Skip to comments.Patriot Emergency Communications System Needed
Posted on 08/29/2009 3:54:17 PM PDT by oldfart
One of the nice things about internet bulletin boards is the anonymity of each poster. Of course it isnt perfect since the board owner has enough information to positively identify everyone and TPTB can (and probably will) demand that data whenever they choose. In the meantime there is one way our paranoia can be used against us.
We all swear that our line in the sand is the confiscation of our guns. We say that if and when it happens we will get the word out on the internet and thus mobilize thousands of patriots.
Good idea. But what if there is no internet? What if the President decides to use his power to turn off private access to the net before the confiscation begins? How will we notify others of what is happening?
One thing this administration has taught me is to never assume theyre doing anything abstractly they always have a good reason for what they do and when they do it. After years in the Illinois legislature furthering gun control Obama has spent eight months in the Presidency without even so much as trying to push a gun control bill. But in the last week weve heard that at least one Federal judge (from Chicago, I believe)believes gun registration is Constitutional and now we see a bill introduced to give the President new powers to control the internet in the event of some ill-defined cyber emergency. Where other Presidents have when once elected generally ignored the organizations that helped them get elected, this President is advertising for recruits to continue working for the change he espoused.
I wonder what color their shirts will be, brown?
So suppose TPTB discover (or manufacture) some sort of cyber emergency, shut down servers all over the country and then begin kicking in doors. How do we get the word out? Well still have computers but theyll be severely handicapped. We used to be able to simply call up the other guys computer and converse back and forth. But we had the other guys phone number then too and his name! Now, in our paranoia, weve hidden behind screen names that usually dont even describe us very well. One name that I see on several boards is LYCAN. How would I contact him without the internet? What if he were the first one to be raided? How would any of us know in time to be ready for our own knock on the door?
We need some sort of phone tree where each of us has two or more numbers to contact if the balloon goes up. Perhaps theres some way we could utilize those cheap throwaway phones I see at the supermarket checkout line. Comments?
I had the same exact thoughts when I just read about Zero’s Net Bill. We definitely are going to need MANY alternative sources of Patriot news & comminications. Problem is, if they are made “public,” the enemy will try & crush those as well. Seems the time is ripe for a *new & different* kind of “Secret Society.”
I guess we'll just have to go back to the old local BBS (bulletin board services)we used to use before the internet came to be. There's no reason that every local member of the 'resistance' couldn't be kept informed and up to date using this method, and those on the extreme eges of their local telephone services can connect to others and so on and so on to get info across the nation. slower, yes, but that's basically how the internet began.
Almost all survivalists and disaster planners encourage people to get HAM licenses. There are MANY data systems floating in the air that have nothing to do with terrestrial internet.
You can communicate with just about everyone through blackberries as well.
What’s O going to do, shut down all comunications?
CB and HAM radios....
Good point there. If the Feds decides it is worth their time, how long would it take for them to figure out our identities?
“CB and HAM radios....” Ipods, blackberries...
Smoke signals... “
Telegraph, telephone, tell-a-woman!
Keep the girls in the loop. Word will get around much faster.
H.A.M. is a good idea for communicating long distances. CB’s would be good for local stuff, within 5 miles or so (you can goose them up to go a bit further).
The H.A.M. operators would communicate activity state to state, to keep us informed. The locals would then take it from there via CB. You’ll have a lot more CB’ers out there than H.A.M.’s. Price is a major factor. Not sure what it’s like to get a license now-a-days.
If push comes to shove, Zero will shut down all communications.
I was looking for a local tea party group and found several within driving distance.
(One or more of these is having a Glenn Beck debriefing next week which is a great idea by the way.)
We could have our contact info with those local tea party groups - giving full contact info, not just email addresses.
The regional group could be in touch with local groups.
