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O’Malley Encounters Obama at Funeral For Senator
Boston Globe ^ | August 30, 2009 | Michael Paulson

Posted on 08/30/2009 3:08:04 AM PDT by nickcarraway

For those of us on the O’Malley beat, there were lots of interesting moments yesterday, but none more so than the lengthy greeting that Cardinal Sean O’Malley had with PresidentObama. O’Malley, of course, is the Roman Catholic archbishop of Boston and has been sharply critical of Obama’s support for abortion rights (“This man has a deplorable record when it comes to prolife issues,’’ O’Malley told me after the election).

I asked O’Malley’s spokesman, Terry Donilon, what the two men talked about, and he e-mailed back, “If he chooses to speak about it, he will in the blog, but it was a pleasant and gracious chat.’’ He said that the conversation lasted two to three minutes and that the cardinal welcomed the president to Boston and the basilica. He would not say whether there was a more substantive exchange.

O’Malley technically presided over the Mass, but he was not the principal celebrant or the homilist, and he was visible mostly at the end, as he said the final prayers of commendation over the late senator’s body. O’Malley’s tone, even on the happiest of occasions, is somber, and he added a funereal touch to the funeral’s close as he honored the body with incense, a sign of respect for the body and a sign of God’s blessing.

O’Malley’s participation in the Mass has been controversial in some particularly conservative corners of the antiabortion movement, but drew strong praise from the Rev. James Martin, associate editor of America magazine, who blogged: “Cardinal O’Malley’s decision to attend the funeral is large-hearted,compassionate, pastoral, sensitive and, above all, Christian. . . . CardinalO’Malley has been clear about his strong opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage, his simple presence at the funeral shows his support of forgiveness, compassion and that quality perhaps most missing in today’s church:mercy.’’

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: boston; catholic; kennedy; omalley; tedkennedy

1 posted on 08/30/2009 3:08:06 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

If we leave out abortion and “gay” marriage, will someone tell me where Catholics are in the political spectrum?


2 posted on 08/30/2009 3:20:02 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12

How they are supposed to be, or what?


3 posted on 08/30/2009 3:21:10 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: ansel12

For all Christians, aside from some issues, there is probably room for people to differ. I do know quite a few popes have condemned socialism and said it’s incompatible with Catholicism. Many Catholic theologians have written that taxation levels above 10% are immoral.


4 posted on 08/30/2009 3:23:39 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

What I mean is that if the very public issues of abortion and gay marriage are left out of the equation, then where on the political spectrum do Catholics fall, are they even more left than they appear?


5 posted on 08/30/2009 3:26:37 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12
No, I don't think so. I think, in practice, there is a dispersal of people over the range.

I think that one thing that goofs up a lot of Christians, including Catholics, is how one helps the less fortunate. There is Grace in personally giving or assisting another human being. Passing a law, taking money away from someone else to give to the less fortunate? Where is the Grace in that?

6 posted on 08/30/2009 3:31:48 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: ansel12
LIBERALISM IS A SIN
7 posted on 08/30/2009 3:32:56 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: ansel12
where on the political spectrum do Catholics fall, are they even more left than they appear?

What makes you think that all Catholics are the same? Did you hone your brilliant discernment skills in a government run school?

8 posted on 08/30/2009 4:10:41 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: ansel12

What I mean is that if the very public issues of abortion and gay marriage are left out of the equation, then where on the political spectrum do Catholics fall

I doubt you can remove these issues, but just looking at the last election (I know it’s hard to remove J McCain from the equation, being such a lousy candidate) American Catholics pretty much let us know where they fall in the spectrum, left of center. But then looking at the East Coast it’s all liberal anyway.


9 posted on 08/30/2009 4:12:15 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( MARSOC DAD)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

You are like a child’s shadow, do you ever speak to anyone directly?


10 posted on 08/30/2009 4:22:14 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12

Catholicism is big and complex and complex but internally consistent - problems start when someone latches onto one little corner and thinks it’s the whole picture, ignoring the dignity of the individual and life as redeemed by the incarnation of Christ.

I say this as a man who was a kid in the 1970’s and saw “liberation theology” grow and fade due to goofballs latching onto one corner of the picture and thinking it was the be-all end-all. Christ always speaks to the individual or to the church. He said “do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” He did not said “make others do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Individual charity and forgiveness, from a love of God and an imitation of Christ, are the transformative hopes of social change, I think.


11 posted on 08/30/2009 4:24:37 AM PDT by Puddleglum ("due to the record harvest, rationing will continue as usual")
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To: Puddleglum

As a conservative my question is how and when do we get Catholics to start voting republican?


