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'Freethought' Kids' Camp Launches in Texas (Temple of Darwin evangelizes children with evo-religion)
ICR ^ | August 26, 2009 | Christine Dao

Posted on 08/26/2009 8:09:07 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Even in the heart of the Bible Belt, Texas isn’t immune to the proliferation of atheistic propaganda, whether in its public schools or now in atheist summer camps.

Camp Quest—with the tagline “It’s beyond belief!”—bills itself as “the first residential summer camp in the history of the United States for the children of Atheists, Freethinkers, Humanists, Brights, or whatever other terms might be applied to those who hold to a naturalistic, not supernatural world view.”[1]

The first UK Camp Quest, which received funding from the Richard Dawkins Foundation and other private donors, launched late July in England, and five other Camp Quest locations have been established in North America.[2]...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: atheists; blasphemy; bumblegunner; catholic; christian; creation; evolution; gunningforchristians; hatesgod; humanists; humplegrunter; ibtz; intelligentdesing; moralabsolutes; science; summercamp
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1 posted on 08/26/2009 8:09:08 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: allmendream; metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 08/26/2009 8:10:36 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: All

Mark 9:42


3 posted on 08/26/2009 8:12:48 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

What - Jonestown II ???


4 posted on 08/26/2009 8:14:20 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Oh the noesss!!!

Now they’ll miss the exhibit of Jesus burying dinosaur bones in an attempt to trick us.


5 posted on 08/26/2009 8:15:39 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: GodGunsGuts

Why do you have a problem with this, GGG? It is out in the open, totally above board, and, let’s face it, the camp is evangelizing absolutely no one. The parents have already done so, evidenced by them sending their kids to this camp in the first place.


6 posted on 08/26/2009 8:17:06 AM PDT by dmz
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


7 posted on 08/26/2009 8:18:11 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Institute for Creation Research”?

LOL.
“Research”?
Really?

Cuz, they’re pretty much relying on ONE BOOK.


8 posted on 08/26/2009 8:21:56 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: GodGunsGuts

I guess they won’t be telling any ghost stories around the campfire.


9 posted on 08/26/2009 8:22:17 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: dmz

It has nothing to do with their right to do so...I have a problem with it because that “church” is teaching children to embrace a religion that rejects the God of the Bible, and leads to eternal damnation.


10 posted on 08/26/2009 8:25:13 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
As much as this is distasteful to me, the parents of these kids do have the right to send them to whatever camp they choose.

Of course, parents are held responsible for how they raised their children when they stand before God, so. . .

11 posted on 08/26/2009 8:30:20 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: HerrBlucher

True...they will be talking about how life sprang up from non-life, how intelligence came from non-intelligence, and how mankind discovered the natural selection god, and how Darwin was its prophet.


12 posted on 08/26/2009 8:30:45 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

It just goes to show that people like to teach their children
their own beliefs, and give them more exposure to reinforce those
beliefs.
At least the freethinkers say they will look at evidence.
If they said that Jesus was “lacking” cause he didn’t talk
about womens subjugation...it may give the impression that these
are very biased folks. Of the many things he talked about, the
most important one appears to be about attaining eternal
life by believing in His and His fathers work...and one of the offshoots
of belief in Him and the Father would be to love your neighbor as yourself.


13 posted on 08/26/2009 8:31:48 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Temple of Darwin summer camp, because 9 month school year is not enough to keep them in unbelief? I doubt it is ‘freethinking’, imagine what happens to kids who question the flaws in evo.


14 posted on 08/26/2009 8:32:56 AM PDT by beefree
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To: GodGunsGuts
Hey! Why stop there! Please check out this link:

Various Religious Summer Camps

And I will await your posts on how you disagree with these groups on the details of "creation". Self described groups listed in the summer camp catalog include:
Anglican
Bahai
Baptist
Bible
Catholic
Christian
Episcopal
Jewish
Latter-day Saints
Lutheran
Mennonite
Methodist
Muslim
Other Religious
Presbyterian

And if you drill down on "Other Religious" you get:

Wiki's
Native American Faiths
and (I kid you not...)
"Social Justice and Environmental Stewardship"

Are you going to post diatribes against each of these other "belief system camps" where they disagree with your YEC accounts? Or are you going to go "soft" on them because, "at least they believe in something"? I hear those Catholic Camps might actually mention "evolution" when talking to the kiddies about the life found in the great outdoors. Where is the consistancy of your convictions?

