Skip to comments.What is your overall feeling about Kennedy? (Poll Question)
Posted on 08/27/2009 9:21:17 PM PDT by OneVike
Here are two poll questions about Ted Kennedy the swimmer.
What is your overall feeling about Kennedy?
How important is Chappaquiddick to Kennedy's legacy?
He looks bad already, but I sure would like to see him look a lot worse still. The guy deserves as much respect as he gave Mary Jo on that late night in 69 when he allowed her to die instead of trying to rescue her.
If obituaries were written based on Google Trends results, Chappaquiddick would be in the first paragraph of Sen. Ted Kennedy's obituary.
"Chappaquiddick" and other search terms related to the car accident on Martha's Vineyard that killed Mary Jo Kopechne account for four of the top 10 on the list as this is being written.
Sen. Ted Kennedy's car is pulled from the water at Chappaquiddick July 19, 1969. Mary Jo Kopechne's body was found in the back seat
(Excerpt) Read more at news.aol.com ...
However, we need to remember what Ted has done and I would like all polls to reflect our true opinion of him, after all we all must live with the consequences of having Ted spend over 40 years in Congress making laws that he himself never intended to live or die by.
In the future when I think Of Ted Kennedy, I would rather think of his true legacy.
Come to think of it he never stood in front of a jury of his piers...
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What is your overall feeling about Kennedy?
Total Votes: 39,829
Note on Poll Results
He sold his soul to the Mafia(or somebody else) to get help with the Kopechne affair..
what? his last name wasn’t enough?
The comments after the article are pretty rough. No love for Chappaquiddick Fats there!
And yet, the media is covering his passing as though he was bigger in the minds of American's than Elvis and MJ combined.
Strange world we live in these days.
Make you wonder how he ever got re-elected all those years.
Bob Shrum can get out all the violins he wants - the younger generation had no reason to be enthralled by the Ted Kennedy that appeared in the past 30 years, and they have no memories of “Camelot”. You hear a few elderly folks in Massachusetts interviewed who have been consuming the Kennedy Kool-aid for years, but elsewhere, people saw him pretty objectively of late. And that’s not favorable to him.
But the biggest "learning moment" Kennedy's death has provided is the sheer number of people that either have never heard of Chappaquiddick or realized how the whole story was sanitized by a pro-Dem media and pro-Dem educational system.
Breaking the liberal mindset always starts in small ways and this revelation of how protected the Kennedy's were by the liberal establishment will jump start many political conversions.
Did you see that caption right by his picture near the poll?
Cancer Claims Liberal Lion
Shouldn’t that read Cancer Claims Liberal Lyin’?
From the article: “And so, as unpleasant as it may be, no review of Kennedy’s life is complete without a mention of Chappaquiddick’s part in his legacy.”
But yet you dingbats chose to put this question in your poll...idiot.
the Obama kids voted for obama not because he is a liberal and not even because he is black but because he was cool and hip. Obama is a slick polished celebrity while teddy was just some old fat white dorky guy.
HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOCKED UP FOR LEAVING KOPECHNE TO DIE.
PS I could be wrong but Arlington appears to have lowered the standards to be buried there. I seem to remember that only those who had received a PH or CMOH were buried there.
Oh well...America has lowered her standards; so I am not surprised that Arlington has too.
sorry, but if one of the choices isnt “fat drunk & communist” I really cant vote...
piers ??? Freudian or sarc ??? lolol...
On July 18, 1969, Kennedy and five other men all but one of whom was married met six single young women who had worked on Robert Kennedys 1968 campaign. The women were known as the Boiler Room Girls for their tireless work in a windowless office in that ill-fated campaign. All of them, especially Teddy, had grieved hard when Bobby had been killed 15 months earlier. Although he was only 37 years of age, Teddy had lost all three of his brothers; two to assassins bullets, one in the skies over England in World War II. Mary Jo Kopechne had felt gut-shot by Bobbys murder, too. For all of those people who met in the cottage in the island off Marthas Vineyard, getting together must have been cathartic.
Sometime late at night after an evening of drinking, Kennedy and Kopechne went for a drive in his 1967 Oldsmobile. Kennedy placed the time he left at 11:15 p.m. A local cop who believed he saw the car put the time at 12:40 a.m. significant at the time because Kennedy testified that he was taking Kopechne to a ferry that ran to Edgartown, a ferry that stopped running at midnight. In any event, Kennedy wasnt headed toward the ferry landing when his car careened off Dike Bridge and into the inlet known as Poucha Pond; they were heading toward the beach.
Kennedy got out of the car alive, Mary Jo Kopechne did not. He said he dived down several times to try and rescue her, before walking back to the cottage where his friends were staying. To do so, he passed at least four houses with working telephones, including one 150 yards from the accident with a porch light on as well as a firehouse with a pay phone. When he got to the cottage, none of the women were told what happened. According to the 763-page coroners inquest, this was just the first of a series of appalling decisions Kennedy made that night, decisions that stretch credulity.
