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Eric Holder's Hidden Agenda
National Review ^ | 8/28/2009 | Andrew C. McCarthy

Posted on 08/28/2009 8:16:59 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross

‘This is an administration that is determined to conduct itself by the rule of law. And to the extent that we receive lawful requests from an appropriately created court, we would obviously respond to it.”

It was springtime in Berlin and Eric Holder, a well-known “rule of law” devotee, was speaking to the German press. He’d been asked if his Justice Department would cooperate with efforts by foreign or international tribunals to prosecute U.S. government officials who carried out the Bush administration’s post-9/11 counterterrorism policies. The attorney general assured listeners that he was certainly open to being helpful. “Obviously,” he said, “we would look at any request that would come from a court in any country and see how and whether we should comply with it.”

As the Associated Press reported at the time, Holder was “pressed on whether that meant the United States would cooperate with a foreign court prosecuting Bush administration officials.” He skirted the question in a way Americans ought to find alarming. The attorney general indicated that he was speaking only about “evidentiary requests.” Translation: The Obama administration will not make arrests and hand current or former American government officials over for foreign trials, but if the Europeans or U.N. functionaries (at the nudging of, say, the Organization of the Islamic Conference) want Justice’s help gathering evidence in order to build triable cases — count us in. (snip)

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agenda; bho44; bhodoj; cia; ciaprobe; holder; obama
Rush has been saying this too.
1 posted on 08/28/2009 8:16:59 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
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To: Servant of the Cross

I don’t think everything is hidden; his hatred of white folk seems pretty apparent.


2 posted on 08/28/2009 8:17:50 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns
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To: Servant of the Cross

Excerpts:

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Hue and cry followed Holder’s decision this week to have a prosecutor investigate CIA interrogators and contractors. The probe is a nakedly political, banana republic-style criminalizing of policy differences and political rivalry. The abuse allegations said to have stunned the attorney general into acting are outlined in a stale CIA inspector general’s report. Though only released this week — a disclosure timed to divert attention from reports that showed the CIA’s efforts yielded life-saving intelligence — the IG report is actually five years old. Its allegations not only have been long known to the leaders of both parties in Congress, they were thoroughly investigated by professional prosecutors — not political appointees. Those prosecutors decided not to file charges, except in one case that ended in an acquittal. As I outline here, the abuse in question falls woefully short of torture crimes under federal law.

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I believe the explanation lies in the Obama administration’s fondness for transnationalism, a doctrine of post-sovereign globalism in which America is seen as owing its principal allegiance to the international legal order rather than to our own Constitution and national interests.

As a result, there have always been serious concerns that the ICC could investigate and try to indict American political, military, and intelligence officials for actions taken in defense of our country. Here it’s crucial to bear in mind that the United States (or at least the pre-Obama United States) has not seen eye-to-eye with Europe on significant national-security matters. European nations, for example, have accepted the 1977 Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions, while the United States has rejected it. Protocol I extends protections to terrorists and imposes an exacting legal regime on combat operations, relying on such concepts as “proportional” use of force and rigorous distinction between military and civilian targets. That is, Protocol I potentially converts traditional combat operations into war crimes. Similarly, though the U.S. accepted the torture provisions of the U.N. Convention Against Torture (UNCAT), our nation rejected the UNCAT’s placing of “cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment” on a par with torture. By contrast, Europe generally accepts the UNCAT in toto.

And the transnational Left has still another treat in store: its notion of “universal jurisdiction.” This theory holds that individual nations have the power to prosecute actions that occur in other countries, even when they have no impact on the prosecuting nation. The idea is that some offenses — such as torture and war crimes — so offend the purported consensus of humanity (i.e., so offend left-wing sensibilities) that they may be prosecuted by any country that cares to take the initiative. In fact, many countries (the United States included) open their justice systems to civil suits against government officials — again, even if the country where the suit is filed has nothing to do with the alleged offenses.


3 posted on 08/28/2009 8:23:15 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: I Buried My Guns

Black liberation theology.

Black power.

The Man (whitey) been keeping us down (yeah, like I/we owned a plantation in South carolina until last year, LOL)

Time to turn the tables. Time to git those blue-eyed white debils.

