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The Kennedy Funeral - A Golden Opportunity or Capitulation for the Catholic Church
Life Site News ^ | 8-26-09 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 08/27/2009 10:22:18 PM PDT by STARWISE

Saturday's grandiose Catholic funeral for Senator Ted Kennedy has the potential to be a scandal that will make Notre Dame's Obama Day a walk in the park.

With all four living former Presidents in attendance and an address from President Barack Obama, the funeral is set to be a royal crowning, right inside a Catholic Church, of a man who betrayed the most fundamental moral teachings of the faith.

What example will this give to Catholics and the rest of the world looking in? It will surely belie the Catholic teachings on the sanctity of life and sexuality.

"Surely," they will say, "if one of the most vociferous proponents of abortion and homosexuality in politics is so feted in the Church, the Church cannot possibly regard abortion as murder."

Would anyone so honor one who so advocated what the church officially considers an "unspeakable crime"?

The Church in the US has suffered a dangerous precedent with the recent Notre Dame award to President Obama. However, President Obama is not Catholic. Therefore, the impact of the scandal was blunted.

Regarding Senator Kennedy, however, the stakes are much higher in terms of scandal and public relations.

Kennedy, began his life as a Catholic in great ceremony. At age seven, he received his First Communion from Pope Pius XII in the Vatican. He was also pro-life early in his political career.

"Wanted or unwanted, I believe that human life, even at its earliest stages, has certain rights which must be recognized - the right to be born, the right to love, the right to grow old," he wrote in 1971.

However, abandoning the practice of faith is regarded as worse than never having known.

The Bible, in the second book of Peter teaches: "For if, flying from the pollutions of the world, through the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they be again entangled in them and overcome: their latter state is become unto them worse than the former. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of justice than, after they have known it, to turn back from that holy commandment which was delivered to them." (2 Peter 2:20-21)

Rev. Patrick Tarrant, pastor of the Church where Kennedy is to be buried has informed the media that he was present at Kennedy's death and thus hopefully the senator made a last confession and was reconciled with the Church.

However, only a public repudiation of his militantly anti-life and anti-family actions would serve to lessen the scandal of the upcoming funeral extravaganza.

I don't discount that that might be coming. After all, Kennedy did have President Obama deliver a letter to the Pope when Obama made his visit to the Vatican in July. Although unlikely, given the Senator's recent, intense support for Obama's health care reforms, perhaps there was a public confession in the letter waiting to be released. We can hope and pray.

If we assume a private confession was made there could be a private funeral Mass for the family, without politicians and media. And of course there would still be a secular memorial event, with all the pomp and ceremony for this star of the secular world.

Such a deliberately subdued Catholic liturgical event for the Senator would, at this time, with the announcement of the Catholic funeral already out, come at the cost of enduring the rage of those who have become used to the Church giving in to their demands. However, the eternal benefit would be to send a clear message to Catholic politicians in particular, and to the public in general, that the Church is actually serious about the sanctity of human life.

It could also be an opportunity for Church leaders to repent of having failed to work hard enough to bring wayward Catholic politicians back to faith, or even of having in many cases led them away from the faith, as some clergy are known to have influenced Kennedy.

It would not be the first time the Church has apologized for not living up to it's pro-life convictions. In 2000, when Pope John Paul II was making his much touted "Universal Prayer" of "Confession Of Sins And Asking For Forgiveness" one of the ignored apologies concerned the unborn.

Then-Archbishop François Xavier Nguyên Van Thuân prayed "let us pray for those who are most defenseless, the unborn killed in their mother's womb or even exploited for experimental purposes by those who abuse the promise of biotechnology and distort the aims of science."

The Pope responded in prayer, "God, our Father, you always bear the cry of the poor. How many times have Christians themselves not recognized you in the hungry, the thirsty and the naked, in the persecuted, the imprisoned, and in those incapable of defending themselves, especially in the first stages of life. For all those who have committed acts of injustice by trusting in wealth and power and showing contempt for the "little ones" who are so dear to you, we ask your forgiveness: have mercy on us and accept our repentance. We ask this through Christ our Lord."

Canada suffered a similar scandal in 2000, with the death of former Catholic Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau.

