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Briton found America in 1499
The Daily Mirror ^ | 29 Aug., 2009 | By Tom Pettifor

Posted on 08/29/2009 12:03:39 AM PDT by OldSpice

Kings Letter (Pic:PA)

The first Briton sailed to the New World only seven years after Columbus, a long-lost royal letter reveals.

Written by Henry VII 510 years ago, it suggests Bristol merchant William Weston headed for America in 1499.

In his letter the king, right, instructs his Chancellor to suspend an injunction against Weston because "he will shortly with God's grace, pass and sail for to search and find if he can the new found land".

Bristol University's Dr Evan Jones believes it was probably the earliest attempt to find the North-West Passage - the searoute around North America to the Pacific. He said: "Henry's letter is exciting because so little is known about early English voyages of discovery.

(Excerpt) Read more at mirror.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: briton; columbus; discovery; godsgravesglyphs; india; newworld; williamweston; worldhistory

1 posted on 08/29/2009 12:03:39 AM PDT by OldSpice
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To: SunkenCiv

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2 posted on 08/29/2009 12:13:18 AM PDT by IYellAtMyTV (Workday Forecast--Increasing pressure towards afternoon. Rum likely by evening.)
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To: OldSpice

Well the letter says he set off...it doesnt say he made it. Note also that the king lifted and injunction against him - he might have agreed to set off on the basis that the injunction was lifted, and then scarpered off!


3 posted on 08/29/2009 12:14:57 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: OldSpice

It wouldn’t surprise me at all to find out that Vikings or some other Norsemen from Europe got here first, but didn’t make it back, or made it back and the whole story lost due to a lack of infrastructure capable of surviving the centuries to come. Like, where are the Viking Dead Sea Scroll equivalents, if such a thing ever existed at all?


4 posted on 08/29/2009 12:20:42 AM PDT by Dumpster Baby (Bacon,smokless powder,and boobs are proof that God loves us.)
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To: Vanders9

Exactly, I wondered if due to the hour I was missing something. The article fails to tell us:

1. if he left,

2. if he made it to North America,

3. if he returned to England.


5 posted on 08/29/2009 12:31:20 AM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS
Everybody knows that it was the Irish monks who discovered North America. By the sixth century Saint Brendan was saying mass in Iceland, Greenland, and North America. This they did while saving civilization.

Yours in Christ,

Monsignor McBedford


6 posted on 08/29/2009 12:40:20 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

LOL! You are in the transformation no?


7 posted on 08/29/2009 12:43:30 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: nathanbedford
Great post!


8 posted on 08/29/2009 12:44:11 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Dumpster Baby

Uhh... the vikings did make it here first. ~1000 AD if I remember correctly. It’s not too controversial.


9 posted on 08/29/2009 12:51:03 AM PDT by newguy357
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To: OldSpice

Little did the Indians know that their open immigration policy would lead to their demise.


10 posted on 08/29/2009 1:36:23 AM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: Bushwacker777

hahahahahaha!


11 posted on 08/29/2009 1:41:11 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team# 36120), KW:Folding)
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To: nathanbedford
A big St. Brendan Bump!


Reproduction of St. Brendan's ship, sailed by Tim Severin to America in 1977

12 posted on 08/29/2009 1:41:15 AM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Bushwacker777
"Little did the Indians know that their open immigration policy would lead to their demise."

Really?? The ones out here seem to be quite lively, happily scalping the white man every day in their casinos.

13 posted on 08/29/2009 3:40:22 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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To: OldSpice
Did Chinese beat out Columbus?
14 posted on 08/29/2009 4:07:57 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: OldSpice

Yes, and I think John Cabot mapped the coast of North America two years after Columbus stumbled upon an island in the Caribbean that he thought was the East Indies.