This administration IS transparent, though not in the way they said it would be.


4 posted on 08/28/2009 8:23:30 AM PDT by Canedawg (FUBO)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Rush is RIGHT, as usual.

We really have terrorist running our country.


5 posted on 08/28/2009 8:25:19 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Will Pres. Bush and VP Cheney and others be extradited?


6 posted on 08/28/2009 8:25:40 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

I believe if you see this administration going after and prosecuting the prior administration and people whose responsibility it was to protect and defend this country against enemies foreign and domestic, there will be such an outcry like you wouldn’t believe. The revolution has already started across the country and if this administration starts prosecuting them, come election time no democrat would even be elected dogcatcher except in hard core far left commie districts. They’d lose by a landslide.


7 posted on 08/28/2009 8:29:57 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: I Buried My Guns
... his hatred of white folk seems pretty apparent.

One of the chief qualifications for 0bama's "key" advisors.

8 posted on 08/28/2009 8:32:32 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - No socialist Bureaucrat on a Death Panel is going to decide whether I live or die!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I believe Holder apprenticed under Janet Reno in the Clinton years.
I’m still waiting for a Waco or Elian Gonzales type event to show the citizens who’s in charge.


9 posted on 08/28/2009 8:35:06 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Servant of the Cross

Those who maintained that Obama is not some wacko leftist are finding it harder and harder to explain The Great Spreader’s latest moves. Everything he’s been doing has been to the far left. Look at his appointees. Solid grade-A Marxists all of them. I hope Obama goes forward with his phony prosecutions. This will bring him down faster.


10 posted on 08/28/2009 8:38:48 AM PDT by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: nascarnation

Holder was and is and will always be the Clintons butt boy!!


11 posted on 08/28/2009 8:40:32 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: driftless2

His strategy is not to prosecute here but give the European ‘World Court’ evidence that they can use to prosecute and request extradition. He’ll hide behind the laughable smokescreen that he’s not the one prosecuting.


12 posted on 08/28/2009 8:42:33 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
True. Most obama advisors hate whites,
but Holder advocates violence and threats against whites,
and has and will continue to use the US Government
to protect those who assault whites
-- even at voting booths.

Holder's lynching mobs


13 posted on 08/28/2009 8:43:24 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Diogenesis

Temember the movie “The Black Gestapo”? Well now we have it leading our country.


14 posted on 08/28/2009 8:49:38 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: Diogenesis

I always had a negative view of the KKK, but after seeing 0bama and Holder’s tactics with the Black Panthers, I can fully understand at least one reason why it was formed.


15 posted on 08/28/2009 8:56:51 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - No socialist Bureaucrat on a Death Panel is going to decide whether I live or die!)
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To: nascarnation

He has been warned that there will be no more “Free” Wacos this time around.


16 posted on 08/28/2009 9:00:30 AM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Servant of the Cross

Maybe we should all send bananas to Eric Holder.


17 posted on 08/28/2009 9:00:47 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: I Buried My Guns

I hate his more than he hates me, that he can be sure of. They are all disgusting.


18 posted on 08/28/2009 9:23:56 AM PDT by mojitojoe (Socialism is just the last “feel good” step on the path to Communism and its slavery. Lenin)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Why would Holder retrace this well-worn ground when intimidating our intelligence-gatherers so obviously damages national security?

The people have the perfect right to liberate themselves from Marxist oppression when it is violating individual natural rights

19 posted on 08/28/2009 9:33:03 AM PDT by mjp (pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, independence, limited government, capitalism})
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To: nmh

“We really have terrorist running our country.”

However disguised in ‘sheep’s clothing’ he tries to appear to be.


20 posted on 08/28/2009 9:41:03 AM PDT by corvus
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To: Ev Reeman
Waht the Leftwingtards are doing is forcing our hand on crushing them out of existence once and for all.

I don't think they are going to like what happens.

21 posted on 08/28/2009 9:45:53 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Servant of the Cross

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2326218/posts


22 posted on 08/28/2009 11:24:53 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Obama, the first ever 3 in a half year, lame duck TOTUS)
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To: Servant of the Cross

He is an Internationalist Communist. Intent on subrogating the Constitution to International Law. Hopefully in the end they can be stopped and tried by an American court.


