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Cpt Connie Rhodes, MD refuses deployment to Iraq until Obama’s legitimacy for CinC is verified
U.S.D.C. Western District of Texas ^ | 8/28/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 08/28/2009 8:21:55 PM PDT by rxsid

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To: rxsid
“IMO, all she would have to present in court is the known “facts” (assuming Barry isn't lying about who his biological father really is):

1)Barry was born to a foreign national father who had no perminant attachment to this country.
2)Bary was born with British citizenship via his father's British citizenship...no matter where he was born.
3)Assuming birth in HI, he was BORN with dual citizenship (i.e. potential for divided loyalties).
4)There is no known record of him renouncing his born with British citizenship.
5)Therefore, unless he prooves otherwise, he remains a British citizen today (& possibly a U.S. citizen. TBD).

So, she ask’s the military court...does our Constitution allow for the Commander in Chief to be a British citizen or...possibly a dual citizen?

They can waive the “prima facia” short form HI colb all they want. Question is, “HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE “GOVERNED” BY GREAT BRITAIN?” “

To address your points one at a time:

“1)Barry was born to a foreign national father who had no perminant attachment to this country.”

Yes, but his father's status does not determine American citizenship, birth location and/or mother's citizenship determine it.

“2)Bary was born with British citizenship via his father's British citizenship...no matter where he was born.”

True, but under US law that no longer effects his US citizenship. The US laws that took an American’s US citizenship away because of foreign nationality have been thrown out as unconstitutional. This is because a right created by the constitution (citizenship) was being taken without due process of law. People were losing their citizenship by administrative action, not conviction in court and that is unconstitutional.

“3)Assuming birth in HI, he was BORN with dual citizenship (i.e. potential for divided loyalties).”

If he was born in Hawaii, then he had citizenship from birth. Any foreign citizenship he may have had is not legally relevant. Foreign law cannot deprive an American of his birthright.

“4)There is no known record of him renouncing his born with British citizenship.”

He never needed to, it was taken automatically by Act of Parliament. (see below)

“5)Therefore, unless he prooves otherwise, he remains a British citizen today (& possibly a U.S. citizen. TBD).”

Incorrect.

If born in Hawaii, then Obama has US citizenship by the 14th amendment, this citizenship is a birthright that can only be taken by two methods, 1) an explicit renunciation (it MUST be explicit not implicit), or 2) conviction of Treason (if allowed by law, I'm not sure of the status today)

Separate from his US Citizenship, he did have British Citizenship per the British Nationality Act of 1948. However he lost that citizenship in 1963. The timeline of Obama’s UK citizenship is roughly as follows:

1961 Obama born, acquires UK citizenship
1963 Constitution of Kenya, Obama gains Kenyan citizenship
1963 Per the Kenyan Independence Act, citizens of Kenya lose their UK Citizenship. They retain an amorphous status of “British Subject”.
1981 British Nationality Act of 1981 abolishes the status of “British Subject” replaced with the even more amorphous status of “Commonwealth Citizen” which is only used for certain issues related The Commonwealth.
1982 Per Kenyan law, because Obama does not explicitly renounce his US citizenship, he automatically loses his Kenyan citizenship and his status as a Commonwealth Citizen

As of 1982, the only citizenship Obama has is US citizenship (There are rumors he may have gotten Indonesian citizenship, but like UK citizenship that would not have effected his US citizenship. To answer your tag line: "HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?"

It can't. The only factor in determining his natural born status is his US citizenship. The actions of the Parliament of the United Kingdom, or the Parliament of Kenya can never deprive an American of his birthright. Any foreign citizenships he may have held have no meaning in US law.

141 posted on 08/29/2009 6:11:10 AM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: null and void; rxsid; Alamo-Girl; onyx; ALOHA RONNIE; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; ...

Pingin’ my General Interest and Texas Lists here
cuz I thought you’d wanna know. :)

Ping! Ping! Ping!


142 posted on 08/29/2009 6:13:50 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: rxsid

Oddly enough, “Connie Rhodes” types into Google News doesn’t yeild even ONE result. Eric Schmidt better change his company motto “Don’t Be Evil” to “It’s ok to be evil if you are blindly serving the prescribed liberal line - check with Rham first.”


143 posted on 08/29/2009 6:18:04 AM PDT by AJMCQ (Who is Khalid al-Mansour? You mean Obama didn't get into Harvard on his grades?)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Deja vu all over again.

144 posted on 08/29/2009 6:19:45 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: rxsid

Oddly enough, “Connie Rhodes” types into Google News doesn’t yeild even ONE result. Eric Schmidt better change his company motto “Don’t Be Evil” to “It’s ok to be evil if you are blindly serving the prescribed liberal line - check with Rham first.”


145 posted on 08/29/2009 6:21:01 AM PDT by AJMCQ (Who is Khalid al-Mansour? You mean Obama didn't get into Harvard on his grades?)
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To: Brytani

Your last line is a killer./Just Asking - seoul62.......


146 posted on 08/29/2009 6:22:25 AM PDT by seoul62
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To: OldDeckHand

If I remember my 3rd grade civics classes correctly, and I know I do, the Constitution is the law of the land and supersedes any laws where there is a conflict.

