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McCain Denies Giving OK to a CIA Torture Tactic [attacks Bush]
Time/CNN ^ | 2009-08-30 | Michael Scherer & Bobby Ghosh

Posted on 08/30/2009 12:12:38 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator John McCain, a torture survivor from his days as a captive during the Vietnam War, says his private comments about harsh interrogation methods were misrepresented by the Bush Administration in a recently released legal document intended to justify a six-day-long course of sleep deprivation for one CIA detainee in November of 2007.

The newly declassified memo by the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel mentions a secret briefing McCain and other members of Congress received sometime before October 17, 2006. The memo says the lawmakers were told about six CIA interrogation techniques, including prolonged sleep deprivation.

The memo recounts McCain's reaction this way. "[S]everal Members of Congress, including the full memberships of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees and Senator McCain, were briefed by General Michael Hayden, Director of the CIA, on the six techniques that we discuss herein," writes Steven G. Bradbury, a deputy assistant attorney general in the July 20, 2007, memo, which cites a CIA summary of the discussions. "In those classified and private conversations, none of the Members expressed the view that the CIA detention and interrogation program should be stopped, or that the techniques at issue were inappropriate."

A spokeswoman for McCain said that contrary to those claims, the Arizona Republican repeatedly raised objections in private meetings, including one with Hayden, about the use of sleep deprivation as an interrogation technique. "Senator McCain clearly made the case that he was opposed to unduly coercive techniques, especially when used in combination or taken too far — including sleep deprivation," says Brooke Buchanan, a spokeswoman for McCain.

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; War on Terror
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1 posted on 08/30/2009 12:12:38 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

Tell JM to shut the hell up.


2 posted on 08/30/2009 12:14:28 PM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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To: lmarie373; Abundy; missanne; Victoria Delsoul; 50mm; stockpirate; Eaker; ducdriver; ChrisInAR; ...

The Juan McCain Truth File.

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3 posted on 08/30/2009 12:14:48 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: rabscuttle385

This guy has served his purpose. Time for Arizona to get a “real” conservative. I guess he feels that terrorists need to be fully rested before being questioned? Are these guys nuts?


4 posted on 08/30/2009 12:17:12 PM PDT by RC2
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To: rabscuttle385
My understanding is that McCain spilled everything he knew without being tortured but with the mere threat he would not receive medical care. What would he know, then, about the efficacy of interrogation techniques.
5 posted on 08/30/2009 12:17:29 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: rabscuttle385

I voted for Sarah not this nimbecile. Gawd John shut up and be a leader in your party.
Oh I forgot. You have to have a spine to do that. Guess they broke that too at the Hanoi Hilton did they? ]
Tell you what...take your little senate name plate there..go join your friends on the other side of the aisle and let a real GOP conservative run for your seat.


6 posted on 08/30/2009 12:26:37 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: rabscuttle385

” “[S]everal Members of Congress, including the full memberships of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees”

Well, doesn’t that put pelosi at the meeting also!


7 posted on 08/30/2009 12:27:29 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: rabscuttle385

Up yours Juan.


8 posted on 08/30/2009 12:33:55 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: rabscuttle385

When will the GOP tell this idiot to STFU? This moron is a DEMOCRAT. Both parties need to be expunged from DC.


9 posted on 08/30/2009 12:38:38 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: rabscuttle385

One may endure great pain and suffering making one to appear to be a Patriot; But, when that Pain and Suffering are only endured in order to survive and the Enemy Embraced once there is Freedom, then one’s Patriotism may be questioned.....One’’s Friends and Associates are a Reflection of Oneself, and when One chooses a Hanoi War Hero as One’s Close Friend, then is One still an American Patriot?.... Just a Question.... Not a Judgment by any means:-)


10 posted on 08/30/2009 12:39:23 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: rabscuttle385

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/arizona_poll_24_support_immigration_bill_51_have_unfavorable_opinion_of_mccain

Rasmussen Headline on June 05, 2007.

Arizona Poll: 24% Support Immigration Bill, 51% Have Unfavorable Opinion of McCain

The impact is even more noticeable on McCain who is now viewed favorably by just 47% of Arizona voters. Fifty-one percent (51%) have an unfavorable of their state’s Presidential hopeful. Just 15% now have a Very Favorable opinion of McCain while 22% have a Very Unfavorable view.


11 posted on 08/30/2009 12:40:55 PM PDT by eaglestar
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain is a banal, state media stooge. Nothing he says matters.


12 posted on 08/30/2009 12:43:02 PM PDT by pallis
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To: rabscuttle385

Would you folks in Arizona PLEASE dump this quack.


