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Flap over flag, hijab leads to suspension of Hernando student
St. Petersburg Times ^ | August 29, 2009 | Tony Marrero

Posted on 08/29/2009 6:43:07 PM PDT by Iron Munro

Heather Lawrence didn't know the name of the girl with the Muslim head covering, or where she was from.

But as Lawrence walked by a classroom at Springstead High School on Wednesday, the 16-year-old junior did know one thing: The girl wasn't standing for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Lawrence, an JROTC member who plans to enlist in the Army next summer, says she was aghast.

"That's one of the most disrespectful things you can do," Lawrence recalled Friday. "Even the kids who are anarchists, who hate our government, still have respect to stand."

A few bells later, Lawrence was on her way to English class when she saw the girl wearing a hijab in the hallway. Lawrence confronted her.

She told her she should stand for the pledge. And, according to Lawrence's own account and a school referral on the incident, said, "Take that thing off your head and act like you're proud to be an American."

A teacher overheard the encounter. Now Lawrence is serving a five-day, out-of-school suspension, and her parents are considering legal action.

"You have someone in the States who is able to enjoy our educational and health care systems, yet it's okay for them to be disrespectful, and it's not okay for my daughter to speak her mind," said Mark Lawrence, Heather's father. "That's her First Amendment right. That's her freedom of speech."

Springstead principal Susan Duval said school officials stand behind the punishment. Heather Lawrence violated the district's policy against bullying and harassment, Duval said. She was disciplined not for telling the girl to stand, but for her other comments — comments that Duval called atrocious.

"It makes me ill," she said. "That is not what this school is about. These students should feel safe and secure here. We may have differences of opinion, but no student should have to tolerate harassment."

After the incident, Lawrence was asked by a school staffer why she confronted the girl. "She began to rant that she was enlisting and was going to Iraq and that basically because the girl looks Middle Eastern, that makes her an enemy because all Iraqis are Middle Eastern," according to the referral signed by assistant principal Stephen Crognale.

Lawrence denies she said that or feels that way.

"Terrorists, regardless of who they are, what color they are, are the enemy," she said.

School officials would not disclose the identity of the girl. Duval said she wasn't sure if the girl is new to Springstead or why she didn't stand for the pledge.

Lawrence said the girl did not respond to her and simply walked away. Duval said the girl did not complain to school officials. Efforts by the St. Petersburg Times to find and reach her were unsuccessful Friday.

As she served her first day of suspension, Lawrence admitted Friday that telling the girl to take off her hijab was "a little over the edge." Her father agreed she shouldn't have said it.

"It wasn't meant to be a racial comment, and I wasn't trying to bash her religion," she said. "I didn't expect her to say (the pledge). I just expect her to stand up for it. If she had a problem with what I said, I'd be happy to apologize to her."

Mark Lawrence says the district needs to be taken to task for putting words into his daughter's mouth. He hopes to reverse the suspension and says he's talked to a lawyer friend of the family.

"I didn't raise my daughters to be prejudiced," he said, adding that the family dines often with friends of Iranian descent.

Heather Lawrence has her own unpleasant pledge memory.

She spent six months in Mexico while her father worked a contracting job and was booted out of a private school for not saying the pledge to the Mexican flag. But that was in Spanish — a language she doesn't know — and so she stopped trying to fake it. And, she says, she still stood up.

Flaps over flag pledging have set legal precedent. A 17-year-old junior at Boynton Beach High School refused to stand for the pledge and was removed from class, prompting a lawsuit and a ruling last year by the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The court struck down a provision of Florida law requiring civilians to stand for the pledge.

Ramzy Kiliç, executive director of the Tampa chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said he was concerned by Heather Lawrence's apparent cultural insensitivity.

But he also said he was surprised to hear that a Muslim would not stand for the pledge. There is no tenet in the religion that encourages Muslims not to do so. "That's her right," Kiliç said. "I myself believe she should have stood."

Still, Kiliç said he was happy to hear that Lawrence was willing to say she was sorry.

"A public school reflects the demographics of America," he said. "We have to foster that, and one way to do that is for the girl to apologize. That should be the ultimate solution."

The hijab clearly made the girl a target, said Dr. Adel Eldin, a Brooksville cardiologist who practices in Spring Hill.

Eldin, who has been busy in August celebrating the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, said he hopes school officials will seize the incident as a teachable moment about his faith.

"If the principal would like to sponsor an educational night, I would be happy to talk to the kids," he said.


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Why does our government let more America haters immigrate and why do our own schools pander to them? The school officials are the ones who should be bounced along with the smug muslim girl who won't even stand up for the Pledge Of Allegiance.
1 posted on 08/29/2009 6:43:08 PM PDT by Iron Munro
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To: Iron Munro

I think we should use government force to force people to show respect. That’s the ticket.