See, in our society, we have the freedom to engage and promote thoughts and opinions we find appealing.

Want to send your kids to Creationist Day Camp? Fine.
Want to start your own Creationist Day Camp? Fine too.
Don't want to send your kids to Atheist Day Camp? Also fine.

Want the entire world to think and believe exactly as you do? Not fine. Not even possible. Dangerous, in fact. If you want to live in a society where religious opinions and beliefs are a matter of law, where opposing beliefs and opinions are illegal try some country under Sharia Law.
15 posted on 08/26/2009 8:33:05 AM PDT by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I have a problem with it because that “church” is teaching children to embrace a religion that rejects the God of the Bible, and leads to eternal damnation.

So, I'm guessing you probably have the same problems with a Mormon camp? Or a Hindi one? Perhaps Jewish, too?

16 posted on 08/26/2009 8:33:24 AM PDT by gdani (I've got a new road under my wheels)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The way I see it is that religions people should not attack when reality threatens belief.

What was it that Jesus said on the cross?


17 posted on 08/26/2009 8:34:30 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (The essence of evil is found in the irrational.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
Cuz, they’re pretty much relying on ONE BOOK.

Cute, but untrue. Of course you know that. You are just attempting to be clever. Maybe next time.

18 posted on 08/26/2009 8:34:39 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

This has nothing to do with the Temple of Darwin’s right to set up a “church” to promulgate their religion. It’s about alerting the church to a new mission field, while at the same time demonstrating just how far and how fast this country is falling to the forces of evolutionary materialism.

PS This stuff should be brought up in the next court case where the Temple of Darwin tries to pretend that is not a religion.


19 posted on 08/26/2009 8:37:05 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: MEGoody

Riiiight.

Show me that missing rib and we’ll end the “missing link” nonsense.


20 posted on 08/26/2009 8:46:33 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: GodGunsGuts

Holy crap, this article has nothing to do with your made up title ‘...Darwin...” . Evolution never mentioned, or Noah’s Ark either.

More nonsense from you !


21 posted on 08/26/2009 8:46:37 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: GodGunsGuts
Camp Quest—with the tagline “It’s beyond belief!”—bills itself as “the first residential summer camp in the history of the United States for the children of Atheists, Freethinkers, Humanists, Brights, or whatever other terms might be applied to those who hold to a naturalistic, not supernatural world view.”[1]

For all those kids who have no idea why they're alive. Because they're parents won't tell them.

22 posted on 08/26/2009 8:48:13 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: GodGunsGuts

Free thought as long as you worship the doctrines of Darwin and hate any other thought. Real free there!


23 posted on 08/26/2009 8:50:33 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: dmz; GodGunsGuts
Why do you have a problem with this, GGG?

I actually think it is a great idea. There will be moments when the individual child will be away from others and able to observe the universe in its splendor. Then they will feel the inevitable tug and wonder.

24 posted on 08/26/2009 8:51:58 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: GodGunsGuts
* Ms. Dao is Assistant Editor at the Institute for Creation Research.

Wow!

You found a pro-creation article on a pro-creation site!

Daily drivel again.

25 posted on 08/26/2009 9:03:13 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: sickoflibs

The camp was originally set up by one of the high priests of the Temple of Darwin, Richard “Darwin’s Lapdog” Dawkins.


26 posted on 08/26/2009 9:31:57 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
RE :”The camp was originally set up by one of the high priests of the Temple of Darwin, Richard “Darwin’s Lapdog” Dawkins.

Really??? Well then how come they don't mention him in promoting this ‘Darwin Worship’ camp?

To contrast you mention Darwin in every single of your posts, you got a Darwin obsession. You could run the Darwin channel at FR, LOL, “All Darwin all the time”

27 posted on 08/26/2009 9:45:23 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: Rebel_Ace

Please take your contemptuous pontificating somewhere else. The guy you ripped was not saying that everyone should think like him, he was just ripping on these idiot atheist camps, which last time I check is still his right to do so.


