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Nebraska doctor takes up Tillerís mission to keep late-term abortions available
Kansas City Star ^ | 8/30/09 | Scott Canon

Posted on 08/30/2009 6:33:09 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur

BELLEVUE, Neb. | At the end of a day of performing one abortion after the next after the next, LeRoy Carhart phrases the question himself.

“Do I think I’ll get shot? I hope not,” the physician says. “Is it a possibility? I think it’s a very, very good possibility.”

Meantime, the potbellied military retiree, grandfather and horse lover carries on the same steady abortion business that has defined, dominated and directed his life for the last two decades.

Now he stands at the most thinly manned front line in America’s abortion wars — almost daring the opposition to stop him from performing late-term abortions.

The anti-abortion group Operation Rescue mustered its troops for rallies outside Carhart’s clinic Friday and Saturday in Bellevue. When the pitch of protests fades, the group promises to recruit a local resistance to do everything it can to shutter his offices.

That, in turn, has brought abortion rights activists to join forces on Carhart’s behalf, mounting counterprotests and promising legal help to keep him at work.

(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Kansas; US: Nebraska
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionists; carhart; tiller
Mission???? Tiller's "Mission"????
1 posted on 08/30/2009 6:33:10 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
... almost daring the opposition to stop him from performing late-term abortions.

This murderer should be very careful for what he wishes.

2 posted on 08/30/2009 6:35:22 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I should display his work. If he is so very proud of the “heroic” effort he is making he should let the whole world see it. I’m sure he can find some “brave” supporter willing to video him as he does his work.

Monster.


3 posted on 08/30/2009 6:36:54 AM PDT by scory
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To: Non-Sequitur

for the lawyers-when is a fetus a human? has that been decided? are there not legal protections for people who kill murderers in defense of helpless victims?


4 posted on 08/30/2009 6:37:47 AM PDT by LibraTango (hithvptv)
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To: Non-Sequitur

My father was a long time family doctor who delivered hundreds of babies. He could never understand how any doctor worthy of the title could engage in abortion. He often said that God would punish both those who performed abortions and those responsible for allowing them to happen. Somehow I think Teddy Kennedy needed more than a papal blessing to atone for his abortion advocacy.


5 posted on 08/30/2009 6:39:59 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Now he stands at the most thinly manned front line in America’s abortion wars — almost daring the opposition to stop him from performing late-term abortions.

"Manned?" "Thinly-manned?" Doesn't the Kansas City Star's Manual of Style and Usage have something to say about using such sexist code words, which have the effect of perpetuating a male-dominated, phallocentric society?

And, by the way, how many female late-term abortionists are there? Gee, I'd think there'd be an interesting story there just waiting for one of our MSM's oh-so-curious reporters to jump on! Follow the truth, wherever it goes, right ladies?

6 posted on 08/30/2009 6:40:06 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Non-Sequitur
Tiller's mission from hell. Complete with genocide, buthery and blood, and a strong delusion.

THE GRUESOME TRUTH ABOUT THE ABORTION HOLOCAUST & THE DEATH OF DR. TILLER[Warning:Graphic]

7 posted on 08/30/2009 6:40:15 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Non-Sequitur

I guess some people will do anything for money. Maybe he’s angling for a slot in the obama regime under “dr.” zeke emmanuel?


8 posted on 08/30/2009 6:42:39 AM PDT by henry_reardon
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To: Non-Sequitur

Horse-lover?


9 posted on 08/30/2009 6:44:38 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: Non-Sequitur; Jeff Head

Evil never sleeps.


10 posted on 08/30/2009 6:44:44 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: The Great RJ
re: Somehow I think Teddy Kennedy needed more than a papal blessing to atone for his abortion advocacy.)))

Is there any word of him getting one?

11 posted on 08/30/2009 6:45:37 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: Non-Sequitur

“It’s the Money, stupid, it’s the money.”

Emily’s List.
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000113


12 posted on 08/30/2009 6:45:39 AM PDT by BilLies
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To: Non-Sequitur

Disgusting POS.


13 posted on 08/30/2009 6:46:57 AM PDT by muddler
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To: Non-Sequitur

“Carhart says he has performed somewhere between 40,000 and 75,000 since the early 1990s “

That’s as close a figure you can remember @sshole?


14 posted on 08/30/2009 6:52:25 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Is it a coincidence that Obama's vacation of relaxation and meditation coincides with Ramadan?)
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To: scory
I should display his work. If he is so very proud of the “heroic” effort he is making he should let the whole world see it. I’m sure he can find some “brave” supporter willing to video him as he does his work.

Exactly. How about a reality show? If it's such "honorable" work, take a chance and put it out to the world!