13 posted on 08/30/2009 12:46:48 PM PDT by Gator113 (It's about stupidity, stupid. IMPEACH HERE, IMPEACH NOW.)
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To: rabscuttle385

The “other” Manchurian Candidate.


14 posted on 08/30/2009 12:49:45 PM PDT by madison10
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To: rabscuttle385

The bright side of Obama’s victory was McCain’s loss.


15 posted on 08/30/2009 12:55:29 PM PDT by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Yep, join the chorus John.....IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!!

The best thing to come out of McLame is Sarah Palin as a running mate for POTUS.

If the team names were positioned the other way around, (Palin/McLame) we most likely would have a different couple in the WH presently and the political frustration we are presently experiencing wouldn't exist.

McLame would fit right in as V.P. just like (don't mess with) Joe Biden has.

16 posted on 08/30/2009 1:11:55 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain and Pelosi are both in extreme denial...in other words, they are both shameless liars.


17 posted on 08/30/2009 1:18:55 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: VRWC For Truth
When will the GOP tell this idiot to STFU? This moron is a DEMOCRAT.

When the GOP once again totes a conservative agenda.

18 posted on 08/30/2009 1:18:56 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: rabscuttle385

mc cain is just as bad as obama and we really didnt have anyone to vote for in last election....after all ...McCain thought he was entitletd to the office


19 posted on 08/30/2009 1:32:03 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: rabscuttle385

Just please lose. Arizona voters...please just finally kick the damn loser to the curb.


20 posted on 08/30/2009 1:37:25 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: rabscuttle385

How did this ass ever get the GOP nomination?


21 posted on 08/30/2009 1:47:47 PM PDT by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker

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22 posted on 08/30/2009 1:55:38 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: rabscuttle385

This a-hole was a piss poor Pilot and now he is a just a kiss ass from AZ. Term limits rings a bell.


23 posted on 08/30/2009 2:03:56 PM PDT by mortal19440
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To: rabscuttle385

What a prick. Perhaps Sean Hannity will remember that the next time he has Juan on for a softball lovefest.


24 posted on 08/30/2009 2:04:58 PM PDT by montag813
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To: rabscuttle385
Looking at this picture (Post #1) it is beginning to get hard to tell who gives me the most heartburn....McPaine is within an order-of-magnitude now...

However, on my "despise" scale, McPaine is still 100-orders-of-magnitude lower than oscumbo...

25 posted on 08/30/2009 2:16:38 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: RC2
This guy has served his purpose.

Actually I am pretty sure he served the Democrats/Obama purpose, which may have been his, but hope not.

26 posted on 08/30/2009 2:58:02 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: 3niner

McCain got the nomination because Democrat crossovers made it so in the primaries. As for his standing in Arizona, the rank and file Conservatives hate his guts, but he is strongly funded by the Party’s Phoenix/Scottsdale/Sedona plutocrats. He is planning to win re-election and then pass on the “mantle” to his daughter.


27 posted on 08/30/2009 3:08:19 PM PDT by Melchior
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To: RC2

McCain is politically (and maybe elsewhere?) bipolar.
Today a Dem.
Tomorrow a Repub.
Day after that, a Dem.
Then a....
Whatever the North Vietnamese did to him, it obviously worked.


28 posted on 08/30/2009 3:22:20 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The German High Command sent Lenin to destabilize Russia. Who sent Obama?)
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To: rabscuttle385

Run of the mill private disagreement in a snafu government. Time is now making a big deal about it because it fits with the bash-Bush meme du jour.


29 posted on 08/30/2009 3:23:57 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: Melchior

2008 elections: courtesy open primaries, etc, we were given the choice of Dem McCain or Dem Obama.

A choice of bad or worse.

I voted for Palin.


30 posted on 08/30/2009 3:24:56 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (The German High Command sent Lenin to destabilize Russia. Who sent Obama?)
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To: rabscuttle385

This old sailor Crash Juan McCain-Kennedy needs to fade away right now. I think his brain has been infected with Kennedy-Kerry Oldtimers. Is he working/hoping for a nice write up when he sails of into the sunset for the last time?


31 posted on 08/30/2009 3:27:02 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: OldArmy52

If McCain had taken the White House, he’d probably have found almost the entire remainder of the GOP in revolt against him.

By the way, why can’t conservatives screw up Rat primaries?


32 posted on 08/30/2009 3:27:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Barack Obama is a political suicide bomber and the Rats are political arsonists.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Ok McLame, explain this. August was the highest death toll for US Troops in Afghanistan and yet Obama has banned Enhanced Interrogation which was said to be a recruiting tool. How is that possible?
33 posted on 08/30/2009 3:34:54 PM PDT by tobyhill (Obama wants to pull the plug on grandma)
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To: itsahoot

It is my belief that McCain was put in to run for President because the Republicans didn’t want this economy. They knew McCain would not win.