Despite his having legalized abortion, divorce and homosexuality he was given a state funeral in Montreal's Notre-Dame Basilica, presided over by the archbishop of Montreal, Cardinal Jean-Claude Turcotte. One of the pallbearers was Cuba's communist president Fidel Castro.

Five months after the funeral Calgary Bishop Fred Henry was asked if he were offended by Trudeau’s funeral. He replied: “Yes, I was.... there were some issues or questions there that might make one kind of pause and consider whether or not this was an appropriate funeral to have or not."


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1 posted on 08/27/2009 10:22:19 PM PDT by STARWISE
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To: nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Lady In Blue; fatima; NYer; ELS; Salvation; elcid1970; RobbyS; ...

~~Bump


2 posted on 08/27/2009 10:22:54 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE

The Bushes shouldn’t be getting within a thousand miles of that place. They ought to know better.


3 posted on 08/27/2009 10:24:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: STARWISE

I can’t even mutter “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do” because the Kennedy’s know exactly what they’re doing.


4 posted on 08/27/2009 10:26:54 PM PDT by elizabethgrace (Obama's Deficit Projections Assume That He & Congress Will Stop Spending)
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To: STARWISE

“Canada suffered a similar scandal in 2000, with the death of former Catholic Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau.

Despite his having legalized abortion, divorce and homosexuality he was given a state funeral in Montreal’s Notre-Dame Basilica, presided over by the archbishop of Montreal, Cardinal Jean-Claude Turcotte. One of the pallbearers was Cuba’s communist president Fidel Castro.”


Heey, maybe they can get Castro to be a pallbearer at Ted Kennedy’s funeral as well.


5 posted on 08/27/2009 10:34:29 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Why not all of the banana republic presidente’s?


6 posted on 08/27/2009 10:36:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: elizabethgrace

It’s a real challenge.

I assume this issue, of a Catholic funeral, must have been taken up with Kennedy before his death. Personally, I would prefer that he not be given the honor of a Mass from the Catholic Church, but that’s not for me to say.

I think this will be put to use against Catholics and I think it sends a wrong message to our young people.


7 posted on 08/27/2009 10:37:38 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Live Free or Fight")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Why not all of the banana republic presidente’s?”


Most of them are neither Communist nor mass murderers, and thus not worthy of being one of Ted Kennedy’s pallbearers.


8 posted on 08/27/2009 10:38:28 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Fred Thompson appears human-sized because he is actually standing a million miles away.)
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To: STARWISE

The generalization is too sweeping. The Catholic Church has not changed its position, nor will it just to accommodate the funeral of a sinner. The responsibility lies with the archdiocese of Boston. And, if Kennedy went to confession and confessed his sins, received absolution and communion, he died in a state of grace, and would be entitled to a Catholic funeral Mass.


9 posted on 08/27/2009 10:39:10 PM PDT by redhead (Demand that congress abide by the 10th Amendment. O-care is ILLEGAL.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

“Heey, maybe they can get Castro to be a pallbearer at Ted Kennedy’s funeral as well.”

How’s about a little help from “the Last Brother”.

He’s got the ball now!


10 posted on 08/27/2009 10:39:27 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("Live Free or Fight")
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To: STARWISE

With nary a word on the diddling of little boys over the centuries, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a holy smack-down of Teddy during his funeral .


11 posted on 08/27/2009 10:49:19 PM PDT by WackySam
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Ping


12 posted on 08/27/2009 10:50:48 PM PDT by Faith
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To: HiTech RedNeck
re:The Bushes shouldn’t be getting within a thousand miles of that place. They ought to know better.)))

Abso-freepin'--lutely.

But the Glamour of the Kennedys seduces the Bushes. They long to be accepted into the circle. Laura so wishes to be embraced by the Irish TRASH. They hold honest middle-class conservatives in contempt....those poor white trash. Don't ask me anymore to contribute to any libraries for W, Laura. I know you wouldn't sit down at a table with the likes of me.

Fie on the Bushes.

13 posted on 08/27/2009 10:53:13 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney?)
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To: STARWISE

Nice to see SOME pointed discussion of the outrages.

However, the bottom line is clearly

BUSINESS as usual.

Horrific.


14 posted on 08/27/2009 10:56:42 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: incredulous joe

“I think this will be put to use against Catholics and I think it sends a wrong message to our young people.”