28 posted on 08/26/2009 9:47:32 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: humblegunner

As opposed to the pro-evolution articles on the pro-evolution sites? Unfortunately for the Evos, their data is always better interpreted in terms of creation/intelligent design, as God’s creation resists naturalistic explanations. Just think of all the time and money the Evos have spent collecting data that is better interpreted by creation scientists!


29 posted on 08/26/2009 9:53:53 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Yeee-Haw!


30 posted on 08/26/2009 10:15:03 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: GodGunsGuts
I have a problem with it because that “church” is teaching children to embrace a religion that rejects the God of the Bible...

So many errors, so little time.

First of all, it's you that calls it a "church" and a "religion". They do not.

Second, "rejects". One can believe in God and evolution simultaneously. Many Christians do.

Third, "God of the Bible". No they may reject YOUR interpretation of just who God is, but they don't have to either reject God or the Bible to do so.

I know you'll find this unbelievable, but your point of view is actually very narrowly held. Many people have actually gone beyond Bishop Usher's 1650 theory of the date of creation.

31 posted on 08/26/2009 10:19:29 AM PDT by jimt
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To: jimt
The "fundies" like to think of themselves as a majority, but their brand of Christianity was basically born not in the manger but in Cane Ridge, KY in 1801.

As far as the polls showing belief in creationism, they never show you the breakdown by race and education for a good reason...

32 posted on 08/26/2009 10:22:38 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: humblegunner

What would be more surprising to you, that Jesus existed when dinos were still alive, or that Jesus actually created the dinos???


33 posted on 08/26/2009 10:22:53 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: jimt

Actually, pretty close to half the country believes that God created the world and its inhabitants fully formed and fully functional between six and ten thousand years ago.


34 posted on 08/26/2009 10:26:17 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Either would be a shocker.

God allowed for the dinosaurs to walk the earth and die out many millions of years before Jesus’ time.

Is it so hard for you to believe that God used evolution as a creation tool?

Did He tell you HOW He created? I doubt it.


35 posted on 08/26/2009 10:29:17 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: ohioman
"...contemptuous pontificating..."

Hmmm, I'll have to file that away for use later.

"..The guy you ripped was not saying that everyone should think like him..."

By his own words in this and other threads, GGG truly believes that any faiths held that contradict his view are a one way ticket to Hell. He most certainly wants everyone to share his views. To that end, he posts THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, to the point of irrational obsession, using the same handful of sources (ICR, etc)

This is probably AT LEAST his 10th post about Atheist Summer Camps for kids, to which I responded to ONE.

GGG routinely denigrates those who post opposing points of view, and in fact, you even use the term "idiot" when referencing the summer camps you disagree with.

But of course I am the one "pontificating contemptuously".
36 posted on 08/26/2009 10:30:43 AM PDT by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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To: humblegunner

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201

—and—

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1


37 posted on 08/26/2009 10:46:52 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

OK, creation and John the Baptist.

Your point?


38 posted on 08/26/2009 10:49:34 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Either would be a shocker. God allowed for the dinosaurs to walk the earth and die out many millions of years before Jesus’ time. Is it so hard for you to believe that God used evolution as a creation tool? Did He tell you HOW He created? I doubt it.

Thank you thank you, and thank you. You post a whole lot but never really say much. But these words tell a story. What exactly did God say HE did? Now I understand your disdain of Rush.

YES those dinos walked this earth multiple of (no man alive can testify with any accuracy to when) millions of years ago before God placed that soul into flesh beings. That fact has absolutely nothing to do with this godless theory of evolution.

39 posted on 08/26/2009 10:56:39 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: humblegunner

John 1:8 He himself (John the Baptist) was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light. 9The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him.

In short, Jesus created the world and everything in it, including the dinos.


40 posted on 08/26/2009 10:57:14 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Clemenza; jimt; metmom; GodGunsGuts

As far as the polls showing belief in creationism, they never show you the breakdown by race and education for a good reason...


LOL funny!

Let’s start with FR, since so many liberals are on here attacking creationism and pretending the normal majority are in the minority....