Well, I really think I’m encouraging unnecessary paranoia here, but if you’re really concerned about this, then the phone system (landline and cellular) would be even easier to control as those networks are managed by an even smaller number of entities. (And I’ll miss a bet if the government doesn’t already have similar emergency control capabilities over them). Just think about those Emergency Broadcast System tests you hear on radio and TV...when the “balloon goes up” all forms of broadcasting will go under government control, and I suspect there are provisions to control and allocate telephone resources also. Of course VoIP is just another form of data that is transported via the internet.
The solution? Technology that doesn’t rely on infrastructure (i.e. landlines, satellite links, cell towers, etc), i.e. high frequency (shortwave) radio. Same thing that the military still uses, for the same reason. Licensed Amateur (Ham) Radio is the legal option, bootlegging is the illegal one. Radios capable of nationwide+ coverage are the size of a laptop, cost under $1000 and can operate from 12 volt power sources, for example. Or one could buy time on commercial shortwave stations that have international coverage, although getting the programming to them would be subject to all the same constraints. (Check out “Free Speech Radio WBCQ” for example).
In a doomsday scenario (nuclear war, EMP, superflu, etc) that one way or another renders conventional communications systems inoperable or unavaialble (God forbid that should ever happen) - shortwave radio will be the one means of long-distance communication that will still work.
I figure if they cut the internet, they’ll cut the cell phones too if they can. We should probably look into what they are really capable of. We need to build a freeper ham radio community. How far is the range of Ham radios without using a giant (expensive) antenna?
I’ve always wondered about this possibility. HAM radios require licences and if they’re going to shut down radio and the internet they’ll get individual HAM operators. Perhaps, someone needs to have a plan to set up a VOC (voice of conservatives) shortwave or satellite radio transmitter outside the US (as Levin says-an undisclosed location).
I wonder if they could stop fax transmissions?
HAM radio gets through when nothing else will.
BigBob, you beat me to it.
Internet, wired phone, and cell phone infrastructures can be taken down pretty easily. Obviously texting, blackberries go down too.
It’s harder to stop a HAM or CB radio. One would have to jam all frequencies. And they can run on batteries.
I think I’ll go shopping tomorrow.
CBs is what I was thinking too. (our ranch trucks have them).. In the hill country (all throughout the wonderful USA), there isn’t always cell reception. .. (even with that group of people who follow around those phone users on tv .. They never seem to make it into the hills) .. anyway, there are a lot of us who don’t have cell phones .. much less blackberries. (wait! late summer we have great blackberries growing down by the creek!! ).. ah well.. you can see why we’re thinking “CB”.
.. what channel?
I understand the requirement to pass a Morse Code test to obtain a ham license has been discontinued. Maybe it is time to consider getting licensed and get on the air.
Morse code isn’t needed for any ham license any more.
Hey, why not brush up on this stuff NOW? Find the software and telcom modems and start setting up boards in the next month or two. Distribute dial-in numbers through private messages to other FReepers in your state, then as things take shape, assign contacts between the groups. Keep the info off the main discussion boards.
My land line might actually be used again (Note: web outages will take out some phone networks, too - separate your phone and internet service).
Lest I encourage any kind of bad behavior, let me emphasize that Amateur Radio is licensed by the FCC and “bootleggers” or unlicensed operators are fairly easily caught and subject to substantial fines. The point I was trying to make is not to encourage rogue radio operation, but that ham radio will still work when *everything* else goes down, including the power grid. That’s because it relies on nothing but what Mother Nature provides - the reflective layer in the ionosphere that acts like a giant radio mirror, causing signals to “skip” for long distances. (And neither Obama nor all his Czars can control Mother Nature!)
But as with any other kind of emergency preparedness, knowledge is key. Once you know how to cut a dipole antenna, for instance, you can rig up the ability to communicate from household junk. Ham Radio provides the opportunity to learn those skills, and it’s fun too!
See http://www.hello-radio.org/ for more information.
Of course not, Silly.
A phone bank is exactly what needs to be put in place NOW. I mentioned this yesterday on onther post...
"Maybe we should think about setting up an alternative message system - which can be done easier that you may think.
