Skip to comments.How to Argue with a (Guilty) Liberal
Posted on 08/27/2009 4:11:07 AM PDT by FreeManDC
Like a demanding and ill-mannered child, liberals are used to getting their way. Whenever they lapse into the losing side of an argument, they reflexively resort to name-calling and mud-slinging. Epithets like "neo-Nazi," "crypto-fascist," and "imperialist stooge" buzz like mosquitoes hovering over a Potomac swamp.
But how many conservatives who are targets of such slurs know these liberals are indulging in one of the greatest intellectual ruses in history? How many realize it's a matter of the red-faced pot calling the kettle black?
Esteemed reader, you are about to learn the truth of the long-standing love affair between American progressivism and European fascism.
As Jonah Goldberg reveals in his bestseller Liberal Fascism, that romance can be traced back to the presidency of Woodrow Wilson. The Democrat was both a progressive and racist who famously wrote, "The white men were roused by a mere instinct of self-preservation...until at last there had sprung into existence a great Ku Klux Klan, a veritable empire of the South, to protect the Southern country."
Shortly after America entered World War I in 1917, Wilson signed an Executive Order establishing the Committee on Public Information, a propaganda apparatus designed to whip Americans into a patriotic fervor. The following year Wilson pushed for the Sedition Act which banned the use of any "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language" about the government. That sweeping language served to squelch all forms of political dissent.
The notorious Sedition Act occasioned the arrest of an estimated 175,000 Americans accused of essentially failing to be sufficiently patriotic leading Goldberg to dub the Wilson presidency a "fascist police state."
For those who wonder whether the phrase "liberal fascist" is a little over the top, in fact it was coined by science fiction novelist H.G. Wells. In 1932 the progressivist Wells delivered a speech that called for a revitalization of the fading liberal movement: "the Fascists of Liberalism must...begin as a disciplined sect, but they must end as the sustaining organization of a reconstituted mankind."
Wells was also a friend and confidante of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Struggling to rescue America from the dregs of the Great Depression, FDR was fully aware of what was transpiring in Europe and sought to emulate its accomplishments. Roosevelt once bragged, "what we are doing in this country were some of things that were being done in Russia and even some of the things that were being done under Hitler in Germany."
European fascists returned the presidential compliment. In 1934 the Nazi Party's official newspaper sang the praises of FDR, describing him as a "warm-hearted leader of the people with a profound understanding of social needs." And the Fuhrer himself sent Roosevelt a private letter applauding his "heroic efforts in the interests of the American people."
Mussolini was even more enthralled with the American commander. Upon reading Roosevelt's Looking Forward, Mussolini fawned, "The appeal to the decisiveness and masculine sobriety of the nation's youth, with which Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people."
Il Duce was of course referring to the sweeping New Deal policies that established massive job programs, centralized power in vast government bureaucracies, and imposed rigid price controls on the economy.
But the ugliest chapter in the progressive-fascist alliance centered on eugenics, the pseudo-science of racial purification. Three prominent persons, all of the liberal persuasion, were prominent flag-wavers in this execrable episode of American history.
Woodrow Wilson was one of the first American politicians to promote eugenic policies. As governor of New Jersey, Wilson approved a law in 1912 that created the Board of Examiners of Feebleminded, Epileptics, and Other Defectives.
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes was another progressive icon of the era. Holmes wrote the flawed Supreme Court decision Buck v. Bell that put the legal stamp of approval on compulsory sterilization. "Three generations of imbeciles are enough," Holmes infamously wrote.
A few years later in 1934 the American Eugenics Society published the Case for Sterilization, a book that piqued the interest of the Fuhrer himself. One leading member of the American Eugenics Society was Margaret Sanger. The birth-control crusader was the moving force behind the Negro Project, which enlisted ministers such as Adam Clayton Powell, Sr. in the crusade to restrict reproduction among "inferior" stocks of Blacks.
So fellow conservatives, arise! The next time you are slandered as a proto-Nazi or angry White male (which in the liberal mind are one and the same), drag out the fascist skeletons rattling in the progressive closet. Mention Woodrow Wilson's infatuation with racial cleansing, the FDR-Hitler mutual admiration society, Justice Holmes' authorship of Buck v. Bell, and Margaret Sanger's Negro Project.
If that doesn't stop the guilty-minded liberal in his tracks, mention how progressive-inspired eugenics policies were the prime moving force behind the forced sterilization of 400,000 undesirables in Nazi Germany.
That inconvenient truth is certain to focus the discussion.
It is a mental disease.
Liberals are not moved by facts and logic. So none of this will work.
Obama or anybody for this matter will never stop the free speech of any American in this country without consequences of defence. If anyone tries to redo a "Sedition Act" the war American will bring will be on the heads of those who would be so blatantly unAmerican.
I cant talk to them...all they do is yell “Bush is stupid” and nothing else....to them thats the end of any discussion.