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/03/americans_overwhelmingly_suppo.html

Headline: “Americans Overwhelmingly Support Teaching Scientific Challenges to Darwinian Evolution, Zogby Poll Shows” From March 2006.

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=719

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Free Republic Poll on Evolution
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1706571/posts?page=63#63

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Creationism makes a comeback in US
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1856224/posts

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Teaching creation and evolution in schools
Solid research reveals American beliefs
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i2/teaching.asp

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Survey Finds Support Is Strong For Teaching 2 Origin Theories
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B07E4D9143BF932A25750C0A9669C8B63

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Public Divided on Origins of Life
http://people-press.org/report/254/religion-a-strength-and-weakness-for-both-parties

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Americans Believe in Jesus, Poll Says (creation poll results included)
http://derekgulbranson.com/2005/01/17/americans-believe-in-jesus/


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41 posted on 08/26/2009 11:13:27 AM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: tpanther; Clemenza; jimt; metmom

Let’s not forget that many of the greatest scientists the world has ever known have been...gasp...creationists!


42 posted on 08/26/2009 11:18:27 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Suupose I make a lasagna.

Eventually via leftovers it reaches the dog.
The dog is told I made lasagna and now it’s his.

Thousands of years later dogs have discovered that “oven”
and “pan” were used. Evidence exists of “ingredients” playing a part.

“HERESY!” cry the creationist dogs. “Humble created the
lasagna, it was told to us and we believe the word!”

Well, I did. Made that lasagna, sure enough.
I just used pan, oven & ingredients to do it.

Which dogs would I laugh at?


43 posted on 08/26/2009 11:38:52 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

The problem for your position is, he not only made the lasagna, he also made and holds together the ingredients that make the lasagna and the pan.

Collosians 1:16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.


44 posted on 08/26/2009 11:53:09 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

You miss the point deliberately.

Evolution is a tool for creation. The two are not incompatible.


45 posted on 08/26/2009 11:59:45 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner; GodGunsGuts

He told the whole world how He did it. Right here in Genesis....

Gen2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

And ....

Gen 2:19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

He clearly states how He did it and it wasn't through evolution.

46 posted on 08/26/2009 12:22:46 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

Dinosaurs too?

Did He bury fossils to trick us?

47 posted on 08/26/2009 12:42:13 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: GodGunsGuts

Nice straw man GGG, but when that is all you have I guess you have to go with it.

“It is no valid objection that science as yet throws no light on the far higher problem of the essence or origin of life” (Darwin, Charles. The Origin of Species. 6th edition, 1882. p. 421


48 posted on 08/26/2009 1:18:32 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Rebel_Ace

I suppose you would never “denigrate” that that POS Kennedy finally took a dirt nap today? Somebody griping about atheist Summer camps for kids will never be a problem with me or most Freepers.


49 posted on 08/26/2009 2:11:34 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: ohioman
I was not aware that Ted Kennedy was running an atheist summer camp. Here is my beef with these repeated postings on this forum of the same thing (over and over) by GGG:

From Webster's Dictionary:

FORUM:
"an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest."

GGG is NOT INTERESTED in "discussion". He is interested only in affirmation of his views, or the "missionary conversion" of others. Say "amen" with him, and he and his choir will ping you back and forth with essentially the same articles from the same sources over and over.

However, ask a pointed question, offer scientific references that refute a point, and you will be met with rebuttals such as, "You are Worshiping at the Temple of Darwin" or "So says 'EVILutionists'", etc, etc.

So, as I have asked in the past, WHY? Why post these things over and over and over? Who are you convincing? Every one of these threads "devolves" if you will, into the same tit for tat name calling, with very little actual back and forth conversation, which is the expressed purpose of a "Forum".

Now, you originally chided me for jumping down his throat. I have explained my position that my posting was to point out that GGG is obsessed with posting about DARWIN, DARWIN, DARWIN 24/7. There are plenty of other religious camps for kids that are SURE to hold beliefs contrary to Mr. GGG, yet I do not see the same fervor from him about those.

On these matters, I defer to our brilliant founding father, Thomas Jefferson: "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

You'll note that I do not obsessivly post new threads on my religious beliefs.
50 posted on 08/26/2009 2:49:11 PM PDT by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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