To say “that’s not how it works” is ridiculous - show me where in the Constitution an Article exists that states any person can hold office of POTUS without pre-conditions. If that was the case there would be no need to include provisions to remove a person who does not qualify.

The very opposite of that is the case. The qualifications to be elected POTUSA are clearly defined as are the provisions t be taken if a person fails to do so.

We see judges fail to follow the Constitution, that it happens does not mean the judge is correct, what it does mean is that they are not following the very document they take an oath to uphold.


147 posted on 08/29/2009 6:23:17 AM PDT by Brytani (DC Freeper Convention and National Tea Party - FreepMail Me for rooms and convention info!)
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To: OldDeckHand

The point that others are trying to make is:

1. The MSM is in the tank for BO and have twisted the issue in his favor.
2. There are four different actions that can produce the “fake” document BO put on line.
One even involves being born out of the country.

This may help you get up to speed:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2275574/posts

There are other links if you are truly interested in truth and not just disruption of the threads. IOW be a help or get out of the way.


148 posted on 08/29/2009 6:50:19 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

I guess the good doctor takes her oath to serve and protect our constitution seriously.


149 posted on 08/29/2009 6:54:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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To: Grampa Dave

Yessiree! I’d say so!

Mornin’, Grampa! :^D


150 posted on 08/29/2009 7:12:42 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (2008: The year the Media died. --Sean Hannity, regarding Barack HUSSEIN ObaMao's treatment ...)
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To: OldDeckHand

Obama has a document that is prima fascia evidence of his birth in HI.

Is he going to show it online?


151 posted on 08/29/2009 7:31:06 AM PDT by charo
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To: cookcounty

But if they keep on revoking orders, the word is going to get out that if you don’t want to be deployed, just file a BC demand. I don’t see how they can keep revoking without serious consequences.

Then maybe he should just prove his citizenship in a clear, indisputable way, even if he doesn’t have to. Isn’t that what a leader should do? What is most effective?


152 posted on 08/29/2009 7:31:08 AM PDT by charo
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To: OldDeckHand

***prima fascia evidence ***

Sounds like lawyer-talk.

Just exactly what is this “prima fascia” evidence of which you speak?


153 posted on 08/29/2009 7:37:25 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: rxsid
If this goes viral, readiness will be adversely affected. The CIC will have to do something, or be impeached for dereliction of duty.

5.56mm

154 posted on 08/29/2009 7:38:39 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: MeekOneGOP

Thanks for the ping!


155 posted on 08/29/2009 7:40:58 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: reagandemocrat
Obama will feel compelled to not rescind her orders. This is just too much of an in-your-face challenge to his authority....by a female officer/doctor no less-—he thinks she is a traitor to her gender, and to him.

Hypothetically, And I'm speaking hypothetically here, what would be your conclusion if he does rescind the order?

156 posted on 08/29/2009 8:19:01 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 220 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: OldDeckHand
I'm guessing that they'll dismiss on the basis of lack of standing

Just who would have "standing"?

157 posted on 08/29/2009 8:21:14 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 220 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: All

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Dr. Orly has put her life’s blood into this fight. SHE HAS MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP FROM COWARDLY REPUBLICANS AND THE SCOTUS.

Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials.
She has even gone to Isreal and Russia to spread the message about Obama’s inelgibility!

She states the case expertly, including the bc and natural born citizen aspect, when not abused by the U.S. state-controlled media. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880

God bless this American patriot and keep her safe.


158 posted on 08/29/2009 8:22:12 AM PDT by patriot08
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To: El Gato; OldDeckHand

“of course, one will be provided for her to shepherd her through the Article 32 investigation and beyond, but that JAG won’t help”

Maybe thin skin on my part, but I’d change that to “that JAG CAN’T help” in the civil action. My experience with Trial Defense Services (maybe a new name now) is that they’re very good, and very independent. As a former USAF Area Defense Counsel and Circuit Defense Counsel, I can attest that we were GLEEFULLY independent - and probably took a little more perverse pleasure in jacking the command chain around (appropriately) than we should have!

On substantive issues for this doc, I agree that she’s exposed to a number of UCMJ charges and specs, which will likely prevail at the trial court level if it goes that far. A good defense counsel will file an appropriate, and fully researched, motion to dismiss, but the judge won’t grant it in the 39a, he or she will let the appeals court deal with it. As is appropriate, if it’s going to have any precedential value.

From the morale/good order and discipline angle, I’m not sure how helpful it’ll be for those in the AOR already.

Colonel, USAFR


159 posted on 08/29/2009 8:23:22 AM PDT by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: cookcounty; OldDeckHand
But if they keep on revoking orders, the word is going to get out that if you don't want to be deployed, just file a BC demand. I don't see how they can keep revoking without serious consequences.

It's far more insidious than that.

If it is established that anyone can get out of a deployment merely by suing, then the assumption the the subsequent war crimes trials will be that anyone who went knew that the orders they were following were illegal.

The poor bastards won't even have the fig-leaf of "I was just following lawful orders".

Ah well, that didn't work in Nuremberg either. (Oddly they were following a foreign-born leader that time too)...

160 posted on 08/29/2009 8:27:13 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 220 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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