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ACORN is after me regarding the census
Vanity | 27 Aug 09 | Self

Posted on 08/27/2009 7:44:31 AM PDT by PilotDave

My family got our 27? page census form. Many intrusive Q's like how many bathrooms in our house and what time to we go to work. In my continuing campain to be prisoner #1 in the gulag, I ripped off the front page and wrote the number of people living at my address and that we were all US citizens, even though they never asked in the entire booklet our citizenship. I also told them that that's all the info that Rahm and Acorn needed to know. Here's where it gets interesting. Since sending the form in, ACORN has been calling my wife's cell phone (we don't have a land line)number relentlesly, every day of the week. They always call from different area codes and leave a msg about a case number. Wow. I'm on my way.


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BTW- Here is a qoute and link to an article along these lines. For some reason this is a banned source here on FR. "Constitutionally, the only topic of a census is a head count for apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives. Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 does not contain a grant of power for any other census." http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/greenslade.htm
1 posted on 08/27/2009 7:44:32 AM PDT by PilotDave
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To: PilotDave

“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to preserve or obtain their liberty deserves the tyrants that rule them.”

The question at this point is are we actually willing to go in peace to the re-education camps, not I!


2 posted on 08/27/2009 7:47:24 AM PDT by stockpirate (Sen Kennedy, the lion of the Senate, problem is working taxpayers were his prey!)
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To: PilotDave

The Constitution is no longer in effect in the US.


3 posted on 08/27/2009 7:47:41 AM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: PilotDave

Bathrooms = 0

I go to work when I’m not too hung-over.

Please post the whole questionnaire so i can provide more answers.

This could be fun.


4 posted on 08/27/2009 7:48:09 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: PilotDave
That sounds like the American Community Survey administered by the Census Bureau. As far as I know ACORN has nothing to do with it. Because it is continually sent out to a few hundred thousand people every month it doesn't require a huge ramp up of temporary employees like the decennial census needs, so there is no need to bring in ACORN members.
5 posted on 08/27/2009 7:48:49 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("I can run wild for six months ...after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Obama-moto)
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To: PilotDave

Please keep us posted and call out if these mutts get out of hand. Im chomping at the bit to get in this fight and my very large mean dog wants to be turned loose out the back door when an ACORN activist at my front door.


6 posted on 08/27/2009 7:49:22 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (Support Sarah. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/sarahpalin?ref=nf)
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To: PilotDave
what time to we go to work

It's helpful to know when no one is home. They stole the election and now they're down to citizen's homes.

Do a good deed today. Send the remaining 26 pages to Cuba as toilet paper.

7 posted on 08/27/2009 7:50:39 AM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: KarlInOhio
Earlier thread, similar subject...

I've gotten the American Community Survey in the mail

8 posted on 08/27/2009 7:51:14 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: PilotDave

Just write unintelligible responses. That way they can’t accuse you of not answering.. you just didn’t write neatly. Then if they contact you, ask for new forms every time.


9 posted on 08/27/2009 7:51:59 AM PDT by ScottinVA (I remember Jack Kennedy... Jack Kennedy was a President of mine.. and Teddy, you're no Jack Kennedy!)
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To: PilotDave
In NJ we switched to Comcast. There wasn't much choice ... since huge trees block the path to receiving satelie TV. Anyway, periodically Comcast “news” come on. Every dead beat in politics comes on and trashes the GOP since the Demoncrats run N.J.. I hate it. I either mute it or temporarily change the channel. If it's not a politician pumping up socialism it's another group that plants flowers in some downtown ghetto, at our expense of course to revitalize the dump.

Anyway on one news cast they went to extraordinary length to reassure LLEGALS that they MUST fill out the census regardless of their status. They won't be deported. They were just counting human beings. The count of human beings was important for voting reasons and state and federal money that they could benefit from. I was LIVID! ILLEGALS should NOT be counted or entitled to state and federal money. They should be DEPORTED!

10 posted on 08/27/2009 7:52:19 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: PilotDave
I did the same thing in the last census. They actually sent a census worker to my home (a Chinese national who barely spoke English) to get the form filled out face to face. After nearly an hour on my front porch the only additional information he received was my race.