23 posted on 08/28/2009 11:54:34 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Well, then shame on you.

KKK was absolute scum, and you should be ashamed of having any empathy with it.

24 posted on 08/28/2009 12:28:54 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
KKK was absolute DEMOCRAT scum, and you should be ashamed of having any empathy with it.

You must be more accurate in your descriptions.

25 posted on 08/28/2009 12:55:17 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: TopQuark
When Nathan Bedford Forrest founded the KKK, it was in response to carpetbaggers and the cruelty of occupying Union troops. It quickly morphed into something totally different, but I can still understand why it was started. 0bama’s hatred of whites and his support of the Black Panthers could very well cause a resurgence of the klan.
26 posted on 08/28/2009 12:57:56 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - No socialist Bureaucrat on a Death Panel is going to decide whether I live or die!)
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To: Diogenesis

If bugs like that come anywhere near me, I will introduce them to God.


27 posted on 08/28/2009 1:07:37 PM PDT by Gator113 (It's about stupidity, stupid. IMPEACH HERE, IMPEACH NOW.)
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To: Ev Reeman
This administration's effort to criminalize the prior admin. means they can never relenquish power, for once they do they will be in the dock themselves. Once they open this door they cannot go back. The Porkulus can be undone, even Obamacare could be erased if countermanded before implementaion. Nothing Zero has done to this point is irredeemable. This is. If Zero goes forward with this Civil War is inevitable because he will have to not only be re-elected with the assistance of 20 million illegal aliens and ACORN but he will have to have the BOR changed so he can be "elected" president for life. If he and his cronies once even temporarlily lose ther grip on the reins of power they will also be prosecuted for their crimes.

Μολὼν λάβε


28 posted on 08/29/2009 4:38:52 AM PDT by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)" or "come get some")
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To: Liz

FYI


29 posted on 08/29/2009 4:43:16 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: wastoute; Just mythoughts; stephenjohnbanker; maggief; GOPJ; Tennessee Nana; AuntB; TADSLOS; ...
If Zero goes forward with this, Civil War is inevitable because he will have to be re-elected with the assistance of 20 million illegal aliens and ACORN....

We are witnessing the emergence of a new government dictatorship...on American soil. History tells us that the rampant corruption, fed by cronyism, are the nuts and bolts of dictatorships.

Dictatorships are almost always governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect each other from accountability.

Obama is building his personal Civilian Security Force------ACORN and illegals blindly loyal to Obama----ready to silence the populace and march us to reeducation camps.

The Third World (organized by illegals inside the US) can easily be mobilized.........b/c of their blind loyalty to Obama for all he’s giving them. Including:

a USSC justice, top federal jobs, amnesty,

free healthcare, free houses, free mortgages,

endless identities, unlimited SS nos, sanctuary cities,

billions of tax dollars to latino-centric organzations to fight Americans,

neutralizing L/E to allow illegals to engage in law-breaking with impunity, etc, etc, etc.

Glenn Beck is issuing dire warnings about Obama’s “Civilian Security Force” ...stronger and better-funded than the US military" (in Obama's own words). Beck keeps baiting Obama to tell who is the "civilian enemy" the “Civilian National Security Force will be fighting..

30 posted on 08/29/2009 6:07:32 AM PDT by Liz (When people fear govt, we have tyranny; when govt fears the people, we have freedom.)
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To: Liz

Looks like the intellectuals over at NR are starting to wake up to the fascism growing before our eyes.


31 posted on 08/29/2009 6:15:49 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Proud FR Mobster)
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To: Ev Reeman
I believe if you see this administration going after and prosecuting the prior administration and people whose responsibility it was to protect and defend this country against enemies foreign and domestic, there will be such an outcry like you wouldn’t believe.

Which is why they are willing to let a foreign court do the prosecution and Holder would be willing to hand over evidence. That's what this story is about. Sort of a Pontius Pilate move.

32 posted on 08/29/2009 6:17:09 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Canedawg

“Black liberation theology.

