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As hybrid cars gobble rare metals, shortage looms
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 8/31/09 | Steve Gorman

Posted on 08/31/2009 8:58:12 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – The Prius hybrid automobile is popular for its fuel efficiency, but its electric motor and battery guzzle rare earth metals, a little-known class of elements found in a wide range of gadgets and consumer goods.

That makes Toyota's market-leading gasoline-electric hybrid car and other similar vehicles vulnerable to a supply crunch predicted by experts as China, the world's dominant rare earths producer, limits exports while global demand swells.

Worldwide demand for rare earths, covering 15 entries on the periodic table of elements, is expected to exceed supply by some 40,000 tonnes annually in several years unless major new production sources are developed. One promising U.S. source is a rare earths mine slated to reopen in California by 2012.

Among the rare earths that would be most affected in a shortage is neodymium, the key component of an alloy used to make the high-power, lightweight magnets for electric motors of hybrid cars, such as the Prius, Honda Insight and Ford Focus, as well as in generators for wind turbines.

Close cousins terbium and dysprosium are added in smaller amounts to the alloy to preserve neodymium's magnetic properties at high temperatures. Yet another rare earth metal, lanthanum, is a major ingredient for hybrid car batteries.

Production of both hybrids cars and wind turbines is expected to climb sharply amid the clamor for cleaner transportation and energy alternatives that reduce dependence on fossil fuels blamed for global climate change.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: china; dysprosium; elsewhereemission; gobble; hybrid; lanthanum; neodymium; prius; rareearth; raremetals; shortage; terbium
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1 posted on 08/31/2009 8:58:13 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Ron Paul should be able to find a replacement. He seems to think that we do not need to be engaged in world affairs anymore.

So what’s his plan?


2 posted on 08/31/2009 8:59:16 AM PDT by BobL
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To: NormsRevenge

China has decided to hoard them.


3 posted on 08/31/2009 9:01:02 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, now when the greenies start talking about “peak oil”, we can answer with “peak neodymium”.


4 posted on 08/31/2009 9:01:35 AM PDT by Zeddicus
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To: NormsRevenge

Unexpected consequences.


5 posted on 08/31/2009 9:01:43 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (May God save the American Republic.)
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To: GeronL

Exactly


6 posted on 08/31/2009 9:02:59 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (A Socialist becomes a Fascist the minute he tries to enforce his "beliefs" on the rest of us.)
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To: NormsRevenge

solution is DiL matter-antimatter conversion


7 posted on 08/31/2009 9:03:02 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: rabscuttle385

Saw it coming. =]

Greenies aren’t idiots. They want us to live in caves and chuck spears at our food. Thats the ultimate goal.


8 posted on 08/31/2009 9:03:37 AM PDT by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: rabscuttle385

The largest Nickel mines in Europe are in Kosovo. Now controlled by the ROP.


9 posted on 08/31/2009 9:03:42 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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A piece of bastnasite ore, which contains rare earth elements, is shown by Brock O'Kelly from Molycorp Minerals Mountain pass Mine in Mountain Pass, Califonia August 19, 2009. REUTERS/David Becker


10 posted on 08/31/2009 9:03:53 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: NormsRevenge

We can mine these in the USA, but China’s low prices in years past and heavy Environmental regs here in the USA means USA mines have shut down or are not expanding.


11 posted on 08/31/2009 9:04:42 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: GeronL

No fear, there is always somebody who wants America to get on her knees and crack ho our way in the world to get what we need.


12 posted on 08/31/2009 9:05:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: NormsRevenge

So....we must rely on Communist China for some of these rare elements to build the “green cars”? Right

More and more....sounds like enviromentalism/greenies and Free Trade Globalists are walking hand in hand....

Becoming dependent on Communist China....

People like Al Gore, George Soros, The Clintons, B Hussein Soetoro-Obama, the late Ted Kennedy, John McCain....all these support Free Trade Globalism and Global Warming-environmental schemes.

American wealth redistribution still at work


13 posted on 08/31/2009 9:05:49 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Illegal alien amnesty is anti-American bigotry)
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To: cripplecreek

Since we aren’t allowed to mine our own rare earth minerals anymore, this hoarding by China will make the prices skyrocket.


14 posted on 08/31/2009 9:09:02 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com)
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To: NormsRevenge

I see an interesting future as a scrap metals salvage expert and these cars.

Kinda like homeless people ripping out streetlight wiring and copper plumbing to sell for food money.

All the have-nots will be eying these “green” cars as rolling sources of black market rare metals that can be sold at high prices to make even more of these vehicles.

And some garages still steal your air bag system and fill your steering wheel area with a filler material because the air bag devices fetch top dollar on the street.


15 posted on 08/31/2009 9:09:43 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: BobL

Extract the necessary elements from sea water. EVERY natural element that exists in the earth’s crust is dissolved as part of some ion in sea water, and all you have to do is go through several cubic miles of same, combing out all the desired compounds, and discarding the remainder back into the sea.