After reviewing and rejecting all of the possible choices on his list I created a new one. Since there was a Pacific Islander category and I am of British ancestry and my wife of Irish I stated the race of the inhabitants of our home to be "Atlantic Islanders" which he dutifully entered on his form.

11 posted on 08/27/2009 7:52:29 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: mewzilla
From the horse's mouth as it were...

Do I have to respond to the American Community Survey / Puerto Rico Community Survey?

Note to the Feds: Come and get me, copper :)

12 posted on 08/27/2009 7:53:12 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: PilotDave

Declaration To Make To Census Takers
“I hereby affirm that the provisions of Title 13 ``requiring’’ me to disclose my race, personal financial data, birthdate, or any other personal, private information to the Bureau of the Census, an agency of the United States government; constitutes an unreasonable, unwarranted search of my person, house, papers, and/or effects; and a governmental invasion of the sanctity of my home and the privacies of life. As such, these provisions violate the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution, and are thus wholly void and I am not bound to obey them.

I have completed the only those sections of the Census form pertaining to the Constitutionally-mandated actual enumeration, as follows:

The actual number of people living at the address printed on the form, excluding untaxed Native Americans;
Age of each person in accordance with US Const. Amendment XIV, Section 2.
Sex of each person, in accordance with US Const. Amendment XIV, Section 2.
I have thus fulfilled my obligation to the attainment of the actual enumeration of the populace of the United States.

Any fine or other sanction that is levied by any office or organization stemming from the unconstitutional provisions of Title 13 in connection with my response to this or any other Census-related questioning will be challenged in a court of law.”

http://www.lizmichael.com/census.htm


13 posted on 08/27/2009 7:53:40 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: All

bump


14 posted on 08/27/2009 7:54:21 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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To: PilotDave

You do all of us Proud.
let us know where you are sent. :)

seriously it is up to us individually to do what we can to stop obama.


15 posted on 08/27/2009 7:55:10 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: DogBarkTree

Maybe that’s the scheme, invite them in, shoot them then say they were intruders.


16 posted on 08/27/2009 7:55:14 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: PilotDave
ACORN has been calling my wife's cell phone (we don't have a land line)number relentlesly, every day of the week. They always call from different area codes and leave a msg about a case number.

You can file a formal, criminal, complaint with your local Police Department. They have the means to track down the all those callers.

I was getting weird 'unknown' cell calls (I'd answer an no one was there). I called T-Mobile and they said I should call the police. That they could find the person, company, or org that was calling.

17 posted on 08/27/2009 7:55:28 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: PilotDave

If the ACLU doesn’t protest this blatant domestic spying in the form of a census questionnaire, the ACLU will have lost the last shred of credibility.

I’m waiting for my Senators and Representatives to finish their rounds of golf, or whatever they do in Washington, and notice that we’re about to be raped.


18 posted on 08/27/2009 7:56:30 AM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: mewzilla

From your link:

(Do I have to fill out the vencus form?)

Yes. Respondents are required to answer all questions on the American Community Survey (ACS) to the best of their ability. Response to this and other Census surveys is required by law (Section 221 of Title 13, Chapter 7, United States Code). This chapter also contains information regarding offenses and possible penalties. According to Section 221, persons who do not respond shall be fined not more than $100. Title 18 U.S.C. Section 3571 and Section 3559, in effect amends Title 13 U.S.C. Section 221 by changing the fine for anyone over 18 years old who refuses or willfully neglects to complete the questionnaire or answer questions posed by census takers from a fine of not more than $100 to not more than $5,000. More information.

Your answers are very important because they represent the answers of many other similar households in your community. The data that you and others provide in response to this survey are required to manage or evaluate federal and state government programs. If you submit an incomplete form or provide data that are unclear, we may contact you by phone or in person to obtain or clarify the missing information.

