cartman for president in 2012)
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To: mattdono
Pick up "The Wild Blue", by Stephen Ambrose. It's a biography of George McGovern's service in the Air Force.

Completely apolitical (surprised me, given the subject of the book), and an excellent history, IMHO.

And, if I recall right, McGovern's unit had an attrition rate somewhere north of 400%. So much for the Air Force being "Easy Duty".

48 posted on 08/26/2009 10:07:27 AM PDT by wbill
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

When I google it straight up, I get 245,000. (One early one is saying back in 2004 that this is a lie.)

When I hit news, we now have one whole story, this latest one.


49 posted on 08/26/2009 10:37:36 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Obama - fooling fewer people every day.)
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To: domenad
Mary Mapes was fired from CBS right after this debacle. Even they have some standards!
50 posted on 08/26/2009 11:15:17 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $1 million for Sarah Palin if she runs; What will you do?)
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