I agree. I picture Mother Theresa giving her speech at the UN (I think that’s where it was) wherein this tiny lady passionately defended the unborn. Then I picture the forthcoming funeral circus at which a lineup of so-called Catholics will take communion, including Pelousi, Biden, all the Kennedys and so on.

And the circus will include a plethora of robed and adorned priests, Bishops and Cardinals.

I was raised and educated Catholic and I recall being taught about the subject of scandal. Apparently it has been forgotten as a teaching of the ‘Mother Church’.

I’m glad I’m no longer Catholic and participate in a church that steadfastly defends the life of the unborn.


15 posted on 08/27/2009 10:56:53 PM PDT by Happyinmygarden (Yes, actually, I have pretty much seen and heard it all before...)
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To: redhead

This is true. We are all delivered to the mercy of God and we pray at Mass, “look not on my sins, but on the faith of thy Holy Church” and faith shared by saints, and holy men and women of orders in churches,convents and monasteries is solid as the rock of Gibraltar.


16 posted on 08/27/2009 11:01:50 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: redhead

“And, if Kennedy went to confession and confessed his sins, received absolution and communion, he died in a state of grace, and would be entitled to a Catholic funeral Mass.”

I would think that part of the penance for absolution would include, since he was very public with his views, would be to renounce them publicly. Being a Catholic for all these years, anything less would be heresy, IMHO.

I for one, will loose an awful lot of respect for my Church if theu honer him...


17 posted on 08/27/2009 11:16:23 PM PDT by babygene
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To: Steelfish

“This is true.”

No it’s not... See #17


18 posted on 08/27/2009 11:19:04 PM PDT by babygene
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To: STARWISE
We have no idea if Senator Kennedy had a deathbed re-conversion. (He could then have a Catholic funeral.) We cannot judge.

Beginning Catholic: The Anointing of the Sick: Comfort and Healing [Ecumenical]

19 posted on 08/27/2009 11:22:53 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Mamzelle

Oh my goodness .. that is so nasty and offensive.

Is there no decorum and civility left?


20 posted on 08/27/2009 11:27:21 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE

If the Catholic Church gives him a Mass, with Sacraments, they are hypocrites just like he is.


21 posted on 08/27/2009 11:36:09 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: WackySam
"With nary a word on the diddling of little boys over the centuries, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a holy smack-down of Teddy during his funeral ."

Bullseye! That's EXACTLY what I was thinking! (And you expressed that in a much nicer way than I would have been able to.)

22 posted on 08/27/2009 11:40:37 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Salvation

I knew this guy’s funeral would be bring out the Catholic bashers....


23 posted on 08/27/2009 11:43:25 PM PDT by SMCC1
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To: SMCC1

Sure as shootin’ ..


24 posted on 08/28/2009 12:08:55 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Salvation; SMCC1

I am a Catholic and I know all about death bed confessions...

However, this Non-Catholic Kennedy was on his “death bed” for more than 6 months. It’s simply not believable that he had a change of heart in the last 30 seconds.

This harms the Church immeasurably if this precedes. It shows them to be talking out of their ass...


25 posted on 08/28/2009 12:15:43 AM PDT by babygene
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To: STARWISE

The funeral will be held at The Mission Church of Boston.
http://www.themissionchurchboston.com/

I don’t think this is a regular RTC Chgurch. It may be one of those outside the limits churches attended by leftists who call themselves Catholics like Kerry and Kennedy. Those who support abortion, are divorced and remarried.

How does the Catholic Church explain a Catholic funeral for Teddy?

Certainly will not be a High Requiem Mass presided over by the Archbishop of Boston.


26 posted on 08/28/2009 12:22:03 AM PDT by Cincinna (TIME TO REBUILD * PALIN * JINDAL * CANTOR 2012)
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To: incredulous joe

It sure does.

ITA.

But, it happens all the time with people not in the public eye. We all see his sins. We see what he and others like him have been allowed to get away with because of their status. It sends a horrible message, imo, to our young and the rest of us.

However, at the same time, this life is temporary and eternity is forever and who knows what his meeting with Jesus was like or what transpired. He wasn’t a Catholic, or a rather a practicing Catholic and it’s obvious he didn’t follow the dogma let alone the doctrine that is the Catholic Church.

I hate what he’s done to this Country. His eternal life is up to God.