The ACS is part of the Decennial Census Program. It is a survey that is sent to a small percentage of our population on a rotating basis. These data previously were collected only in census years in conjunction with the decennial census. Since the ACS is conducted every year, rather than once every ten years, it will provide more current data throughout the decade. The Census Bureau may use the information it collects only for statistical purposes. Title 13 requires the Census Bureau to keep all information about you, and all other respondents, strictly confidential. Any Census Bureau employee who violates these provisions is subject to a fine up to $250,000, a prison sentence up to five years, or both.


19 posted on 08/27/2009 7:56:47 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: PilotDave
The 2010 census for on this website http://2010.census.gov/2010census/about_2010_census/007622.html only has 6 pages to fill out if you have 12 people living in your house. Less pages if you have less.
20 posted on 08/27/2009 7:57:07 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: PilotDave

I’d tell them that I’d sue them for harrasment if they keep calling the cell phone like that. You can also report them to the FCC - I did that with a credit card marketing company that was constantly calling my cell, interrupting me, and using up my minutes.

And I’m not answering anything more than you did, either - haven’t gotten it yet but if I did would be tempted to mail it back to the source wrapped around a dog turd with a fork in it.

LQ


21 posted on 08/27/2009 7:58:15 AM PDT by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: EBH

That needs to be printed on a fine “American Citizen” letterhead.

Good Catch.


22 posted on 08/27/2009 7:59:58 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: PilotDave

It is an honor to be an enemy of 0bummerState.


23 posted on 08/27/2009 8:00:19 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("UPS and FEDEX are doing fine. It's the Post Office that's always having problems." - 0bummer)
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To: nmh
The data that you and others provide in response to this survey are required to manage or evaluate federal and state government programs.

And in refusing to provide the extraneous info, what a wonderful, non-violent way to gum up the works :)

24 posted on 08/27/2009 8:00:26 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: nmh
Any Census Bureau employee who violates these provisions is subject to a fine up to $250,000, a prison sentence up to five years, or both.

They are not Census Bureau employees. They are from ACORN who is notorious for not having the best of staff working for them. I wouldn't trust them no matter how much they claim to be from the Census.

25 posted on 08/27/2009 8:00:27 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: MrLee

Sorry but I totally disagree with that statement. Our Constitution is your only hope. It is in as much effect as we want it to be.


26 posted on 08/27/2009 8:01:49 AM PDT by RC2
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To: bgill

“Do a good deed today. Send the remaining 26 pages to Cuba as toilet paper.”

lol!!!


27 posted on 08/27/2009 8:02:51 AM PDT by RaiderRose (No thanks, Barry. You can keep the Change.)
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To: Natural Law

When it comes to “Race”, I always check “other” and then write in “Human”. Hey, I answered the question, and I challenge you to prove me wrong!


28 posted on 08/27/2009 8:03:13 AM PDT by SpeedRacer (Where's your records, B-HO? What are you hiding?)
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To: LizardQueen

“I’d tell them that I’d sue them for harrasment if they keep calling the cell phone like that. You can also report them to the FCC”

I’m sure that the feds wrote an exception to the telemarketing rules that prohibit cell phone solicitation. Do as I say, not as I do you know...


29 posted on 08/27/2009 8:03:51 AM PDT by PilotDave (America; nice while it lasted... I miss it already.)
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To: EBH
I wouldn't trust them either but Obama has given them part of this task to do.

I wonder how our military feels about Obama. I'd love to hear their reaction to Obama’s end your life options. Just thinking about things ..........

30 posted on 08/27/2009 8:05:12 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: July4
The ACLU didn't get its panties in a bunch over this...

EDITORIAL: Snooping for clunkers Government trades car credits for access to computer files

The ACS isn't gonna bug 'em :(

31 posted on 08/27/2009 8:05:50 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

It’s all about MONEY and taking away your rights.


32 posted on 08/27/2009 8:05:59 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Census data is also big business. Just imagine if millions of people refused to co-operate....


34 posted on 08/27/2009 8:07:09 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: PilotDave

They will get mine back directly from the Post Office where I pick up my mail...Return to Sender.


35 posted on 08/27/2009 8:09:33 AM PDT by Birdsbane ("Onward through the fog!" ... Oat Willie)
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To: PilotDave

Find out what the last census had for averages and answer all the questions with those averages:)


37 posted on 08/27/2009 8:10:31 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: EBH

That statement along with the form with all non-required areas solidly blacked out (like redacted sections of public documents), only leaving the constitutionally required questions with answers.


