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Patriot Emergency Communications System Needed

Posted on 08/29/2009 3:54:17 PM PDT by oldfart

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To: _Jim

That’s the one.

my bad.


141 posted on 08/29/2009 8:52:41 PM PDT by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: Eye of Unk
I would rather be just like another trucker in due respect
Well, I would stay away from those non-type accepted Galaxys then (you did know that technically they can't be sold in the US?)! Just sayin ...
142 posted on 08/29/2009 8:53:34 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: _Jim
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/716 Reviews: 35 Average rating: 4.1/5 MSRP: $1,190.00 Description: 100w, 160-10m HF SSB/AM/FM/CW rig More info: http://www.rigpix.com/kenwood/ts140s.htm Thats kinda pricey though admirable in respects of capability.
143 posted on 08/29/2009 8:54:26 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: Traveler59
DES and AES are crackable via brute force (lodestone or distributive computer network)
You have to consider the timelineness, the value, the difficulty in these weak-signal HF comm circuits like PSK31 to start with.

We aren't talking wireline comms here; It's shortwave, where there is added benefit to being it being spontaneous and also considering the plethora of other potential 'sources' the spy agencies would have real interest in. So don't be such a 'purist' thinkiung one size fits all! It doesn't.

144 posted on 08/29/2009 8:58:07 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: Eye of Unk

MSRP: $1,190.00

Try e-bay, where I picked up mine (and it was in sweet shape too.)


145 posted on 08/29/2009 8:59:19 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: _Jim

http://www.eham.net/

I am reading up about the HF stuff here, maybe for my location here in Alaska something more global would be better, I do have 8 acres and lots of trees with a cleared area and having a very tall radio mast or a wire antenna would be no problem.

But for the average person that is probably affected by the economy I still think a halfway decent cheap CB from a chain store would be sufficient to use in case of an emergency, and way too common to be effectively jammed.


146 posted on 08/29/2009 9:01:25 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: Erasmus
Err...make that “Carolina Windom.”

crap, where's that "edit post" button when you need it?

147 posted on 08/29/2009 9:02:29 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Need an Angry Mob? Why not call the DNC, they have a wide selection to choose from.)
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To: oldfart

HAM radio will let you communicate state-to-state, or even between one town and another. Very nice.

CB will let you communicate within your town (from one Minuteman platoon to another). Handy!

But if you know one guy who can communicate with the world beyond your town’s borders, that should be plenty. We can’t all be HAM jockeys.

As Tip O’Neill said, all politics is local. Well, all government control is local, too. They can’t back up a fleet of trucks and buses and order everybody in the state to get in for their ride to the re-education camp. It’s all local.

They can issue an order that all private firearms must be surrendered, but the sparks won’t fly until they start coming down your street to actually get them.

Should that awful moment arrive, you really REALLY want a few dozen of your best armed friends on hand!

Do you have a way to contact your friends without using any electronics?

P.S. Good God, how scary is it that we need to even discuss this stuff?


148 posted on 08/29/2009 9:03:12 PM PDT by DNME (All your rights end when the next "national emergency" begins!)
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To: snippy_about_it
How far is the range of Ham radios without using a giant (expensive) antenna?

I live 30 miles Southwest of Chicago, and talked to a station in Siberia a few months ago on a home brew wire antenna and a 100 watt transceiver, a Kenwood 940 SAT.

Ham radio doesn't have to be an expensive hobby at all, many hams I know take great pride in building their own antenna's on the cheap and talking great distances.

149 posted on 08/29/2009 9:05:08 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: _Jim
Yoy don't really want the tubed-PA radios of the 70's and early/mid 80's to be frank.

I respectfully disagree. While they may not have the sensitivity or selectivity of newer radio's with DSP for example, Tube radio's are great for starters and frankly, nothing else has the quality of sound in the transmit audio that a well tuned tube radio does.

BTW, tube radio's will be one of the few electronic devices that will survive an EMP attack for example. I maintain two working Yaesu FT-101E's as backups and will have each on the air at least once or twice every few weeks (typically 10 meters.)

As much as I really enjoy my Kenwood 940SAT, I do like to key up my Yaesu's every now and then.

150 posted on 08/29/2009 9:10:53 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: DNME

All the more reasons to start simple I think and do have some sort of extremely basic system of signaling friends, of course it depends on far your associates may be and just how primitive you must go to do such a thing. I live in a big state and for us many rely on a satphone and I do see a fair amount of home radio stations, we have a LOT of pilots up here and an extensive radio network in that respect.

Myself I’m not worried about communication within Alaska, its losing internet, but then again its high time to realize its also a liability and we should take a serious look at just what is our real life dependence on it.

Its nice to have but its something we will have to completely walk away from at some point in time when a political picture arises that sees it as an opposing tool used effectively by its enemy, nuff said there.

To me the internet is something used by all and abused by all. As said by others, let Obama take it, I have a bunch of cats he can try to herd as well.