27 posted on 08/28/2009 12:37:31 AM PDT by Twink
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To: WackySam

Oh please.

Yes, it was a scandal and horrific but not as widespread as the MSM would have one believe. And if you think for one second this is any more prevalent in the Catholic Church than other churches and other institutions, than you’re clueless.


28 posted on 08/28/2009 12:40:15 AM PDT by Twink
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To: Happyinmygarden

Oh please, again! The Catholic Church has defended the lives of the unborn more than any other.

One must remember that the Catholic Church, and all Churches, is run by humans and humans err. The teachings are clear. There are Bishops all over the world that don’t follow the teachings, dogma and doctrine, of the Catholic Church. They should be removed, imo. Just as anyone, Priests, nuns, etc. should be reprimanded and/or removed when they don’t follow the teachings.

You’re no longer Catholic so why do you even care what happens in the Catholic Church? Why does anyone care what happens in the Church they don’t follow? As long as it’s not affecting the laws of this land, who gives a damn what other churches/religions think other than their own?


29 posted on 08/28/2009 12:48:56 AM PDT by Twink
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To: STARWISE

If I go back to my 16 years of Catholic education, including the last four with the Jesuits, I fail to see how the Church can have a public funeral mass without causing a scandal. Kennedy was divorced, lived a scandalous life and openly promoted and defended abortion and homosexuality.
But, then again, I’ve lost all hope that our Bishops have anything to do with Catholic teachings but are merely poor accountants.


30 posted on 08/28/2009 12:49:02 AM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: Dapper 26

I think this is where FRED PHELPS comes in??? /sarc / lol


31 posted on 08/28/2009 12:52:38 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (When reality hits us that it's not "Incompetence" but rather "Intentional", what are we going to do?)
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To: Salvation

I hate what that man and most of his family have done to my Country. Whatever happened on his deathbed or during his private confessions is none of my business. I don’t consider him a Catholic and hate that this family got away with so much and with the support of some priests and Bishops.

But he’s a public figure and claims he’s a Catholic so of course the Catholic Church is going to be slammed. Especially by non Catholics who just like to trash and by former Catholics who have their own issues.

There are those of us who hate that the Kennedy family, or cetain members, claim to be Catholic when everything they stand for is directly against Church teachings. Hmmm, maybe one day we’ll all be self righteous about Jews or some Protestant Demonination that some public official belongs to.


32 posted on 08/28/2009 12:57:47 AM PDT by Twink
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To: SMCC1

Yep.


33 posted on 08/28/2009 12:58:36 AM PDT by Twink
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To: Cincinna
It's a legitimate parish that is part of the archdiocese. I tried to find out if Cardinal O'Malley would officiate and it doesn't seem that he will.
Cardinal Sean P. O’Malley, who blogged affectionately about Kennedy’s sister, Eunice Kennedy Shriver, after her recent death, has declined requests for interviews about Kennedy. He has issued only a cautious written statement, saying “we mourn the passing of Senator Edward M. Kennedy’’ and describing the senator as “often a champion for the poor, the less fortunate, and those seeking a better life.’’ But O’Malley has been sharply critical of Catholic Democrats who support abortion rights, and has said that for Catholics to vote for such politicians “borders on scandal.’’
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/08/28/kennedys_complex_legacy_as_a_catholic/?page=2

That may not be all that we would wish but it is quite a slap to not have him saying the funeral.

34 posted on 08/28/2009 1:00:26 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: babygene

And you know this how?

I agree with you about TK but you have no clue about anyone’s elses death bed confessions.

He’s gonna have a Catholic funeral. No doubt about that. And some in America and other parts of the world will say all these wonderful things about this scum of a human being.


35 posted on 08/28/2009 1:02:29 AM PDT by Twink
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To: Dapper 26

That’s pretty much what some of them are.

If you also go back to your 16 years of Catholic education you should remember that Catholic funeral Masses are performed every day on people who aren’t practicing Catholics. People who didn’t follow church teachings, didn’t live as Catholics, etc. TK and most of the Kennedy family iirc aren’t and haven’t been practicing Catholics. And that’s common knowledge. Yet, they’ve been married in Catholic masses, buried in Catholic masses, and have priests and bishops that think they’re wonderful. Or they get something from it.