2 posted on 08/29/2009 6:45:19 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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To: nufsed

Make them go home.


3 posted on 08/29/2009 6:48:52 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Iron Munro

Patriotism is frowned upon.


4 posted on 08/29/2009 6:51:25 PM PDT by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: Iron Munro

Heather Lawrence, would you do me a favor and marry my son? He’s tall, smart and has stunning hair.


5 posted on 08/29/2009 6:51:34 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We need real reform, not Kopechnecare.)
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To: Iron Munro
After the incident, Lawrence was asked by a school staffer why she confronted the girl. "She began to rant that she was enlisting and was going to Iraq and that basically because the girl looks Middle Eastern, that makes her an enemy because all Iraqis are Middle Eastern," according to the referral signed by assistant principal Stephen Crognale.

Lawrence denies she said that or feels that way.

I don't think she said it either. It sounds like a rant made up by a liberal.

6 posted on 08/29/2009 6:52:38 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: windcliff

ping


7 posted on 08/29/2009 7:00:23 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: Iron Munro
Eldin, who has been busy in August celebrating the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, said he hopes school officials will seize the incident as a teachable moment about his faith.

I'd like to kick this guy in the ass with a "teachable moment". It would be one "teachable moment" he'd never forget.

8 posted on 08/29/2009 7:02:05 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my country?)
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To: Iron Munro

“Even the kids who are anarchists, who hate our government, still have respect to stand.”

It’s so comforting to know that our schools are producing students who are already anarchists by the time they reach 11th grade. /s


9 posted on 08/29/2009 7:05:03 PM PDT by Canedawg (FUBO)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

If this goes in Heather’s ‘’’PERMANENT RECORD’’’ she probably won’t be allowed to join the Army....


10 posted on 08/29/2009 7:08:58 PM PDT by xrmusn ((6/98 )VOTE THE INCUMBENTS OUT)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Oh effing carp...’teachable moment”....here we go again...this PC shit is going to get us killed!....

‘teachable moment’ = re-education

to hell with the progressive movement...makes me want to have a movement...


11 posted on 08/29/2009 7:13:13 PM PDT by waterhill (Zero, you suck..)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

9/11 was a teachable moment about his faith, so was the USS Cole and the Iranian hostage crisis. Those were enough for me.


12 posted on 08/29/2009 7:13:16 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Iron Munro

This is multiculturalism at work. Granted, it was rude for her to make the comment about the head covering, but this is what happens when you have people of incompatible cultures living with one another. It is why I think that cultural compatibility should be a factor in immigration policy.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect immigrants and their children to accept the most basic tenets of our national culture.


13 posted on 08/29/2009 7:13:55 PM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Hey, aren’t those “teachable moments” supposed to be accompanied by beer?

Maybe they can set up a few kegs in the high school’s cafeteria.


14 posted on 08/29/2009 7:14:47 PM PDT by green pastures
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To: B Knotts

If the student was not willing to say what must be said, I’ll do it.

ISLAM DELENDA EST - because Muslims are forcing us to play Cowboys & Muslims.


15 posted on 08/29/2009 7:17:16 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Iron Munro
"A public school reflects the demographics of America," he said. "We have to foster that, and one way to do that is for the girl to apologize. That should be the ultimate solution."

Why? Because Obama's so good at it?

16 posted on 08/29/2009 7:31:11 PM PDT by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: GladesGuru

Nice!!!

That would make a great tagline! cowboys and muslims, teehee


17 posted on 08/29/2009 7:33:08 PM PDT by waterhill (Zero, you suck..)
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To: Moonman62
It really does sound like one of those little nightmares the Leftwingtards come up with ~ not at all what a Conservative would say.

Now, regarding the "hijab", there is no religious requirement to wear it.

18 posted on 08/29/2009 7:34:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Iron Munro

How this was solved in the local school system: no more pledge of allegiance.


19 posted on 08/29/2009 8:01:54 PM PDT by STYRO (Just wait until they find out we MEAN what we say...)
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To: Iron Munro

HB 1388 passed waiting to be signed by President to give 20.3 million dollars to Palestinian HAMMAS refugees to resettle them HERE IN THIS COUNTRY!!!! Are we going to allow this???????????


20 posted on 08/29/2009 8:07:16 PM PDT by ladyL (..)
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To: Iron Munro

I’m pulling my son out of public school next week.


21 posted on 08/29/2009 8:09:11 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Iron Munro

The girl in the hajib was free to choose to disrespect the flag.....and to accept the social consequences.


22 posted on 08/29/2009 8:17:53 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Iron Munro; All

Okay I have to ask....is she an American citizen yet? If she is not then she does not have to stand and say the pledge. This issue came up when I was in school and there was a case of some immigrants who were NOT naturalized citizens. Once she is a naturalized citizen she should stand up and say the pledge. If she is not, she should not. The question is....is she?????