First of all, he and two of the men, a cousin named Joseph Gargan and a friend named Paul Markham say they returned to the bridge to try and rescue Mary Jo. (If the Edgartown constable who believes he saw Kennedy was accurate, this was impossible.) Next, the men claimed that they drove Kennedy to the Chappaquiddick ferry landing, where he told them not to tell the other women for fear that they would try to rescue Mary Jo at great peril to themselves and assured them that he would report the incident to authorities. Then, the men said, Kennedy dove into the water and swam across the sound to Edgartown himself.
Upon reaching Edgartown, Kennedy went to his room at a local inn it was now 2:25 a.m., where he spent the night, and the following morning engaged in small talk about sailing with a local yachter and agreed to have breakfast with the man when Gargan and Markham showed up about 7:30. They asked him who hed called about the accident only to receive the astounding reply: no one. Kennedy explained it this way at the inquest: I just couldnt gain the strength within me, the moral strength, to call Mrs. Kopechne at 2 in the morning and tell her that her daughter was dead. But he hadnt called the cops, either, and wouldnt until 9 a.m.
Not reporting a fatal traffic accident is a felony in most places. On Marthas Vineyard, if the driver is a Kennedy, its not even a matter of official curiosity: The local police chief never even asked Kennedy why he waited nine hours to report what had happened. The state of Massachusetts, citing Kennedys excessive speed on the bridge, suspended his license for six months. That was it.
He was a penis with ears.
Can I say that?
Does that register on the poll.
Works for me. I disliked Teddy because I knew him over the years, was fully aware of the kind of person he was. His father was a ruthless bastard with a lot of money, determined to jam his kids down the throats of the voting public. And he managed to manufacture an image, in the early days of political marketing, that got JFK elected. But any serious evaluation of what Teddy was, and did, is lost on the younger generations - and that, ironically, will be the great thing to watch as an attempt at hagiography begins and is received with a big yawn and a “whatever” by people under, say, 45.
The question is, is the one murder (okay manslaughter) he committed worse than his awful 47 year record of selling out the entire country?
Thursday, August 27, 2009 National Review Online
Q: What Would Mary Jo Kopechne Have Thought of Ted’s Career? [Mark Hemingway]
We don’t know how much Kennedy was affected by her death, or what she’d have thought about arguably being a catalyst for the most successful Senate career in history. What we don’t know, as always, could fill a Metrodome.
Still, ignorance doesn’t preclude a right to wonder. So it doesn’t automatically make someone (aka, me) a Limbaugh-loving, aerial-wolf-hunting NRA troll for asking what Mary Jo Kopechne would have had to say about Ted’s death, and what she’d have thought of the life and career that are being (rightfully) heralded.
Who knows maybe she’d feel it was worth it.
08/27 08:24 PMShare
Oh that’s just nasty
My mom told me many years ago to never speak ill about the recently departed, so I choose not to respond.
Friday, August 28, 2009
“One of His favorite topics of humor was Chappaquiddick” [Mark Hemingway]
Jules Crittenden mentioned on his blog he heard Ed Klein, former foreign editor of Newsweek and editor-in-chief of The New York Times Magazine, recalling on air that Ted Kennedy liked to joke about Chappaquiddick. It seemed to defy belief, so I listened to the episode of The Diane Rehm Show in question and sure enough I’ve transcribed what Klein told guest host Katy Kay (Here’s a link to the audio in WMA format, relevant portion starts at about 30:15):
I don’t know if you know this or not, but one of his favorite topics of humor was indeed Chappaquiddick itself. And he would ask people, “have you heard any new jokes about Chappaquiddick?” That is just the most amazing thing. It’s not that he didn’t feel remorse about the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, but that he still always saw the other side of everything and the ridiculous side of things, too.
EXCUSE ME? If that’s true it makes Kennedy kind of a monster. The odd thing is that if you listen to the whole show, the tone of everyone involved is nauseatingly haigographic and reverential. Klein apparently let his guard down a bit; after he lets it slip Kennedy liked to joke about the woman he killed you can actually hear in his voice that he’s trying to backpedal. The show actually cuts to a break as he’s trying to explain himself, and I seriously wonder if it wasn’t the producers trying to do Klein a favor. But I’m sorry, there appears to be little to that could explain this. It goes way beyond “you had to be there.”
08/28 12:09 AMShare
Ted’s entire life was spent spending other peoples money.
The only money he ever “earned” was in the Senate and that wouldn’t even pay is food/beer bill.
The organizers are no doubt trying to make this a huge national outpouring. The one funeral that had the truest and most sincere outpouring of grief was President Ronald Reagan’s. That was true American grief from true Americans.
God help the pallbearers.
oh I waited 24 hours
When a liberal knows he about to die, is he repentant? Or is he a liberal to the end?
...say they returned to the bridge to try and rescue Mary Jo. (If the Edgartown constable who believes he saw Kennedy was accurate, this was impossible.)...