12 posted on 08/30/2009 4:27:06 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: Puddleglum
Catholicism is big and complex

I just caught that, why is it?

13 posted on 08/30/2009 4:31:20 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: nickcarraway

Yet O’Malley was there, giving the Roman church’s official blessing to its deceased member. Can you say “hypocrite”?


14 posted on 08/30/2009 4:56:22 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: nickcarraway

O’Malley should be ashamed of himself for adding to the Scandal with his presence at the “Mass” for this Murderer and Abortionist.
Adding to the Scandal was allowing the “Commander in Chief” Abortionist inside the Church.


15 posted on 08/30/2009 5:17:21 AM PDT by chatham
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To: chatham
O’Malley should be ashamed of himself for adding to the Scandal with his presence at the “Mass” for this Murderer and Abortionist.

Adding to the Scandal was allowing the “Commander in Chief” Abortionist inside the Church.

I agree completely. Nothing does more to destroy religion than for any church to honor someone literally went out of their way to break every single rule of the faith.

16 posted on 08/30/2009 6:02:19 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: nickcarraway

God is a great equalizer and I am sure upon death many people have found that out. When it comes to death; more people pray to God than to government or mere mortals.


17 posted on 08/30/2009 6:10:53 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: kittymyrib
Exactly! And hypocrites were the one group that Jesus Christ hated.

I'd be curious to see how much $$$ has been donated to the RC Church by the Kennedy's especially in the last year or so since Ted got the news.

Money talks and bullsh*t walks. The Kennedy myth needed to be perpetuated, morals and standards (what are those) be damned.

18 posted on 08/30/2009 6:13:39 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Eric Cartman for president in 2012)
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To: ansel12
What I mean is that if the very public issues of abortion and gay marriage are left out of the equation, then where on the political spectrum do Catholics fall, are they even more left than they appear?

Most, if they follow Catholic taaching, would be Libertarian. The life and marriage issues tend to push them towards conservatism. JMHO.

19 posted on 08/30/2009 6:23:46 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: kittymyrib
Can you say “hypocrite”?

I could say worse. That there were three eulogies, which is not part of a Catholic funeral Mass really is the icing on the cake. Blccch.

FWIW, most of the "conservative" catholics I've met from that neck of the woods are so far left of Conservative Catholics in TX, it's like we reside on different planets.

20 posted on 08/30/2009 6:34:13 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: nickcarraway

This is NOT a defense of Teddy. Just one respone as to why he received a Catholic burial....and all those blessings.

According to church teachings, the blessings were for his immortal soul........not approval of the man and his deeds.

The church does not judge the man.......the church teaches that the judgement of the man is left to God.

A Catholic ceremony for the deceased is the church interceding for the soul of the deceased......it’s one of the benefits of being a Catholic that the church will intercede for the soul since the deceased person cannot.

The church teaches that a soul consigned to hell forever is the worst fate to befall a person. That is why they intercede........even for the worst sinners.


21 posted on 08/30/2009 7:19:38 AM PDT by Liz (When people fear govt, we have tyranny; when govt fears the people, we have freedom.)
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To: Liz

Agreed. Now Ted has to answer for the one life he ended (Mary Jo) and the 40 million lives he indirectly ended through his support for abortion. If God considers life to start at conception, Ted is currently in Hell.


22 posted on 08/30/2009 8:38:56 AM PDT by seamusnh
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To: ansel12

You have already beat this drum on another thread in the recent weeks.

You should have had all the answers you were looking for on that thread.


23 posted on 08/30/2009 8:47:21 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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To: ansel12

I think economically liberal and socially conservative would be a fair shorthand.


24 posted on 08/30/2009 8:48:53 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: seamusnh
If God considers life to start at conception, Ted is currently in Hell.

well......ted's church considers it murder....thou shalt NOT kill.

25 posted on 08/30/2009 9:28:32 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Running On Empty

Nobody ever tries to answer that question, do you remember what the answers were that you claim have been posted?


26 posted on 08/31/2009 3:42:56 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: sockmonkey

They may support eliminating border controls and letting the world come to America without limit but most other libertarian positions they would reject, unrestrained homosexuality in the military and in adoption and marriage, totally unrestrained pornography, drugs and prostitution and the unrestrained public advertising of all those services and the marketing of newly invented dope for stoners etc.

Catholics have been around for 1700 years or so and they used to run nations and currently many nations are “Catholic” , I’m not aware of any Libertarian instincts from them. Do you find Catholic countries libertarian?


27 posted on 08/31/2009 4:02:01 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: nickcarraway

But Obama is a man of great faith.....The Swimmer said so in his letter to the Pope.


28 posted on 08/31/2009 4:04:53 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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