It works on a mathematically infallible principal. It's a phone bank system: Everyone has 10 people on their list to call and pass on information. Each of those 10 - who have 10...etc. By just the 5th round of calling out - 100,000 can be reached - in less than an hour. (do the math).
Now, with several of these banks all over the country - vital information can be gotten out to millions within one hour. Just one phone bank per state could quickly reach millions.
The only way you thwart an enemies plans is to be smarter...and to be prepared to end run their tactics.
Mathematics is the one thing that is unchangeable - it is what it is. (BTW, for a fun math exercise, if a millionaire should ever offer you a wish - any wish - tell them you want 1 penny today, 2 pennies tomorrow, 4 pennies the third day and so on, doubling the money each day for 30 days. That's right. Just 30 days. Get them to sign an agreement before they get a chance to do the math ;o) How much money will you have a the end of the month? Will you be a multimillionaire? Do the math - :o)
The Mormon Church has millions of members around the world. They have this system and if a catastrophe hit, they can reach every member in a very short time -
as to 'throw away phones" - think on that one...It's reported that more people now have cell phones than have land lines now.
Indeed, many ask me why I still have my land line. Two reasons: ONE - I live where we have frequent power outages...the infamous ice storm of '98 left me without power for 19 days. The only link to the outside was my land line.
TWO - if they shut down the net, they can also - and will - pull the plug on cell phones. (An aside: What about the Super Grid that they have all ready to implement? They say it's mainly to save energy by having the ability, with the grid, to control your thermostat. That means they can also shut your power down totally. These people have been working all this out since their little WH puppet was in diapers. They've got their ducks in a row. It's up to us to keep out birdshot handy.)
rGet those phone banks built now - as to ID - each person would only need to know the names and/or numbers to 10 people. Security should lists fall into 'other' hands.
I can't believe we are talking about such things in this country.
But the Communists didn't take over Russia because the Russian peoples mind-set was such...and the Nazi's didn't take over Germany because the German People were of that mindset.
These despots have lived in every country and age since time began. All they need to do, to paraphrase, to take over is for us to do nothing, to not be prepared ahead...we gotta be good Scouts.
TOGETHER WE STAND OR WE FALL APART.
That’s true. The prime virtue of Morse Code is that it can cut through noise when nothing else can. So if you can learn it so much the better.
The problem with the cheap supermarket phones is that the minutes have a finite life span. You have to keep feeding them to keep them alive.
Besides, if the Obamaführer decides to shut down the Internet, he will shut down the cell networks too.
for the phone network (phone bank system) see post #24.
We’ve been talking about this. Dh has been licensed & knowsw about ham radios but we are wondering if it’s best to get the radio & not the license given the current state of affairs.
I joined a Yahoo group that was going to use the new walkie talkie’s for emergency communications but it never took off. Those can be used along with cb’s for local communication...we need to start now....
I work in the telecommunications industry and can say the CLEA act gets the gov into all switching centers.
“HAM radios require licences”
Legal ones do. Clandestine ones don’t.
And ALL of them can be listened to or jammed, or DF’d.
When the TV goes off and the radio goes off and the internet goes off, step outside and listen, if you hear gunfire go toward it. it’ll be Concord2. That will be your signal.
Blackberrys use providers. What if 0bama shuts down my provider?
Before the Internet was available to the public, bulletin board systems (BBS) were in many cities.
They were great for inter-city communications, had forums, chat, file upload and download, etc. They were run over telephone lines, so their speed was limited to modem speeds.
Considering all the questions about what is going on in Washington, it is worthwhile to think about alternatives.
I was thinking of getting an “inexpensive” HAM set and just listening for now. If the SHTF then who cares if you have a license to broadcast. I see the problem as being able to identify each other. Infiltration for misinformation or tracking would be a big problem.
What good are our guns if we are forced off our rural land into cities? The control of the RED areas of the electoral map gives our side a considerable advantage and they have known it since 2000 when Gore tried to steal the election, if not before.