How ??? the alibi 'time request' back at the inn ???
Kennedy dove into the water and swam across the sound to Edgartown himself.
what are we talkin here ??? 100 yds ??? 1/4 mile ???
what distance would you allow your cousin to swim in dark currents after flippin a car ???
thanks in advance...
In the old days, it was 3 days before you knew for sure if he was dead, or just 'dead drunk.'
So you figure he’s good and cold by now?
he’s as dead as mary jo kopechne (...which means that he doesn’t deserve even second more than 24 hours)
Eww. What gives with his right hand? It seems to have rotted off,
1 Any member of the armed forces who dies on active duty.
2. Members retired from active military service.
3. Any former member of the armed forces who served on active duty (other than for training) and whose last service ended honorably.
4. A member on authorized inactive duty training, including training performed as a member of the Army National Guard or the Air National Guard (23USC,502).
5.Certain Reserve and ROTC members who die while on active duty, while training or on authorized travel, or while hospitalized as the result of active duty, training, or authorized travel.
6. American members of allied forces whose last service ended honorably.
7. Certain commissioned officers of NOAA or USPHS.
8. A former member of a group that has been certified as active military service for the purpose of receiving VA benefits under the provisions of Section 401, P>I>95-202.
9. The spouse, unmarried minor or dependent adult child of any of the above.
10. the surviving spouse of a previously interred person. Taken from the MOAA Guide to Military Burials. I hope this answers the question of who is eligible for Arlington National Cemetery.
Kennedy’s Chappaquiddick statement
Edward Kennedy presents his side of the Chappaquiddick incident in this address.Photograph by: Screen grab, YouTubeThe following is an edited and abbreviated transcript of Edward Kennedy’s statement following the Chappaquiddick controversy:
There is no truth, no truth whatever, to the widely circulated suspicions of immoral conduct that have been leveled at my behavior and hers regarding that evening. There has never been a private relationship between us of any kind. I know of nothing in Mary Jo’s conduct on that or any other occasion and the same is true of the other girls at that party that would lend any substance to such ugly speculation about their character.
Nor was I driving under the influence of liquor.
Little over one mile away, the car that I was driving on an unlit road went off a narrow bridge which had no guard rails and was built on a left angle to the road. The car overturned in a deep pond and immediately filled with water. I remember thinking as the cold water rushed in around my head that I was for certain drowning. Then water entered my lungs and I actual felt the sensation of drowning. But somehow I struggled to the surface alive.
I made immediate and repeated efforts to save Mary Jo by diving into the strong and murky current, but succeeded only in increasing my state of utter exhaustion and alarm. My conduct and conversations during the next several hours, to the extent that I can remember them, make no sense to me at all.
Although my doctors informed me that I suffered a cerebral concussion, as well as shock, I do not seek to escape responsibility for my actions by placing the blame either on the physical and emotional trauma brought on by the accident, or on anyone else. I regard as indefensible the fact that I did not report the accident to the police immediately.
Instead of looking directly for a telephone after lying exhausted in the grass for an undetermined time, I walked back to the cottage where the party was being held and requested the help of two friends, my cousin, Joseph Gargan and Phil Markham, and directed them to return immediately to the scene with me this was sometime after midnight in order to undertake a new effort to dive down and locate Miss Kopechne. Their strenuous efforts, undertaken at some risk to their own lives, also proved futile.
All kinds of scrambled thoughts all of them confused, some of them irrational, many of them which I cannot recall, and some of which I would not have seriously entertained under normal circumstances went through my mind during this period. They were reflected in the various inexplicable, inconsistent, and inconclusive things I said and did, including such questions as whether the girl might still be alive somewhere out of that immediate area, whether some awful curse did actually hang over all the Kennedys, whether there was some justifiable reason for me to doubt what had happened and to delay my report, whether somehow the awful weight of this incredible incident might in some way pass from my shoulders. I was overcome, I’m frank to say, by a jumble of emotions: grief, fear, doubt, exhaustion, panic, confusion, and shock.
Instructing Gargan and Markham not to alarm Mary Jo’s friends that night, I had them take me to the ferry crossing. The ferry having shut down for the night, I suddenly jumped into the water and impulsively swam across, nearly drowning once again in the effort, and returned to my hotel about 2 a.m. and collapsed in my room.
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He was never prosecuted for a DUI Homicide and had to bury his family. He lived a hard life.
How about “he was a pig’s crooked penis with ears”?
From the looks of the poll results, he isn’t thought of well at all. The RATS are losing favor with the people, would imagine O’s numbers will be that bad very soon!
Well they will continue to try but already reports are out that TV viewership is very low and FOX, I read, is taking the hint and not doing wall-to-wall coverage (I’m without TV at the present time). I hope they keep trying with all their might....just another example of the marxists ramming something down our throats only we are not buying it! People are slowly but surely catching on to their tactics!
They will need help and 12 strong men to carry that fat pig to his appointment with Satan.