15 posted on 08/30/2009 6:52:43 AM PDT by ScottinVA (I remember Jack Kennedy... Jack Kennedy was a President of mine.. and Teddy, you're no Jack Kennedy!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

He is nothing more nor less than a mass murderer.
A killer for hire.

The media is trying to make a hero out of this killer.


16 posted on 08/30/2009 6:55:51 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Non-Sequitur

Well, isn’t he just a profile in courage...(/s w/ the most x-treme total disdain & loathing)

He is beneath our contempt. And God’s.


17 posted on 08/30/2009 6:58:47 AM PDT by justkate
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To: Non-Sequitur

“Carhart says he has performed somewhere between 40,000 and 75,000 since the early 1990s “

Xs $100 per abortion. Let’s see that’s

$4,000,000 to $75,000,000. I think the first place I’d look at would be this guys tax returns.

Secondly, for a minute let’s not argue whether what he is doing is right or wrong, but assume that he actually is performing late term abortions on women who truly have a bona fide medical reason for this, (I’m not talking about the trumped up psychological reasons which are totally BS)...This should be very very very few women. And usually, these would be something that would be determined acutely...not electively...unless we’re talking about a severely deformed fetus. I think it would be very easy and proper for the state medical society to simply look at the indications given to man by his physical exam before he performs the abortions.

My understanding is that Tiller, basically had no contraindication and performed abortions on anyone, anytime, for the flimsiest of reasons.


18 posted on 08/30/2009 7:00:08 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Is it a coincidence that Obama's vacation of relaxation and meditation coincides with Ramadan?)
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To: nikos1121

$4,500,000 to $7,500,000


19 posted on 08/30/2009 7:01:33 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Is it a coincidence that Obama's vacation of relaxation and meditation coincides with Ramadan?)
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To: nikos1121

More likely $1,000 per abortion.

$45,000000 to $75,000,000


20 posted on 08/30/2009 7:02:47 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Is it a coincidence that Obama's vacation of relaxation and meditation coincides with Ramadan?)
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To: LibraTango
for the lawyers-when is a fetus a human? has that been decided? are there not legal protections for people who kill murderers in defense of helpless victims?

Careful getting the lawyers involved. There was a drunk driving case in Missouri a couple of years ago. The state legislature had passed a law saying life began at conception, and some lawyer tried to use that as a defense saying that if life began at conception then his client was 21 years and 5 months old when he was arrested for DWI, and therefore shouldn't be charged under the more strict underage drinking laws. I don't think he won.

21 posted on 08/30/2009 7:07:58 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Mamzelle

No. Kennedy wrote a long whiny self-justifying letter to the Pope, who responded with what was basically a form letter essentially telling Kennedy that he would pray for him and he hoped he had a nice day.


22 posted on 08/30/2009 7:10:32 AM PDT by livius
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To: LibraTango
for the lawyers-when is a fetus a human? has that been decided? are there not legal protections for people who kill murderers in defense of helpless victims?

I'm not an attorney, but I'll try to answer your question.

Among pro-choice people, only the idiots try to deny that the fetus is alive and that it is human. These are scientific facts and can't be effectively disputed.

In Roe and its followup decisions, the Supremes have decided that while the fetus is a living human, it is not a person under the law and has none of the rights of a person, not even the right to not be intentionally killed.

We thus are in the interesting position of having as a society decided that legally some living humans are persons and others are not.

We aren't even consistent in this, as fetuses can still be considered murder victims in some states and result in increased penalties for the killer of the pregnant woman. Fetuses can also inherit and sue for damages, after they're born, of course.

In practice, the only difference between a fetus that is a person and one that is not is the attitude of the pregnant woman. She wants the baby, it's a person. She doesn't want the baby, it's a blob of tissue that can be discarded at will with no legal consequences.

Oddly enough, despite the general liberal admiration for Europe, they ignore that, AFAIK, every European country has more restrictions on abortion than the USA.

23 posted on 08/30/2009 7:11:19 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: nikos1121

Do you have an example of a genuine medical condition that would require a partial-birth abortion rather than allowing the baby to be born the rest of the way?

I doubt there is one.


24 posted on 08/30/2009 7:14:48 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: pnh102

Sounds as if he has a death wish - how appropriate. Those case numbers are mind-boggling.


25 posted on 08/30/2009 7:18:39 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: Sherman Logan

I don’t need a legal opinion to determine what I need to know about most abortions. If it is viable and has to ability to grow fingers, toes, limbs, eyes, mouth ears, etc. that are in normal ‘human’ form, aborting them for trumped up reasons is MURDER, plain and simple.