151 posted on 08/29/2009 9:15:58 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: _Jim

So far nothing comes up on fleabay for that model.


152 posted on 08/29/2009 9:18:32 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: _Jim
Jim, we're not that far off.

By keeping transmission short and irregular, one can avoid precise location.

However, if your head is out of the hole very long, and it was decided to commit assets to you, you would be found.

Within an hour your neighborhood could be located. Authorities could then move mobile units to your neighborhood and have you within a couple of hours, MAX. With airborne assets it could be only several minutes....but only once those local, mobile assets are in place.

153 posted on 08/29/2009 9:23:56 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: usconservative
You don't really want the tubed-PA radios of the 70's and early/mid 80's to be frank.

I respectfully disagree

Why do you think I said "to be frank". This is advice to a newcomer, and you want to advocate a stone-age radio?

I had my fill of that crap in its day. Do you know how many people burned up the PA tubes because of mistuning? A lot. Each and every one if you ask me. The PA tubes on my Yaesu FT101-EE (which was my brothers 20+ yrs ago) will still deliver 100 W output on 10 Meters, because I took good care of it. And, I used it with an antenna tuner.

Those rigs drifted, had inaccurate analog 'hash' marks for frequecy display, are limited to about 8 500 kHz band segments, and are unsuitable for QPSK31 (drift to much) and have low duty cycle ratings precluding use for modes like RTTY.

Thank you very much, they are one step away from junk (nobody uses them, they occupy closets and exist only for emergencies!)

I notice you don't even use yours, fine example you are!

The EMP threat, based on my estimation and industry tests on COTS equipment have found to have a MUCH better survivability than previously thought, partly due to the much better semiconductors available now.

Do you know what that is? Built-in ESD protection diodes, etc., on semi-conductors nowadays compared to the 70's and 80's.

Okay, back over to you.

154 posted on 08/29/2009 9:24:20 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: Eye of Unk
The Left has yet to chime in on this subject. If Bush was the President this
would be international news.
155 posted on 08/29/2009 9:28:02 PM PDT by MaxMax (I'm golfing with Obama, please don't contact me while I'm "Hrrmph",)
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To: halfright

What, no R-390 ?


156 posted on 08/29/2009 9:30:49 PM PDT by PLMerite (Speak Truth to Stupid.)
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To: Mariner
Within an hour your neighborhood could be located.

Au contraire, mon Capitán.

Are you familiar with the "Yosemite Sam" signal that affected the SW US a few years back on 3700 kHz?

Took several months for just to attribute the signal to a particular area ... and *this* was a cooperative source, transmitting on a regular schedule.

Again, DF like you may have played with at 30 - 88 MHz or in the high-band VHF area is nothing like the HF spectrum ...

Yosemite Sam

Yosemite Sam is the nickname that has been given to a mysterious station that was first reported on December 19, 2004. It transmits on four frequencies:
3700 kHz
4300 kHz
6500 kHz
10500 kHz

All transmissions are in DSB, double side band. That is, they can be tuned in either USB or LSB modes. It's essentially AM with no carrier.

A transmission is made on one of the frequencies. Then ten seconds later, it is repeated on the next higher frequency, and so on. Since there are four frequencies, a transmission is made on a given frequency every 40 seconds. The entire pattern takes two minutes (120 seconds). Transmissions always start at an offset of 7 seconds, such as at 10:00:07 UTC. The timing of the transmissions seems to be excellent.

Each transmission starts with what sounds like a data burst, followed by the phrase: "Varmint, I'ma Gonna Blow Yah T'Smithereens" said by what sounds like the voice of Yosemite Sam, of the Looney Tunes cartoon fame. The clip is apparently from the cartoon "BUNKER HILL BUNNY", 1949.

It took experienced personnel (incl FCC and ARRL involvement) to just locate the area let alone the 'source'.

A classic story of how difficult it is to track down a moderate strength signal (50 - 100 Watt class) on HF, let alone a 100 mW from a station operating QPSK31 say ...

157 posted on 08/29/2009 9:35:06 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: _Jim
I notice you don't even use yours, fine example you are!

You don't read what people post do you? I said I use both of mine every few weeks and that I enjoy using them very much.

If you're not gonig to take the time to read (and comprehend) people's posts don't both replying. Sheeeesh.

158 posted on 08/29/2009 9:39:53 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

Is it in every day service? The answer is “no”. Next objection please ...

I got/get COMPLAINTS about not being on frequecny when I use mine. Big enough reason not to use right there, esp. in round tables! ;)

Next.


159 posted on 08/29/2009 9:47:00 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: _Jim
"3700 kHz 4300 kHz 6500 kHz 10500 kHz

Quite ingenious considering it's HF.

I had not heard that story and find it fascinating. The source must have used 4 transmitters and 4 antennae? What did they finally find? I'm especially interested in whether they were just showing they could...or if they were actually transmitting information.

160 posted on 08/29/2009 9:47:01 PM PDT by Mariner
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