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Moscow annoyed by attempts to rewrite WWII history
en.rian.ru ^ | August 28, 2008 | RIA Novosti)

Posted on 08/28/2009 2:05:20 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

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To: dfwgator

Good question. The German Army at the time wasn’t nearly as strong as it would be by the time of the invasion of France and the Low Countries.


21 posted on 08/28/2009 2:48:39 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Martha's Vineyard is great! Hey, honey, let's take a drive . . . .)
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To: colorado tanker

15,000 German soldiers were killed in the September 39 campaign, it wasn’t quite the walkover that people think it was.

Poland was done in after the Soviets invaded from the East.


22 posted on 08/28/2009 2:51:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: nickcarraway

Stalin was shocked and depressed. He hid out in his dacha for several days. Molotov, Kaganovich and others went to plead to him to come out of hiding and lead the nation. When they showed up, Stalin thought they were there to arrest him.


23 posted on 08/28/2009 2:58:56 PM PDT by henkster (The frog has noticed the increase in water temperature)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Don’t mention the Pact! Or the Katyn Forest!”

24 posted on 08/28/2009 3:01:01 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: dfwgator
Yep, the Sov’s delivered the fatal stab in the back. People forget at the time the American left, including the communists, were anti-war. It wasn't just America Firsters on the right. That only changed after Hitler invaded Russia.
25 posted on 08/28/2009 3:07:06 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Martha's Vineyard is great! Hey, honey, let's take a drive . . . .)
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To: lizol
Other than raping Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and being stopped by the Finns, what could the Russians possibly be talking about?

Having been to all these places you'd be surprised as to who they hated more, the Germans or the Russians.

26 posted on 08/28/2009 3:24:26 PM PDT by CT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slx8CCjoL4E&feature=related)
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To: CT
A good movie to watch is 'The Way We Were.'

It stars two commies, Streisand and Redford. But in the movie Redford pretends to be a freedom loving American. Anyway, Babs is a NY Red Diaper Doper Baby. She loves the Soviets, but also the Nazis. That is until the Nazis attack 'Uncle Joe.'

Kind of like the SEIU and ACORN. Except they are red and fascist all they way.

27 posted on 08/28/2009 3:31:36 PM PDT by CT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slx8CCjoL4E&feature=related)
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To: GeronL
Moscow use to have a whole governmental department dedicated to the task of rewriting history.

We have the government-run media: ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, and CNN.

28 posted on 08/28/2009 3:33:51 PM PDT by CT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slx8CCjoL4E&feature=related)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I don’t get it. Medvedev and company are not supposed to be commies, right? The atrocities and totalitarianism of Stalin’s USSR are known to all. The Hitler-Stalin pact aside, what is it about Medvedev’s Stalinist USSR that he is wanting to purge from the history books? What is he, a commie?


29 posted on 08/28/2009 3:48:45 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: nickcarraway

“We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia”


30 posted on 08/28/2009 3:52:23 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (War is fought by human beings. - Carl von Clausewitz in On War)
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To: CT

“Moscow use to have a whole governmental department dedicated to the task of rewriting history.”

“We have the government-run media: ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, and CNN.”

Reply of the day!;)


31 posted on 08/28/2009 4:35:12 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: CT

Polish saying, “With the Germans we lose our lives, with the Russians, we lose our souls.”


32 posted on 08/28/2009 4:53:49 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Out damn’d spot!” - Russia
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Shakespeare always has a good quote...


33 posted on 08/28/2009 5:42:09 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: dfwgator; CT

A Pole is on a battlefield.
To the right of him is a Russian attacking him.
To the left is a German, also attacking him.
He only has one bullet in his gun.
Who does he shoot?
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The German, of course. You always put business before pleasure.


34 posted on 08/28/2009 5:46:47 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: dfwgator
I spent grade school reading everything in the library about WWII and every other American war.

Any linked reading on how well the Poles defended against the Germans would be appreciated.

35 posted on 08/28/2009 6:34:12 PM PDT by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

Here is a good site

http://www.ww2.pl/The,1939,Campaign,22.html


36 posted on 08/28/2009 7:22:52 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: henkster; All

The TRUE Story of the Soviets in WW2 is brutal, and they killed MILLIONS of their own people.

U.S. Lend Lease M3 Lee tanks outnumbered T-34’s at Kursk, the tide-turning Battle of the Eastern Front, (TEN Battalions of them, and Churchill tanks in the 5 Guards Tank Army!) but you won’t find hardly a single mention of that in any Soviet Propaganda.

The NKVD machine-gunned their own troops during the Great Retreat, and chained kids to tanks and Anti-Tank weapons they hardly knew how to use, and to machine guns in bunkers at Kiev.

They slaughtered thousands in Soviet-Occupied Poland between 39-41. 1/3rd of the population of Estonia was suffered arrests, murder, deportation, and other acts of repression. (It’s why the Estonians fought so valiantly at the Germans side). In 1939-41, the Soviets sent over 140,000 Latvians to the Siberian Gulags. The repressions of the Cossacks and Ukrainians that supported the Germans was nothing short of a holocaust in itself.

Zuhkov’s own officers and staff called him a butcher, a man who would have his own troops shot at the snap of his fingers, nearly every day.

Soviets would send entire Armies of Infantry in to the attack, with only one rifle for every 2nd or 3rd man, with the others expected to pick up the rifle of those killed, and continue the attack.

And they slaughtered and tortured their own people who had surrendered to the Germans, as traitors. Nearly a million Russians (Around 400,000 of them former captured Soviet Soldiers) served in the German and Hungarian Armies, and they were to be shot on sight, per orders from STAVKA.

The list goes on, and on, and on...

It’s little wonder that the Russians don’t want to shatter the myths they built around what they call “the Great Patriotic War”.


37 posted on 08/28/2009 9:19:01 PM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: tcrlaf

bump


38 posted on 08/28/2009 9:23:05 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: dfwgator

In terms of 2 MILLION Axis Soldiers involved in the Invasion of Poland, 15,000 killed IS a “cakewalk”.

Polish forces suffered around 70,000 killed, and outside of Regiment-sized events, never put together a cohesive defense. They never recovered from the “Defend-Forward” positions they held at the beginning of the War.


39 posted on 08/28/2009 9:29:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

bttt


40 posted on 08/29/2009 4:53:45 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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