JFK wasn’t a practicing Catholic either and he pretty much sucked as President but many seem to forget all about that.


36 posted on 08/28/2009 1:11:10 AM PDT by Twink
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To: Cincinna

I believe it’s a Roman Catholic Church, though not a parish Church.

http://www.themissionchurchboston.com/basilica/


37 posted on 08/28/2009 1:25:22 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Dapper 26

Only 1 thing with what you said, he got his first marriage annulled so he could marry the second wife within the church..Making his children bastards...


38 posted on 08/28/2009 1:28:45 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: SMCC1

not catholic bashers, just realists based on the churches history for a couple of decades.


39 posted on 08/28/2009 1:30:38 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: goat granny
"Making his children bastards..."

QUESTION: Will my children be illegitimate if my marriage is annulled?

Answer: NO! This is a grave misconception. The marital status of the parents does not affect the status of the children. All children are created in God's image and have equal status in the church. Neither civil law nor church law considers the children of an annulled marriage illegitimate. Nor does the annulment imply that the children were not the fruit of a genuine human love. Annulment is simply a decision on the circumstances surrounding a marriage that could prevent that marriage from being a sacramental marriage.

http://www.stdanielclarkston.org/annulmnt.htm

40 posted on 08/28/2009 1:44:25 AM PDT by Mila
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To: redhead
I would think that truth seeking Catholics would begin to realize that there is not a “Vicar of Christ” on earth. If Popes were/are they would use their authority to not allow unconfessed murderers and upholders of homosexuality the Catholic Church rites. If I were Catholic I think I would be greatly burdened by the abundant inconsistensies of the Catholic Church and it's doctrines and begin to question it's authority and it's doctrines.
41 posted on 08/28/2009 1:45:00 AM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: Mamzelle
Most likely the Bushes would go out of a sense, albeit misplaced, of duty and decency.
42 posted on 08/28/2009 1:47:19 AM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: goat granny

Not true. Annullments (sp) no longer, if they ever did, make the children bastards.

One of my problems with anullments is the fact it voids the first marriage, as if it never existed when it did exist. And some can get annullments more easily than others. And does anyone really believe that God forgets about that first marriage?

I know people who waited years to get an anullment (sp) and people who got one just because they knew somebody. That one Kennedy, the one who slept with the teen babysitter, got an annullment pretty quickly. I recall some of the brouhaha about that. I also know people who waited years to get married because their partner had a tough time getting an annullment.


43 posted on 08/28/2009 1:51:36 AM PDT by Twink
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To: goat granny

Yeah right, lmao.


44 posted on 08/28/2009 1:53:01 AM PDT by Twink
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To: Mila

Thank you for saying it so much better than I could and providing the link.


45 posted on 08/28/2009 1:53:42 AM PDT by Twink
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To: goat granny

That’s hatefully unfair, and you know it.

The Catholic Church doesn’t cause or condone
pedophilia.

They’ve admitted and paid dearly for their
misjudgments .. rightfully and other times
just to quell the stormfires from the well
orchestrated PR and legal campaigns, which
use every media vehicle to blast them non-stop
for to poison any future jury pool and for the
extraction of the highest monetary awards.

And they’ve almost microscopically altered the
screening methods at the seminary level.

I condemn anyone, including priests, who would
dare abuse or take advantage of an innocent
child or anyone in sphere, as does the Church.

When my son was a child, he was cared for at the
home of a women whose husband we later learned was
accused of child molestation. He was a cop. Should
I have trashed all cops as child molesters ?


46 posted on 08/28/2009 1:53:58 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Bellflower

Good try.


47 posted on 08/28/2009 1:55:04 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Bellflower

Well then it’s a good thing you aren’t Catholic now isn’t it?

You people kill me but also amuse me so there is a bright spot.


48 posted on 08/28/2009 1:55:13 AM PDT by Twink
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To: STARWISE

Wow. You made the point clearly.

Unfortunately, some will continue to refuse to see that point.


49 posted on 08/28/2009 1:59:28 AM PDT by Twink
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To: Mila
An annulment means that the marriage never existed in the eyes of the church. What are the children of a non-marriage called if not bastards (not politically correct, but the definition of one is one that has no legitimate father.)
50 posted on 08/28/2009 2:04:06 AM PDT by goat granny
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