Skip to comments.Cpt Connie Rhodes, MD refuses deployment to Iraq until Obama’s legitimacy for CinC is verified
Posted on 08/28/2009 8:21:55 PM PDT by rxsid
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That would be sage advice if you were her legal counsel. Hopefully, she'll get that from someone and report on time. It would be criminal (pardon the pun) if she spent all those years in medical school only to have her medical license snatched from her by a conviction or dishonorable discharge.
You haven’t been keeping up or reading up on the BC issue I see.
We have been going over everything you have mentioned for over a year on this board.
No Hawaii official has sworn to see a BC that shows Barry was actually born in Hawaii. Just that he has a Certificate on file. Doesn’t mean it says he was born in Hawaii.
I will ask you again, please enlighten (show and tell) us where you have seen Barry’s “Certification of Live Birth”.
He has not shown this document to any legal authority or (more importantly) to the American people.
Before you spout off about Barry and his proven Constitutional right to be President, you should read up on the facts.
Oh, if I was the betting kind of person, I would bet on her orders being rescinded or revoked. So I really don’t think this particular case will ever see the light of day.
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What I know about lawyers is that they are not all that smart as they claim to be. If you're going to ruin a career over orders what the defendant thinks are illegal, you as a fair judge, would give latitude to the defendant for discovery. And BTW, I don't give a hoot how many years you have practiced, it really doesn't mean a whole lot.
I see you are a new FReeper.
There is a lot of info on Barry’s BC problems.
Please read up on them.
With your 25 years experience, you might be more inclined to reach out and help this Officer rather than dismiss her dedication and patriotism to our Constitution.
“Obama has a Certification of Live Birth, that at least two HI government officials have publicly stated is legitimate, including the Governor. I’m assuming that those HI officials would swear to that in an affidavit. If so, that Certification of Live Birth is prima fascia evidence of birth - it’s settled US law.”
I call BULLSHIITE on this!!!
This was proven a Fake rite here on FR by FReeper Polarik,,,
Now go peddle your O’Bammy Kool-Aid somewhere else!TROLL!.
Thanks, Fred Nerks.
Maybe those kids are all in a witness protection program. Why blur their faces? (shaking my head)
I haven't seen anything. And, you shouldn't be so defensive when someone, in good faith, tries to explain the legal complexities of this matter, especially if those nuances don't cut your way.
The governor of HI has publicly stated that a properly kept BC is on file. Furthermore, the Director of Records in HI (or some such title) has said that Obama's Certification of Live Birth is legitimate - you can google it, I'm sure you'll find it.
What I said is - if those things are both true, and the appropriate HI official would sign an affidavit affirming those facts - then Obama has prima fascia evidence of his Hawaiian birth, and the plaintiff would have not only the burden of proof for their allegation, but they would also have an virtually insurmountable mountain to climb as the evidentiary burden would be with them as well.
If you have another legal opinion, I'm all ears. Do tell. But, stop putting words in my mouth.
a very good place to start your research.
For a lawyer, you do NOT have a very good command of the facts.
I don't give a “hoot” either about what most lawyers have to say on most issues.
There have been many lawyers and so-called legal experts on this board for the past year preaching to us about what is definitely going to happen with this issue.
It seems like a revolving door for lawyers.
Most of them have been dead wrong.
Someone telling me their resume to make their point, usually makes me question their knowledge on the topic.
My advice would be short and sweet, report for duty, anything else is a losing strategy and possibly malpractice. End of advice
What are you talking about?
I used your words! I quoted you directly!
You did not use the word “if”.
Now you are making stuff up. Just admit you don't know what is going to happen regarding this case. And admit that you are talking about the BC issue, but obviously don't know many of the facts.
A good lawyer would read up on the facts of an issue before trying to argue their point.
You obviously haven't done that.
And yes, I am defensive. Too many know-it-all lawyers have come on here telling us that they know everything.
Most have been wrong.
Most of those lawyers and law experts after a while have disappeared.
Sometimes it is better to read a little before posting so boldly on this board how you are right and many of us are wrong.
What would he do if an entire Air Force Wing, a Marine, or Army Division refused deployment to Iraq until his legitimacy is verified. It would be awe crap, show me the long form Birth Certificate or get out of our Whitehouse.
Actually I take it back.
Please DO NOT reach out to help this wonderful brave Officer.
You would do her no good.
You have no idea about the facts behind the reason for her defending her Constitution, and you have no intention on learning about them.
This woman needs support and legal assistance from someone who believes she is right and just in what she is doing.
You are not that person.
Apparently, I'm in great company, along with the USA Today and at least a handful of HI state officials. From the USA Today website...
""I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."
With that statement, and a Certification of Live Birth, Barack Obama will win any and all legal challenges, assuming that one of these cases is ever heard on the merits, which is wildly unlikely. That's just the way things work in the US legal system. The plaintiff has the burden of proof, not the defense. The plaintiff would have to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that all these people are lying, it's that simple.
Now, perhaps you have information that indicates Dr. Fukino is either an impostor, or part of Moveon.org or a space alien for that matter or maybe even USA Today fabricated the quote out of whole cloth. I don't know. But, if he's legit as well as the quote, then it's an uphill battle for any plaintiff challenging Obama.
I'm getting the feeling from our brief interaction that neither of you are people who listen to reason, so don't feel it necessary to respond. I'll take you silence as a protest of disagreement, and we'll call it a night.
Insurmountable? Present the real Obama birth certificate in court not an affidavit. Hawaii issuance of birth certificates could be obtained under flimsy circumstances, which can be proven in court. A statement from a witness was all that was needed for a Hawaiian birth certificate to be issued. If this is what happened, the myth of Obama being born in a hospital would all be shattered, and the question of to where Obama was born would then become paramount.
Your exactly correct! The Nuremberg trials showed that a defense of "I was only following orders" doesn't cut it. Therefore, if an officer has reason to believe that orders given to them are unlawful, they have a duty to question them. Now, that reason might be ultimately worked out in a court of law.
You will take my silence as a protest of disagreement?
You have given me absolutely no time to respond!
A good lawyer would stay up a few more minutes and argue their point.
Quoting from the USA Today website? Please.
You are either a troll on this board, a Barry kool-aid drinker, or just have been living under a rock for the past year.
My suggestion is stop posting about an issue you know nothing about and either educate yourself on the Fraud we have in office or go take a big ‘ol swig of the kool-aid you have been drinking.
I guess do the one that gets you through the night.