23 posted on 08/29/2009 8:19:50 PM PDT by Morgana (No one has ever had an idea in a dress suit. - Sir Frederick G. Banting)
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To: Iron Munro
"Springstead principal Susan Duval said school officials stand behind the punishment."

Well what else would any good leftist do?

I mean, she is after all part of the SYSTEM!

24 posted on 08/29/2009 8:29:19 PM PDT by Hillarys nightmare (So Proud to be living in "Jesus Land" ! Don't you wish everyone did?)
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To: Iron Munro
The School should enforce the wearing of Uniforms . . . No Head Coverings, No Hats, No Yarmulkes, No Hajibs.
25 posted on 08/29/2009 8:40:02 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (At Thermopylae, 1 Million Persians lost 20 Thousand yet failed to disarm 300 Spartans. Molon Labe!)
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To: Iron Munro

A real Conservative would have no problem with someone deciding not to pledge allegiance to the flag.

(For the record- I do pledge allegiance to the flag.)


26 posted on 08/29/2009 8:44:59 PM PDT by WackySam
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To: Natural Law

For her there would not be any “social consequences;” only for the non-Islamist were there such. Bit by bit, Islamic rules encroach.


27 posted on 08/29/2009 8:45:54 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: Iron Munro
Telling the muslim to remove her hijab was not racial. Sheesssh! Everything a white person says is racial to these communists.

The girl should have at least stood for the Pledge.

28 posted on 08/29/2009 8:48:33 PM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: nufsed
I think we should use government force to force people to show respect. That’s the ticket."

People like you give Conservatism a bad name.
29 posted on 08/29/2009 8:55:07 PM PDT by WackySam
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To: WackySam; Morgana

I, as a real conservative, have no problem with not pledging allegiance to the flag, but you should still stand! Citizen or not, you should still stand! If you don’t want to sing the National Anthem, FINE! But, you should still STAND! When another country’s anthem came on when I was in that country, guess what, I stood and paid respect!

Anything less is not failing to pledge allegiance, it is disrespectful! And as a real conservative, expect me to tell anyone what I think about them being disrespectful to my country and the men and women who have fought and died for what this country stands!


30 posted on 08/29/2009 9:24:28 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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To: Iron Munro
God bless this Heather.

The other girl is the one that should be suspended. The Flag stands for something very important to our country.

I am the Flag
http://www.usflag.org/iamtheflag.html

31 posted on 08/29/2009 9:30:18 PM PDT by Katarina (Thank God for Conservative talk radio.)
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To: Iron Munro

Without the race card there would be no political left in this country.


32 posted on 08/29/2009 9:30:53 PM PDT by junta (Conservatives, the word "racism" is now ours.)
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To: ExTxMarine

Well said and I agree with you.


33 posted on 08/29/2009 9:32:13 PM PDT by Katarina (Thank God for Conservative talk radio.)
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To: ExTxMarine
If you don’t want to sing the National Anthem, FINE! But, you should still STAND! When another country’s anthem came on when I was in that country, guess what, I stood and paid respect!

Good for you, I would have done the same.

How would you have felt if someone came up to you and forced you to stand- whether you wanted to or not?

Anything less is not failing to pledge allegiance, it is disrespectful! And as a real conservative, expect me to tell anyone what I think about them being disrespectful to my country and the men and women who have fought and died for what this country stands!

You're free to feel/think whatever you want, just as someone is free to pledge allegiance, or not.

People should be free to do, think, and feel whatever they want as long as it does not violate laws or the rights of others.
34 posted on 08/29/2009 9:38:11 PM PDT by WackySam
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To: WackySam

Absolutely, and I have a right, just as Heather did, to tell them what they think about being disrespectful.

But, in this school, she is not allowed to have her first amendment rights! So, is THAT okay with you too?


35 posted on 08/29/2009 9:40:13 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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To: ExTxMarine
Absolutely, and I have a right, just as Heather did, to tell them what they think about being disrespectful. But, in this school, she is not allowed to have her first amendment rights! So, is THAT okay with you too?

Of course you do, as long as it doesn't cross the line of harassment, which neither of us can be sure is what did, or did not, happened in this case.

One thing we know for sure- the girl who refused to pledge allegiance did nothing illegal.
36 posted on 08/29/2009 9:45:35 PM PDT by WackySam
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To: ExTxMarine
She lives in this country, in a free society that bends over backwards (and forwards, on occasion) to accommodate her religion and religious customs and where she is free to practice her religion without fear of retribution of governmental interference.

She attends school in this country, a school in which she is welcomed like any other student. This is a public school, I assume, where her schooling if funded with tax payer money.