34 posted on 08/30/2009 3:42:19 PM PDT by RC2
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To: rabscuttle385

Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel mentions a secret briefing McCain and other members of Congress

Senate Intelligence Committees and Senator McCain, were briefed by General Michael Hayden, Director of the CIA, on the six techniques that we discuss herein,” writes Steven G. Bradbury

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Is McCain calling ALL OF THESE PEOPLE LIARS?!


35 posted on 08/30/2009 3:47:46 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: rabscuttle385

If only McNuts would just go away!


36 posted on 08/30/2009 3:54:53 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: kcvl
Okay, Lord knows I hate doing this because I loathe McCain with just about every fiber of my being, but strangely enough I actually tend to believe him here.

He's always been anti-torture since the issue gives him the opportunity to do what he loves best which is to strut his sanctimonious self in front of the cameras ad nauseum - and we all know how much he enjoys reminding everybody how he was a POW.

I'd find it difficult to believe he didn't raise an objection when that was part of his well-known public schtick at the time, wasn't it? He introduced that McCain Torture bill in 2005 I think and they're talking about 2006 here. So what am I missing?

37 posted on 08/30/2009 4:14:35 PM PDT by leilani
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain, get thee to a doctor go!


38 posted on 08/30/2009 4:17:04 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: svcw

Pardon me, but is there a definitive list of approved interrogation methods? It seems it is a moving target.


39 posted on 08/30/2009 4:19:58 PM PDT by charmedone
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To: charmedone
Interesting. JM was tortured to the point it deformed his body, yet he has a problem with cigar smoke and water boarding.....good lord the man is a lunatic.
I mean these thugs at gitmo have clean linens, clothes, three squares a day, reading material, flushing toilets, showers, tv, radio, lap tops, out door exercises, arts and crafts, heat, a/c, prayer rugs.........honestly they are getting fat and lazy at the expense of the American taxpayer.
40 posted on 08/30/2009 4:31:22 PM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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To: svcw

I have my disagreements with McCain, but he is a hero, and gave more than a fair chunk of his life and health for this country. If I criticize him, it won’t be with the kinds of attacks used by liberals. There is plenty to criticize, but I will only do it on the substance. Sorry if we disagree on this aspect of the analysis.


41 posted on 08/30/2009 4:40:04 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: Gator113

“Would you folks in Arizona PLEASE dump this quack.”

I think he is due up next year. I think he will be voted out. I’m not even sure the local Repub. party would back him.


42 posted on 08/30/2009 4:42:28 PM PDT by charmedone
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To: NCLaw441
We can honor him for his service to this country but I disagree that this service can or should carry him his whole life.

JM has now gone off the deep end, which has zero to do with his previous service to this country.

43 posted on 08/30/2009 4:49:35 PM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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To: rabscuttle385

None of the libs would have political cover for this without John McCain and Lindsey Graham. Thanks for the gift to Soros/ ACLU.


44 posted on 08/30/2009 5:02:45 PM PDT by Rosemont
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To: charmedone

I think he is due up next year. I think he will be voted out. I’m not even sure the local Repub. party would back him.


If money talks then he’ll win going away. The last FEC filing I saw showed McCain with some $27 million cash on hand in his campaign fund.


45 posted on 08/30/2009 5:05:01 PM PDT by deport
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To: rabscuttle385

Arizonanas, I’m begging you to force this man off the public stage.


46 posted on 08/30/2009 5:56:24 PM PDT by bustinchops (Teddy ("The Hiccup") Kennedy - the original water-boarder)
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To: svcw

I say respond to his crazy positions with rational responses rather than name-calling. Of course, I prefer that same tactic for liberals, because I think it is more effective than just name-calling and insults— which I think is more of a DU tactic. I think it detracts from one’s point to use insults rather than logic. Obviously others differ, and that is their right.


47 posted on 08/30/2009 6:01:43 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: NCLaw441
McCain must have piloted a torpedo plane. He uses it against the GOP at every opportunity.


48 posted on 08/30/2009 6:11:34 PM PDT by o2bfree (This president is giving me a headache!)
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To: rabscuttle385

It’s past time to drum McCain out of the republican party. He belongs in bed with Specter!


49 posted on 08/30/2009 6:38:35 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: NCLaw441
When I called JM a lunatic I was using the classic definition and I believe it to be correct:

one who is mentally ill, dangerous, foolish or unpredictable.

This is not name calling, it is simply stating the case as I see it.

50 posted on 08/30/2009 6:43:11 PM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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