26 posted on 08/30/2009 7:18:47 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: nikos1121
"“Carhart says he has performed somewhere between 40,000 and 75,000 since the early 1990s “

So let's say he has been performing abortions for 25 years and works dang hard doing it every year for 300 days a year.

That is 10 murders each and every day.

More than 1 murder for each and every hour for his working career.

Got to be some kind of hellacious record.

27 posted on 08/30/2009 7:20:31 AM PDT by GreyMountainReagan
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To: Non-Sequitur

So Carhart gets ALL the money now.


28 posted on 08/30/2009 7:28:31 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: nikos1121
...but assume that he actually is performing late term abortions on women who truly have a bona fide medical reason for this,...

When it's that late, a c-section is more appropriate. An unscheduled c-section takes twenty minutes, an emergency one takes two. A partial-birth abortion takes two DAYS. That's not an emergency procedure. The only reason for an abortion that late to assure yourself of a dead baby.

29 posted on 08/30/2009 7:31:50 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: GreyMountainReagan

As an actual individual hands-on killer, no doubt you are right.

Guys who set up organizations to do their killing could beat him out with one day’s “production.”

Example: the Mongols, who quite frequently murdered 100,000+ people on the fall of a city.


30 posted on 08/30/2009 7:32:37 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: GreyMountainReagan

I’m afraid that there alot of docs like him out there. Maybe not in every city, but certainly in every region of every state.

I was working in Springfield, IL some years ago, filling in at a local hospital.

I was shocked and amazed at the number of young girls I’d see coming in for physical exams before starting a job.

More than once, I’d comment on someone with an obvious late term abdomen, and I’d ask, “So when are you expecting?”

And they’d say, “Oh, I had an abortion last week.”

And the abortion occurred in the 7th month for no medical reason.

I think there are fanatics on both ends of the spectrum on this. Without advertised orphanages and homes for pregnant mothers, and pro life options for young girls who find themselves pregnant, by a family member...you are going to have doctors working over time to do abortions.

I just can’t see how anyone can justify...performing a casual abortion in the 7th to 9th month of life....


31 posted on 08/30/2009 7:35:31 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Is it a coincidence that Obama's vacation of relaxation and meditation coincides with Ramadan?)
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To: pnh102

Sadly, the most effective way to stop the murders is to stop the murderers...pretty soon, there won’t be enough money to convince “doctors” to perform this atrocity...

Our early forbears knew this, when the local customs/tax collectors were routinely tarred and feathered that left no one to carry out the oppressive laws..Perhaps we need to return to that method....


32 posted on 08/30/2009 7:39:48 AM PDT by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: Gaffer

What I find interesting is what I see as a disconnect in pro-life circles on this issue.

Few of us would deny that killing a man about to take the life of a three-year old is fully justified, indeed laudable, if it is the only way to stop him.

Many prolifers claim to consider abortion to be murder, yet decry any violence against abortion providers.

This inconsistency can only be resolved in two ways, that I can see:

1. Many if not most prolifers don’t “really” see abortion as murder, at least not in the same way they do the killing of a born child. They just claim to.

2. Many if not most prolifers aren’t willing to carry their premise to its logical conclusion. They shrink from the consequences if they did.

The good doctor has made it very clear he’ll keep aborting babies as long as he’s alive. Seems to me someone who really considers abortion to be murder would draw the obvious conclusion.


33 posted on 08/30/2009 7:40:16 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: nina0113

I think the term abortion as a medical procedure is the wrong term. No one performs “an abortion” for an abruptio placenta or placenta previa”.....A C-section is done.

In fact, there really shouldn’t be many reasons for a late term abortion. My understanding is that Tiller was performing almost all of his abortions on the pretense that the birth would cause psychological harm.

I suspect CARHART is using the same rational.


34 posted on 08/30/2009 7:40:24 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Is it a coincidence that Obama's vacation of relaxation and meditation coincides with Ramadan?)
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To: nina0113

I think claims that this is done primarily for money are likely to be inaccurate.

Nobody continues an obviously highly dangerous practice “only” for the money.

I disagree strongly with the doc, but it’s pretty obvious he believes what he is doing is right.


35 posted on 08/30/2009 7:43:23 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: livius
re: Kennedy wrote a long whiny self-justifying letter to the Pope)))

Would love to read that.

36 posted on 08/30/2009 7:43:27 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: GreyMountainReagan

I looked him up. He’s listed as an ER doc family practice.

You raise a good point. Let’s assume he did 50,000 abortions since 1993 the year he signed a compliance letter for the state of Nebraska.

So he’s doing abortions 25 years...