Out of respect to the country the allows her these freedoms, she should stand for the Pledge.

For the record, I am a naturalized citizen ... just celebrated my 21st anniversary as a United States Citizen, this "shining city on a hill", a country for which I would fight and die.

Refusing or failing to stand for the Pledge or the national anthem, is a blatant show of disrespect.

37 posted on 08/29/2009 9:54:30 PM PDT by sofaman (To be or not to be is not a question of compromise. Either you be or you don't be. - Golda Meir)
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To: sofaman
Refusing or failing to stand for the Pledge or the national anthem, is a blatant show of disrespect.

Should we be forced to be "respectful"?
38 posted on 08/29/2009 10:05:10 PM PDT by WackySam
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To: WackySam

I agree. It was not required when I was in school in Texas as a kid. There was once when several of us young idiots decided we wouldn’t stand for prayer and the pledge. Nothing was said about it and it didn’t happen again. We didn’t get any recognition from the authorities and that was what we were after.The young lady in the story should just ignore the raghead


39 posted on 08/29/2009 10:11:26 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: WackySam
No. Did I suggest that?

Actions have consequences. Disrespect the country and face the consequence, in this case a student.

Having said that ... the student gets tossed for disrespecting the person that disrespected our country. The irony is quite striking.

40 posted on 08/29/2009 10:15:06 PM PDT by sofaman (To be or not to be is not a question of compromise. Either you be or you don't be. - Golda Meir)
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To: B Knotts

I agree. We already have more than enough cultural dissension of our own. No sense in inviting more unnecessarily.


41 posted on 08/29/2009 10:37:52 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Conservatives allow the guilty to be executed but Lefties insist that the innocent be executed.)
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To: Iron Munro
We used to know how to treat the overberaing, who confused 'public servant' with "servicing the public.


42 posted on 08/29/2009 10:39:07 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, sitting in the Oval Office, where he ought not...)
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To: Iron Munro
I'd have kicked the living crap out of the disrespectful little muzzie and left it at that.
43 posted on 08/29/2009 10:39:55 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Iron Munro

Gotta side with the Muslim here.


44 posted on 08/29/2009 10:44:22 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Morgana

The problem is that she didn’t show respect for the country she’s living in by standing during the pledge. If you watch the Olympics, it seems to me that everyone stands to show respect for the country whose national anthem is being played. So that is the issue this young woman had with the one wearing that headscarf.


45 posted on 08/30/2009 2:06:36 AM PDT by tickles
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To: Iron Munro
Springstead principal Susan Duval said... "It makes me ill, ...That is not what this school is about. These students should feel safe and secure here. We may have differences of opinion, but no student should have to tolerate harassment."

It makes me ill that principal Duval refuses to admit that the Muslim student deliberately disrupted the Pledge by refusing to stand, to the point where she offended Heather enough to compel her to speak out against the offence.

It makes me ill that principal Duval refuses to recognize that Heather deserved support and protection from being offended and harrassed in school by a Muslim political agitator.

It makes me ill that principal Duval refuses to admit that this was a political disruption and harrassment hiding behind religious protection.

It makes me ill that principal Duval refuses to admit that Muslim head coverings for women are mandatory, and punished with violence, and represent harrassment, violence and terrorism against women, up to and including death.

It makes me ill that principal Duval refuses to admit that the representation of violence against women and political disrespect for America would be offensive, disturbing, upsetting, harrassing and highly disruptive to the class in general, and especially denied Heather a feeling of safety and security in particular.

It makes me ill that principal Duval refuses to admit that even if she supported the Muslim girl, she then owes that girl the opportunity of a teaching moment to learn how to respond to people she offends when she deliberately harrasses them by making an anti-American and anti-women protest.

It makes me ill that principal Duval refuses to admit that she is personally protecting the single most hate-filled, murderous organization on the planet towards women, gays, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Americans, and literally anyone who does not submit to the total control of Islam, per their own teachings and actions around the world.

It makes me ill that principal Duval is a principal of students, when she doesn't deserve the authority to clean the toilets in the school.

46 posted on 08/30/2009 5:34:46 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Iron Munro

47 posted on 08/30/2009 5:58:44 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: WackySam
People like you give freedom a bad name. If it comes down to your view of what a conservaticve is and individual liberty, I'll take the latter, thank you very much.

Conservative since 1963.

48 posted on 08/30/2009 6:15:38 AM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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To: nufsed
People like you give freedom a bad name. If it comes down to your view of what a conservaticve is and individual liberty, I'll take the latter, thank you very much.

Advocating the government use of force on someone to say the pledge is your idea of individual liberty?

Sick.
49 posted on 08/30/2009 7:25:18 AM PDT by WackySam
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To: WackySam

Indeed it is.


50 posted on 08/30/2009 8:17:34 AM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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