Black power.

The Man (whitey) been keeping us down (yeah, like I/we owned a plantation in South carolina until last year, LOL)”

You find it funny

I find it funny

But Obama is a true believer. We should call him Barack Ogabe.


33 posted on 08/29/2009 6:22:59 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Liz

We must stop this brownshirt force just like ObotomyCare.


34 posted on 08/29/2009 6:25:52 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I have been incorporating Alinsky’s Tactics into my personal arsenal and I find it can be quite effective.

I recently asked someone who was railing about the “U.S. history of racism and slavery” about the history of their lives in the past ten years- did that include any evidence of slavery or institutionalized oppression? They had no answer. I laughed in their face and walked away.

I am done being PC, and as I move around the blue city/state in which I live, I look at angry minorities with a look on my face that asks “so you hate whitey too? Yes, cant you tell I’m a plantation owner?” Believe me, the mocking smile is effective. They arent sure how to deal with it.

Several months ago while engaged in conversation with an ambulance chaser who claimed he was an independent but was still railing about Bush, I looked him right in the eye and with a mocking smile, said “You have Bush derangement syndrome”. I swear he looked like I had killed his puppy.

These tactics work, and must be turned on them- the communists are here and the marxist revoltion is upon us. It is up to us to resist and retake our country IN EVERY WAY WE CAN, including mocking the radicals.

I have taken an oath to uphold the Constitution, and I have affirmed that I do not seek to overthrow the government. However, I am actively seeking to overthrow the communists who are IN our government.

Molon labe!


35 posted on 08/29/2009 6:44:46 AM PDT by Canedawg (FUBO)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I think Republicans should start compiling a list of War crimes By the ONE in Afghanistan now.


36 posted on 08/29/2009 6:47:15 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: TADSLOS; stephenjohnbanker
Holder laid his cards on the table early-on----when he told a shocked America that we are all cowards (WRT race).

He is an individual with deep-rooted grievances...... and is in a position to unburden himself.

Obama/Rahm/Holder are purposefully antagonizing large conservative groups in middle America in an effort to cause civil unrest. This would give them an excuse to declare Martial Law.

Americans need to be very vigilant: Obama and his loathsome admin are very calculated in their use of power. As dissent among the populace grows, they are capable of plotting staged events to boost their advantage.

If these arch-manipulators perceive there isn’t measurable fear in the hearts of the people, they will create that fear to solidify their power. They know people will succumb to fear and will relinquish their God-given liberties when they are fearful.

37 posted on 08/29/2009 6:56:23 AM PDT by Liz (When people fear govt, we have tyranny; when govt fears the people, we have freedom.)
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To: Liz; All

“Holder laid his cards on the table early-on——when he told a shocked America that we are all cowards (WRT race). “

Holder and Obama are racists who think they can run over the white middle class with their shadow government and infiltration tactics. I guess they figured that if whitey was stupid enough to fall for his “hope & change(Alinsky) bukk$hit, we would just line up for the slaughter. He was wrong! We ran a RINO that most conservatives would either not vote for, or would do so with great reluctance. The war has started, the clock is ticking, and we must be ever vigilant!


38 posted on 08/29/2009 7:09:45 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Canedawg; Liz; All

If one is to fight the Marxists, one has to familiarize
oneself with their bible. I just ordered “Rules for Radicals”
and I will commit it to memory. All my life I have studied the”bully/coward” syndrome. Obama is a spoiled rotten bully/coward, who will fold like a house of cards if we stand up to him. Obama intends to push the envelope as far as he can while in office. He intends to take over as much of the “means of production” as he can get away with, and hand it over to his people. Will we stop him? I believe we will. It will get ugly.


39 posted on 08/29/2009 7:30:35 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

While you are waiting for your book, here is an online summary of it. The infamous tactics part is in section seven, but there is more to his paradigm than that, as you will see from reading through the page.

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm


40 posted on 08/29/2009 7:41:45 AM PDT by Canedawg (FUBO)
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To: Canedawg

Thanks very much.


41 posted on 08/29/2009 8:10:16 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Liz
Dictatorships are almost always governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect each other from accountability.