15 posted on 08/29/2009 4:42:35 AM PDT by RoadTest (Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion. Psalm 129:5)
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To: Dumpster Baby; newguy357
L'Anse aux Meadows
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16 posted on 08/29/2009 4:46:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

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17 posted on 08/29/2009 4:47:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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18 posted on 08/29/2009 4:48:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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19 posted on 08/29/2009 5:16:41 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Everyone signing up after Nov 28, 1997 is a newbie.)
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To: newguy357
It’s not too controversial.

It's all about perspective. How does one group of people "discover" a land that already has 20 million people living there? Whether the ancestors of those who were already living here in "the new world" in Viking times came by way of a land bridge from Asia or sailed here from across the Pacific, the fact is there were millions of people living here at least ten centuries, and probably a lot longer, before the Vikings ever thought about sailing west.

20 posted on 08/29/2009 5:25:41 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: ASA Vet; blam

:’) Me too. Luckily, a bunch of people have been filling that job. And not just luckily for all, also luckily for me. :’)


21 posted on 08/29/2009 6:20:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Liberty Valance
Please excuse this momentary hijacking of this thread...

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22 posted on 08/29/2009 7:05:34 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: OldSpice
"The letter came to light by chance. It was found in 1981 and passed to historian David Beers Quinn. He failed to publish it, preferring to wait for historian Alwyn Ruddock to release research on explorer John Cabot. In her will Dr Ruddock ordered all her notes destroyed. This spurred Dr Jones to discover what she had found."

Pure academic dishonesty.

23 posted on 08/29/2009 8:02:09 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: OldSpice

What a silly discusison given that “america” was never lost but also that so-called indigenous Americans arrived thousands of years ago...

In fact, mt-DNA Haplogroup X almost certainly arrived In North America from Europe, long before the Irish or Erikson or Columbus et al. The genetic code indicates the closest relationship with humans originally from the Near East, the Caucasus, and Mediterranean Europe.


24 posted on 08/29/2009 8:03:04 AM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: Liberty Valance
This guy Cahill gets around...


25 posted on 08/29/2009 2:18:16 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Who ever thought we would long for the days of the Clinton administration...)
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To: OldSpice

Think of St Johns, NFLD (John Cabot 1497). The Brits and others were over here fishing for cod long before Columbus was a glint in the postman’s eye. But they kept the secret of a good cod fishing ground secret so they could exploit it. IMHO.


26 posted on 08/29/2009 6:59:37 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine
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To: OldSpice

British historian Iain Wilson’s 1992 book ‘The Columbus Myth’ showed that English fishermen from Bristol almost certainly landed in America in 1481.

This story is hardly new.


27 posted on 08/30/2009 9:46:37 AM PDT by the scotsman
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To: Dumpster Baby
where are the Viking Dead Sea Scroll equivalents

Rune stones found in MN, among other locations?

28 posted on 08/30/2009 1:02:24 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Thermalseeker
It's all about perspective. How does one group of people "discover" a land that already has 20 million people living there? Whether the ancestors of those who were already living here in "the new world" in Viking times came by way of a land bridge from Asia or sailed here from across the Pacific, the fact is there were millions of people living here at least ten centuries, and probably a lot longer, before the Vikings ever thought about sailing west.

Thanks, Pedant.

Of course, if you look at the context of the posts, I was responding to someone who was speculating about whether or not the vikings made it to the North American continent prior to the arrival of the Spaniards and other Europeans--to which the obvious answer is yes. But who would want to look at the context of the posts when, by ignoring it, one has the opportunity to spout off with superior knowledge as Dr. Professor about information that every 4 year old in the country is already aware of?
29 posted on 08/31/2009 12:10:49 AM PDT by newguy357
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There’s no real proof for any European discovery of America before Columbus. There MAY have been — most likely yes the Vikings, Irish etc. could have found parts of N Am, but the only one for which we have definite proof and who had the lasting historical impression and who set up contacts was Signor Columbus


30 posted on 08/31/2009 3:22:28 AM PDT by Cronos (Oh bummer -- screwing up America since Jan 2009 - and doing a damn fine job of it too!)
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To: eleni121
Near East, the Caucasus, and Mediterranean Europe.