He works 200 days out of the year. That comes to 5,000 days in 25 years.

You’re right, that’s 10 per day. And if he performed 25,000 that would be 5 per day.

If he performed 75,000 abortions, that would be 15 per day.

In short, this clearly is the ONLY thing this guy does.


37 posted on 08/30/2009 7:46:04 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Is it a coincidence that Obama's vacation of relaxation and meditation coincides with Ramadan?)
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To: Sherman Logan
Oh, perhaps he believes he is right.

Or, perhaps he needs to get up in the morning and explain himself all day to anyone who will listen that he's right. Probably deep in the recesses of his dark soul, there's a dying conscience imprisoned in a cage. He just needs to return to it constantly and recheck the lock.

38 posted on 08/30/2009 7:50:18 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: Mamzelle

Humans have an infinite capability to deceive themselves.

In nothing are we more ingenious than in the development of rationalizations for evil.


39 posted on 08/30/2009 7:51:48 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: nikos1121

Late term abortions pay pretty well, as much as $5K per. Compare that to lopping off the feet of diabetics for a lousy $700, or creeping into little chirldren’s rooms to steal their tonsils. If he does 15 a day, that’s $75,000 per day. I doubt Teddy Kennedy’s genius brain surgeon does that well. Tiller was brining in millions per year.


40 posted on 08/30/2009 7:53:47 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: Sherman Logan
You won't get any arguments from me on your points.

I think it boils down to a religious stance on 'thou shalt not kill'....'it is God's domain to deal with sinners'....and the ever fashionable 'murder in any form is reprehensible'......

That said, you won't see me publicly advocating harm to these murderers for obvious reasons, but you won't see me lamenting their demise by others, either....

41 posted on 08/30/2009 7:53:55 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Not very many prolifers are full-blown pacifists, which would at least make their position consistent.

Probably most believe war is sometimes justified, that killing in defense of self or other is justifiable homicide. Probably most, in this country, believe in capital punishment.


42 posted on 08/30/2009 7:57:34 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Mamzelle
Horse-lover?

Yes, that phrase struck me, too. Shades of Peter Singer.

43 posted on 08/30/2009 8:37:21 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: nikos1121

1993 is not 25 years ago.


44 posted on 08/30/2009 9:07:18 AM PDT by Norman Bates
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To: Norman Bates

Excuse me...

You’re so smart and right it’s just 16 years ago...

So therefore...16 X 200 days=3200 days

75,000 abortions in 3200 days=25 abortions per day... (rounded)

Thank you for bringing this correction to our attention. You’re a gentleman and scholar...


45 posted on 08/30/2009 7:07:29 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Is it a coincidence that Obama's vacation of relaxation and meditation coincides with Ramadan?)
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To: Mamzelle

I wonder what the going rate for abortions is going to be under Obamacare...


46 posted on 08/30/2009 7:09:05 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Is it a coincidence that Obama's vacation of relaxation and meditation coincides with Ramadan?)
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To: nikos1121

Ooh. Touchy.


47 posted on 08/30/2009 8:27:03 PM PDT by Norman Bates
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To: nikos1121
I would suspect under Obamacare if it includes abortion and it will because it will be done for medical reasons the doctors would be paid an annual salary regardless of how many procedures they do.

Interesting to see if you would get as many willing to perform abortions if they are going to get the same or similar salary as a gynecologist who does not.

48 posted on 09/01/2009 1:44:42 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: snugs

I don’t know what a gynecologist charges for a therapeutic D & C, but I’m sure it’s a lot less than the Dr. Tiller’s out there are charging for abortions...

I don’t see doctors working under salary. They will be on a strict fee schedule that will be ratcheted down to very little.

Doctors will then be working for hospitals, and I suspect the last bastion of the private country doctor will vanish.

There needs to be some kind of assistance to hospitals now who treat the indigent. The private pay hospitals are NOT seeing these people, and therefore the not for profit hospital are , and they are dying out there and close to bankruptcy.


49 posted on 09/01/2009 7:41:20 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Is it a coincidence that Obama's vacation of relaxation and meditation coincides with Ramadan?)
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To: nikos1121
Don't be so sure that doctors will not be salaried under Obamacare like they are under our system.

In fact in some ways many doctor such as consultants and surgeons end up making a great deal of money because they work for several NHS hospitals each one being there so many days a week and then in the evening have a private clinic at the local private hospitals.

The argument that doctors will make less under a public option IMHO if you take the UK example does not hold water but does mean they are not based at the same hospital or clinic and are more difficult to contact though they normally have a private secretary or in some cases their wife who handles their schedules.

50 posted on 09/02/2009 1:54:29 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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