It is how it works... Thanks for the ping.

42 posted on 08/29/2009 8:18:23 AM PDT by GOPJ (CT Scan in Canada? Vet clinics can get a dog in next day. People? Waitinglist is a month.STOSSEL)
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To: Liz

Speaking of Eric Holder, what do you make of this...DOJ and DHS joining forces? Seems Holder is getting his claws into everything.

Monday, August 10, 2009
WWW.USDOJ.GOV
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ICE and DOJ Sign Agreements to Share Information on Drug Trafficking and Organized Crime

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) signed two Memoranda of Understanding (MOUs) on Thursday, Aug. 6, 2009, to foster increased communication between participating agencies at the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) Fusion Center and the International Organized Crime Intelligence and Operations Center (IOC-2).

“The OCDETF Fusion Center and IOC-2 are founded on the principle that we can accomplish more together than we can separately,” said Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden. “By bringing together the agencies and personnel with existing resources and expertise we can work more effectively as partners to shut down organized crime networks, seize assets and save taxpayer dollars in the process. This agreement, coupled with recent agreements between ICE, DEA and ATF will allow new levels of cooperation and intelligence sharing.”

“These additional agreements we’ve signed with our Department of Justice law enforcement partners help us all better combat the worst criminal offenders,” said Homeland Security Assistant Secretary for ICE John Morton. “By combining our resources, we expect to stop more drug smugglers and organized crime across the country.”

By becoming an active participate in the OCDETF Fusion Center as outlined in one MOU, ICE will be adding more than 25 million records, including reports of investigation, wiretap intercept information and financial investigative material, from its drug-related investigations and drug-related financial investigations to the Fusion Center. ICE will also gain access to the additional agency information available through the Fusion Center. This increased partnership will further help in the joint fight against drug trafficking organizations by all of the other Fusion Center agencies, including the FBI, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

The ability of all participating Fusion Center agencies to develop target profiles and actionable investigative leads to disrupt and dismantle significant drug traffickers is enhanced by the increase of information collected at the Fusion Center. In addition to sharing in one collection of information, coordinating with the Fusion Center allows participating law enforcement agencies to “de-conflict” their investigations. De-confliction ensures that two or more agencies are not duplicating resources or that one agency’s investigation will not have a negative impact on another agency’s investigation.

DOJ and ICE also signed an MOU regarding ICE participation in the newly-created IOC-2, which marshals the resources and information of nine U.S. law enforcement agencies, as well as federal prosecutors, to collectively combat the threats posed by international criminal organizations to domestic safety and security. It allows partner agencies to join together in a task force setting, combine data and produce actionable leads for investigators and prosecutors working nationwide to combat international organized crime, and to coordinate the resulting multi-jurisdictional investigations and prosecutions. ICE’s new membership in IOC-2 will allow all the partner agencies to draw on data that now ICE will provide, while allowing ICE to work investigations with other agencies that may be targeting the same syndicates.

These latest MOUs follow closely on the heels of two additional agreements DEA and ATF, respectively, signed recently with ICE. Together, these agreements show a significant level of partnership and cooperation within the federal law enforcement agencies to target major criminal organizations.

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09-784

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2009/August/09-crm-784.html


43 posted on 08/29/2009 8:34:44 AM PDT by AuntB (First the government cripples you, then it tries to sell you a crutch!)
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To: Servant of the Cross
I think Andrew C. McCarthy is right on target. Agreeing to let international courts try Bush and Rummy seems like something that cannot get reversed even if conservatives throw the RATS out. HOW MANY TIME DO WE HAVE TO REPEAT, RATS CANNOT EVER BE IN CHARGE OF OUR DEFENSES.
44 posted on 08/29/2009 7:32:51 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Servant of the Cross
"Foreign charges would result in the issuance of international arrest warrants. They won’t be executed in the United States — even this administration is probably not brazen enough to try that."

IMHO, I would not assume this. Count on Obama and Holder to destroy this country just so a Republican never again enters the WH - THAT IS HOW EVEIL THE RAT PARTY IS.
45 posted on 08/29/2009 7:39:22 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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