It IS being recreated, in bits and pieces like the fairness doctrine, human rights commissions, hate crime laws, etc. So where's the war?
The Liberal would simply state that was then, and now is different, and go on as though that statement resolved any difference in opinion whatsoever.
What guilt!? Liberals live in a World dominated by lies. They don’t know what guilt is.
Which of course has been replaced with political correctness. Goes after the same speech, that which offends someone. And it's been expanded to include any kind of speech which offends, not just anyone but rather a ‘protected’ minority. If you are white, Christian and male you it's open season on you.
The double standard is staggering. Liberals do nothing but run their mouths, using the most insulting or demeaning words they can string together. Then they accuse the Right of being the hate mongers.
Did anyone else happen to catch Andrew Breitbart on the Rush Humphrey show yesterday? Wow! He sure let loose on the recently departed Lion of the Left. I won't even try to paraphrase what he had to say, but it was so refreshing. Hopefully I can find the interview online and link to it.
For the first time in my lifetime they liberals are being actively engaged, and it's through the graces of the new media. And they don't know how to handle it! They've gone through decade after decade doing their damage the Right has been too busy making the country run, so the liberals could be liberals, to take them on. Well, that seems to have changed. The liberal MO of going on the attack at the first sign of criticism or questioning their goals worked for a lot of years. At last the Right has realized they have to take on the Left and match tactic for tactic or there won't be an America, as we know and love it, in a few years.
I sense this Obama presidency and the near-panic rush to get so much done so quickly, all of it bad for America, is the Left’s Tet Offensive. They see themselves within striking distance of taking over America.
Someone is pulling the strings. And there's a string for each piece of the liberal left. A string for race, one for wealth, another for voters, and so on. Whoever is pulling the strings has managed to convince these disparate parties that THEIR pet project or goal is within reach. Truth is the puller of the strings couldn't care less about these people and their aspirations. The moment the takeover is complete every one of these groups will be told to forget their goals and fall in line behind the string pullers or they will be destroyed.
Man, I hate sounding like a dyed in the wool, old fashioned conspiratorial lunatic fringe charter member, but there's just too much happening too quickly for it be coincidence.
Go read some history on the Sedition Act then let's continue...
Hate Crimes Law is the only one right now pushing the envelope, I'll agree.
Everyone should print it, outline it, memorize it.
Your points are well taken and I think I can confidently say that there are many who agree with you. Of course we know that Soros is one of the “string pullers” and his minions of which there must be many.
You’re not part of the “conspiratorial lunatic fringe”, there have always been those who conspire to do evil. Oh, they don’t think it evil but it is. Hold up Scripture to what they are doing at it becomes very evident, very clear, who can doubt it?
Good points, I’m glad you’re out there, that’s why FR is so valuable.
The revised law provided in part:
SECTION 3. Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, ...or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct ...the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or ...shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States ...or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully ...urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production ...or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than 20 years, or both....
United States, Statutes at Large, Washington, D.C., 1918, Vol. XL, p. 553 and following.
More than 2,000 prosecutions occurred under the original and amended Espionage Act, the most famous of which was that of Socialist spokesman and draft opponent, Eugene V. Debs, who was sentenced to 10 years in prison.
Both the Espionage Act and the Sedition Act were repealed in 1921.
Telling gruesome stories that never happened, which led to the senate cutting funds to the south Vietnamese forces which in turn caused the NVA to turn around from a full retreat, killing hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese in the process, and a war already won to be lost, and subsequently decades of needless misery and suffering and murder to follow.
The loony left just stick their fingers in their ears and yell NANANANANANA Bush NANANANANA Nixon NANANANA Haliburton NANANANA!
There is no point wasting your breath trying to reason with these brain dead and brainwashed morons. All they envison is free stuff that they think they somehow deserve which should be paid for by "rich" people and big greedy corporations that they feel shouldn't be making profits, and employing their sorry butts, those that work that is.
Liberals are not moved by facts and logic. So none of this will work.
My thoughts, as well.
The truth is that the radical leftist fringe has been working for decades to position themselves for what they see as the right time to “change America”. Listen to Glenn Beck. He's only beginning to uncover the extent to which Obama has installed openly communist party members all throughout his fiefdom. Your wildest conspiracy theories don't hold a candle on what they are doing in plain sight. And they will continue to actively destroy America while pointing at you and saying “right wing nutcase”. It's their Alinsky playbook.
...all they do is yell Bush is stupid and nothing else....
Now, that’s not fair; they also yell a lot of foul words.
Never argue with a fool, bystanders may not be able to tell which one is the fool. I forget the exact quote, as well as its author, but I try to obey it. Its better for my sanity.
Robert Ringer has written that one way to begin to doubt your sanity is to carry on a discussion with an illogical person, which describes liberals to a T.
It's not that I don't agree with you on this, but will just say I believe these people are too ridiculously anserine too pull it off.
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