There is a program of Rural Cleansing and a war on small farmers that is already underway. The "food safety" bills, the cut-off of irrigation water in Oregon and Central California, the NAIS animal id act where the government transforms your private property into a "premises" that they can enter at will without warrant, the drying up of credit to small farmers, etc. etc. all add up. Small towns are getting shut down too as bank close branches, GM and Chrysler dealerships close, and credit for small businesses disappears.
Obama/Schumer/Waxman want to get those who cling to their guns and religion out of the countryside that controls roads, bridges, rail, and food. They would rather we bought food from China.
“By just the 5th round of calling out - 100,000 can be reached”
With net anonymity, it takes some work to find out who we are. Not much, though- an IP address and a call to the ISP, or a court order to Free Republic LLC. This net would cast wide.
But a phone tree takes only a few enemy agents to crack, or at least to track. Any member in a tree will get the identity of the incoming (caller ID) and the downstream ten as well. A little social engineering can reach further. The agent calls his ten (with a slightly modified message) and calls her handler as well, the militia is coming!
A call-in-only BBS may be more secure, especially if the incoming calls are not logged. Then, if the enemy finds the server they will have to put a trap-and-trace on it via court order to the telco, since capturing the machine itself won’t easily get a list of identities. There will be no outgoing calls. Someone with the number and security code gets the current load of data on the BBS server, and never other node members.
A dial-in-only voice message system would also work for short messages and one-time-pad cryptos for specified people such as other network nodes. That will avoid a sniffer looking for dialup computer transmissions, which would stick out like a sore thumb if the nets were blocked.
Who makes dialup connectivity and server gear?
Who makes voice messaging systems (which may be easier to get)?
Business would come to a stop. How do businesses interact with suppliers and customers these days? How do banks interact with each other?
Years ago, businesses would maintain leased lines. These days, it's increasingly encrypted connections over the Internet.
I can see the feds deciding that certain web sites will be kicked off from Internet connectivity, but they can't shut down the whole net. So, instead of Doomesday scenarios, consider how we would recreate FR quickly if a federal agency just issues a series of edicts to ISPs to shut off a whole bunch of conservative sites.
These walkie talkie’s go 25 miles..along with cb’s would be good for local communications...think about sun power to run things for a backup...
I live in interior Alaska. The net is the only way I get news other than NPR and that’s not even an option as far as I’m concerned. There is no cell service and all phone service is over a satellite. I do have my own sat phone in addition to the commercial service.
But for years many of us have used high frequency radio. The one I have have now cost me less than $700 and has a tremendous range both in distance and frequencies available. I could even buy a modem for it if I chose to. It is a reliable means of both voice and code communication and email if that was still working. No ham license required, range is over 100 miles.
The other possiblity is marine band radio. Cheaper but more restricted in distance and terrain features.
Important point: how many PCs have phone modems any more?
Biden caught on tape unawares - remember...
“Within 6 months...We're gonna have an international crisis...We're gonna hafta make some tough decisions...It's not going to be apparent that we're right...if they work...gird your loins” -
Some years ago I worked with a distance-measuring machine called a ‘Tellurometer’ that utilized microwave technology. It was big and cumbersome but it had the added capability of voice communication with the “slave” station. Since then I seem to remember reading on the internet about a way to convert an ordinary kitchen microwave for communications. I didn’t pursue it since the S was nowhere close to the Fan... then! Anybody know anything about such a project? It would provide line-of-sight, narrow beam communications over fairly long distances and everybody has a microwave or two plus there is hardly a house anymore that doesn’t have a microwave “dish” on the roof.
Maybe Jim has some ideas on this. Would he defy a court order via 0bama Brown Shirts with orders to expose us?
I do agree that there should be some sort of way we could get in touch with each other when the SHTF.
Target rich environment.
He shuts down anything it will be an act of War Period, between America and Communism it is long past time for this to happen.
I don’t know how to smoke signal. :)