Interesting -- you bring up the point about possible Phoenician travels West?
31 posted on 08/31/2009 3:26:31 AM PDT by Cronos (Oh bummer -- screwing up America since Jan 2009 - and doing a damn fine job of it too!)
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To: newguy357
Of course, if you look at the context of the posts, I was responding to someone who was speculating about whether or not the vikings made it to the North American continent prior to the arrival of the Spaniards and other Europeans--to which the obvious answer is yes. But who would want to look at the context of the posts when, by ignoring it, one has the opportunity to spout off with superior knowledge as Dr. Professor about information that every 4 year old in the country is already aware of?

So, are you inferring that you have a lower IQ than a 4 year old? The context of your post is meaningless because the notion that Vikings came here first is dead wrong. They only context in which your statements could be considered correct is if you said that the Vikings were likely the first Europeans to discover North America, but that is not the context you used. You can claim "context" and that I am "ignoring it" all you want, but your statements are still wrong. You can make a complete fool out of yourself by changing the subject and attacking me if that is how you get your jollies, but the fact remains that there was a large indigenous population here thousands of years before Europeans ever thought about taking to the ocean and sailing west. This is an undeniable fact.

The Vikings were not the first to discover North America, nor was Columbus and no mater what context you put it in the notion that they were the first to "discover" this continent is provably wrong. Instead of accepting and discussing well known history you chose to propagate distorted Euro centric perspectives about who came to North America first, meanwhile ignoring millions of indigenous people who predate European arrival by tens of centuries. So, when I point out your folly you chose attack me rather than addressing this fact. Talk about lack of context!

When you have to attack someone who is in opposition to your flawed opinions rather than rely on facts, you have lost the debate. Any high school debate coach will tell you that. You were wrong. You lost. Get over it.

32 posted on 08/31/2009 5:41:27 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: Cronos
According to this article The heathen Norse left archaeological evidence of their visits to North America including a foundation which you can be assured was not of a church.

Yours in Christ,

Monsignor McBedford

But in 1960, undeniable proof of Vikings in North America came to light at L’Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland, Canada. Several Norse Viking pieces and clear Icelandic- style house foundations gave proof positive that Vikings had indeed landed, and briefly settled, in North America 500 years before Columbus.

More recent archaeological work has revealed over 300 years of sporadic contact between the Greenlandic Norse and various Indian, Inuit, and other Native American peoples, concentrated primarily in the Canadian Arctic. (http://www.mnh.si.edu/vikings/1137.html)

33 posted on 08/31/2009 7:55:02 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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Yes, the site at L’Anse is most certainly there in Newfoundland and is proof the Vikings were at one time in N.A.
34 posted on 08/31/2009 12:22:34 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Martha's Vineyard is great! Hey, honey, let's take a drive . . . .)
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To: nathanbedford

That’s one article — the “proof” hasn’t been accepted as fact. I’m not denying they MAY have, but there is no incontrovertible proof. Even the article stating that is not “proof” per se, just one man’s opinion


35 posted on 09/01/2009 1:40:59 AM PDT by Cronos (Oh bummer -- screwing up America since Jan 2009 - and doing a damn fine job of it too!)
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To: Cronos
My son, my son I earnestly beg your indulgence (you should excuse the expression) I did not understand what you required when you said there is no "real" proof, that there was no "definite" proof.

Forgive my trespasses for I had not understood, my son, that archaeological proof accepted by virtually every authority around the secular world was not the sort of proof you require.

I did not understand that you require conclusive proof, cosmic proof, everlasting proof, proof positive, transcendental proof, ineffable proof, beyond a reasonable doubt proof, 180 proof, Jesuitical proof.

yours in Christ,

Monsignor McBedford


36 posted on 09/01/2009 4:34:29 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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