Posted on 08/26/2009 9:24:24 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
The HAR1F gene: a Darwinian paradox
Unexpected scientific outliers are always interesting, as they offer the opportunity to either identify unsuspected causal factors or to discredit cherished theories. With this in mind, some human genes show such marked dissimilarities to those of chimpanzees that they invite careful reflection. Perhaps the data conforms well with a designed cause. Alternatively, various evolutionary explanations may be invoked. Might one interpretative framework be more plausible than the other?
According to a recent report in Nature, non-random or ordered mutations can be accepted as part of an evolutionary framework. This sounds suspiciously like post facto rationalization and is remarkable since streng verboten teleological implications quickly come to mind. The article speculates on why human brains are so distinct from the brains of chimpanzees. Scientists at the Center for Biomolecular Science and Engineering at the University of California, Santa Cruz, believe they may have found a key gene, HAR1F, which helped the human brain evolve from that of putative chimp-like ancestors.[1] The Associated Press offered[2] a tantalizing overview:
‘Human brains are triple the size of chimp brains.
‘Looking at 49 areas that have changed the most between the human and chimpanzee genomes, Haussler zeroed in on an area with “a very dramatic change in a relatively short period of time”...
(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...
Since humans and dinosaurs did not live at the same time then yes finding a Clovis point embedded in a T-Rex fossil would falsify the current evolutionary theory, also you failed to answer the question that I posed to you.
Setting up a straw man, and avoiding the questions you cannot answer I guess if that is all that you have you have to go with it.
Birds are supposedly 'living dinosaurs' and crocodiles were alive at the same time as 'dinosaurs' yet co-exist with humans quite well. As previously noted, coelacanths and wollemi pine supposedly did not live at the same time as humans, until they were found alive and well in the present.
What you mean is that you require a very specific example which has not been found to-date after having ignored all of the other examples that have been found that contradict your position. This 'argument' you are so proud of is known as the cherry-picking fallacy and is firmly outside the scope of rational thought.
"Setting up a straw man, and avoiding the questions you cannot answer I guess if that is all that you have you have to go with it."
Which is what you consistently do. Funny that you continually fail to recognize that.
[[—I’ve seen you make that claim several times. Do you have a source for that?]]
I’ve provided it in several previous threads- just ran across the info doing searches on ‘chimp and human dna not similar’ (the links were foudn in the first 20 or so results)
[[The DNA sequence that can be directly compared between the two genomes is almost 99 percent identical. When DNA insertions and deletions are taken into account, humans and chimps still share 96 percent of their sequence.]]
That figure isn’t correct, and coudl be as low as 85% or so, as well, that % is only a % of the 1.5% of the entire genome- ‘non coding’ regions are not included- so genetically, we’re only similar in less than 1.5% of hte entire genome, and even in that small %, there were entire sequences missing fro mthe chimps that were ‘filled in’ using human sequences - why? Because it;’s ‘accepted’ a priori that chimps and humans must be related, and hterefore ‘exact’ i ntheir genome in the coding regions? That’s dogma, not science.
there were several links I had given before- can’t find them, but did find htis one:
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2070
OK then allow me to rephrase that, since Tyrannosaurus-Rex became extinct 63 million years prior to the appearance of the genus Homo, finding a Clovis point embedded in a T-Rex fossil would falsify the current evolutionary theory.
I did not mention anything about birds, crocodiles, alligators, coelacanths, or wollemi pine. All that misdirection and yet you still have failed to address my question to you.
How would you falsify id/creationism/cdesign proponents?
Can’t answer the question just fall back on the straw men and avoidance?
Apparently you don't understand what it means to engage in logical fallacy and actually believe that 'rephrasing' the position removes the fallacy. It does not. You can rephrase it all you want but that doesn't change the fact that you are engaging in logical fallacy.
"I did not mention anything about birds, crocodiles, alligators, coelacanths, or wollemi pine. All that misdirection and yet you still have failed to address my question to you."
Ignoring evidence that contradicts your cherry-picked example is part of the cherry-picking fallacy. That you insist on ignoring that evidence merely shows that you lack the critical-thinking skills required to recognize fallacy masquerading as 'argument'.
"How would you falsify id/creationism/cdesign proponents? Can’t answer the question just fall back on the straw men and avoidance?"
Attempt at the fallacy of affirming a disjunct is noted.
Apparently you don't understand what it means to engage in logical fallacy and actually believe that 'rephrasing' the position removes the fallacy. It does not. You can rephrase it all you want but that doesn't change the fact that you are engaging in logical fallacy.
"I did not mention anything about birds, crocodiles, alligators, coelacanths, or wollemi pine. All that misdirection and yet you still have failed to address my question to you."
Ignoring evidence that contradicts your cherry-picked example is part of the cherry-picking fallacy. That you insist on ignoring that evidence merely shows that you lack the critical-thinking skills required to recognize fallacy masquerading as 'argument'.
"How would you falsify id/creationism/cdesign proponents? Can’t answer the question just fall back on the straw men and avoidance?"
Attempt at the fallacy of affirming a disjunct is noted.
“there were several links I had given before- can’t find them, but did find htis one:”
—I used the search terms you suggested, but couldn’t find any links suggesting that human dna was used to ‘fill in’ missing parts of chimp dna either. The link you just gave also doesn’t seem to suggest such a thing (if I missed it, I’d appreciate if you pointed out where it is.)
Apparently you don't understand what it means to engage in logical fallacy and actually believe that 'rephrasing' the position removes the fallacy. It does not. You can rephrase it all you want but that doesn't change the fact that you are engaging in logical fallacy.
"I did not mention anything about birds, crocodiles, alligators, coelacanths, or wollemi pine. All that misdirection and yet you still have failed to address my question to you."
Ignoring evidence that contradicts your cherry-picked example is part of the cherry-picking fallacy. That you insist on ignoring that evidence merely shows that you lack the critical-thinking skills required to recognize fallacy masquerading as 'argument'.
"How would you falsify id/creationism/cdesign proponents? Can’t answer the question just fall back on the straw men and avoidance?"
Attempt at the fallacy of affirming a disjunct is noted.
Bravo, that is one of the better jobs of avoiding the question that I have seen in a very long time.
BTW there is absolutely zero evidence that shows that humans and Tyrannosaurus-Rex ever lived at the same time, nice try at setting up the straw man, I will at least give you partial credit for that, but I just can not overlook the fact that did not even attempt to answer the question posed to you so unfortunately I must give you a failing grade this time.
Better luck next time.
I dunno username- I can’t find my posts on the issue- Did a quick google search too- the info is out there- I did list both hte quotes and the links in previous threads
Bravo, that is one of the better jobs of avoiding the fallacy that I have seen in a very long time.
"BTW there is absolutely zero evidence that shows that humans and Tyrannosaurus-Rex ever lived at the same time, nice try at setting up the straw man, I will at least give you partial credit for that, but I just can not overlook the fact that did not even attempt to answer the question posed to you so unfortunately I must give you a failing grade this time."
BTW, it is still the logical fallacy of cherry-picking to ignore all previous evidence that also claimed absolutely zero evidence showing that humans and coelacanths or humans and wollemi pine ever lived at the same time; until it was found, that is. But I just cannot overlook the fact that you did not even attempt to understand that you engage in logical fallacy so, unfortunately, I must give you a failing grade this time.
"Better luck next time."
Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that you have the critical-thinking skills to avoid logical fallacy the next time or the time after that or the time after that...
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