38 posted on 08/27/2009 8:10:40 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: PilotDave
I experienced the very same scenario. I sent in the copy with the number of people living at our home. They were relentless in calling until the point I accidently answered the phone on a non caller id phone. I was trapped. I told the sob I had sent in my info. He replied, “I know, it is incomplete.” I advised That was intentional. He proceeded to say the regular bs about fines, etc. I asked hime how many had actually been charged and fine, he did not know. He added he could ask me the relevant questions on the phone. I replied,”What if I choose not to answer?” He replied he would respond appropriately however I would respond. So, twenty minutes later, he gaot the number of people living at out home, many unanswered questions, and some off the wall responses to some of the more ridiculus questions. When it was over, he thanked me and mentioned the call had been amusing and entertaining......
39 posted on 08/27/2009 8:11:33 AM PDT by Born In America ("O.B.A.M.A.: One Big A** Mistake, America....")
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To: PilotDave

Number of Bathrooms; Depends on the time of day and how much I have to eat or drink.

How many miles do I drive to work, and what time do I leave?; Depends on what car I drive, what route I take and what day I work. Pick a number between 0 and 75. The time?; never the same two days in a row.

How long am I away from home? Well, I work 8 or 12 hour days, you figure it out. And what hours am I away from home? And where do I keep my cash and valuables? And what is the best time to find me home? And do I have a security system? A mean dog?

You get the picture. ACORN has expenses not funded by Dear Leader that cover near enough of our worker lifestyles. They have to make ends meet somehow.


40 posted on 08/27/2009 8:11:46 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Give me LIBERTY or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: MrLee

That’s true ONLY if the citizens let it happen. And we aren’t going to let that happen! Stand up for America!


41 posted on 08/27/2009 8:11:57 AM PDT by Freddd (Government run health care=paying more and being denied what we already have.)
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To: EBH

If they are contracted by the Census Bureau then they are working as contract employees. The CB is on the hook. If they are not contracted or otherwise employeed by the CB then their forms and calls are illegal.


42 posted on 08/27/2009 8:12:25 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: PilotDave

Wife & I escorted the “census taker” off our property.


43 posted on 08/27/2009 8:12:28 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: nmh
Respondents are required to answer all questions on the American Community Survey (ACS) to the best of their ability

This is the key. Tell them something, anything, just don't tell them the truth. I'm a hispanic, high school drop out, union member, making $453,069 and my religion is wiccan.

44 posted on 08/27/2009 8:13:10 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: July4
If the ACLU doesn’t protest this blatant domestic spying in the form of a census questionnaire, the ACLU will have lost the last shred of credibility.

The ACLU still has a shred of credibility?

45 posted on 08/27/2009 8:13:19 AM PDT by airborne (Don't let history record that, when faced with evil, you did nothing!)
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To: Drango
I'm a hispanic, high school drop out, union member, making $453,069 and my religion is wiccan.

Uh Oh You now owe $453,000 in taxes.

46 posted on 08/27/2009 8:17:50 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: RJS1950

That still doesn’t mean I should trust them. ;)


47 posted on 08/27/2009 8:20:00 AM PDT by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: MARTIAL MONK

Goofing on the census is fun. I tell the truth to the IRS :-)


48 posted on 08/27/2009 8:20:08 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: PilotDave

This is ACORN we’re talking about.
If you don’t fill it out, they’ll do it for you.
In triplicate.


49 posted on 08/27/2009 8:21:05 AM PDT by MrLuigi (incompetence)
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To: PilotDave

What time do we go to work?

Well, looking at the future of the American workforce under Obummer, the volunteer program is looking pretty good and going to work for the volunteer program looks like the day will start somewhere between 9-10am and end around 2pm.

However, this is dependent on approximately 10 variables.

Have a nice day.


50 posted on 08/27/2009 8:23:38 AM PDT by TheDailyChange (Politics,Conservatism,Liberalism)
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