That is just a general plan, details to be worked out later.


16 posted on 08/31/2009 9:09:50 AM PDT by alloysteel (....the Kennedys can be regarded as dysfunctional. Even in death.)
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To: GeronL
Since we aren’t allowed to mine our own rare earth minerals anymore, this hoarding by China will make the prices skyrocket.


That it will and the price we pay to China doesn't always mean dollars. All to often it means doing as we're told.
17 posted on 08/31/2009 9:11:12 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: NormsRevenge

another Wile E. Coyote moment for the Ecoweenies....


18 posted on 08/31/2009 9:11:49 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Crazieman

And that’s not idiotic? :)


19 posted on 08/31/2009 9:12:25 AM PDT by Rastus
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To: NormsRevenge
"One promising U.S. source is a rare earths mine slated to reopen in California by 2012."

Oh, the irony...

20 posted on 08/31/2009 9:13:31 AM PDT by telebob
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To: NormsRevenge

That guy seems to have 6 fingers!


21 posted on 08/31/2009 9:13:40 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: PGR88

Article from May 2009

Mountain Pass mine

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/hybrid-cars-minerals


22 posted on 08/31/2009 9:14:02 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hey, I have a GREAT idea! Let’s run cars off of giant batteries. Then we wouldn’t need to drill for oil or produce energy.

What do you think?


23 posted on 08/31/2009 9:14:14 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Health Care Reform has met the DEATH Panel.)
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To: massgopguy
Kosovo IS Serbia! Give it back!
24 posted on 08/31/2009 9:14:16 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: cripplecreek

Something else should be built and used instead of a vehicle that totally relies upon another nation to keep running.

Myself I would go into CNG, its actually possible for me an individual to pump my own natural gas and compress it to use in my vehicle, and even if there are those that wish to control it there is many other ways to get around taxation.

Screw China and their vision of world economic domination, and screw the Prius.


25 posted on 08/31/2009 9:15:17 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: April Lexington

Where did the other 4 fingers go?


26 posted on 08/31/2009 9:15:23 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Someone tell me again why we are building this JUNK?? When we have 300 years of Fuel in the ground.


27 posted on 08/31/2009 9:16:08 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
People like Al Gore, George Soros, The Clintons, B Hussein Soetoro-Obama, the late Ted Kennedy, John McCain....all these support Free Trade Globalism and Global Warming-environmental schemes.

Perhaps it is because they are all agents and supporters if Internationalism and the One World Society (where, of course, they get to be the elite and live like kings while 99% of the people on this planet live like commodities - visit a feed lot sometime...)

28 posted on 08/31/2009 9:16:10 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: NormsRevenge

This is a more to-the-point article from a week ago:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/6082464/World-faces-hi-tech-crunch-as-China-eyes-ban-on-rare-metal-exports.html

The Chinese manipulate the prices of these rare earths to discourage development of alternate sources, but the fact is, they have huge reserves compared to the rest of the planet.


29 posted on 08/31/2009 9:16:40 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: listenhillary

No, I mean 6 fingers on one hand!


30 posted on 08/31/2009 9:17:33 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, that, and the shortages of Electricity to come, and Crap & Tax, tripling the cost of electricity, shutting down 54% of our Electrical producers down. (Coal)

And don’t forget to cut off nose to spite face. Or, let the public in on that dirty little secret that not one vehicle will be produced without oil. You know, little items like plastics, lubrication, solvents, carpet, synthetic rubber, or coal for steel. Just add another 50% to the price tag and less than half of the population that can afford one without the government financing them. (Now, where have I heard that before?)


31 posted on 08/31/2009 9:19:37 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Give me LIBERTY or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: Cheetahcat

Maybe it will change after Americans all discover that Hussein earBama will erase 25% of their income buy letting the Bush tax cuts expire and shutting down our coal plants by making it unprofitable to produce electricity after crap and trade is enacted.

I hope that environmentalist becomes a curse word in the future. I want a clean environment, it’s just environmentalists are now more about micromanaging people’s liberty and freedoms away.


32 posted on 08/31/2009 9:24:02 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Prius (and other hybrid electrics) are an ecological disaster. Much better is a turbo diesel with about the same mileage.


33 posted on 08/31/2009 9:25:43 AM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: alloysteel
That is just a general plan, details to be worked out later.

Like where the electricity to power such extraction plants -- and electric cars, too! -- will come from. And then there's the problem of disposing of all those exotic batteries. We can't even figure out how to deal with disposing of the fluorescent light bulbs the government's mandated.

34 posted on 08/31/2009 9:28:44 AM PDT by Bernard Marx ("Civilizations die by suicide, not from murder" Toynbee)
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To: headsonpikes

At least China has shown its hand.

It has told world users - we do NOT intend to be a long-term, low cost, fair, reliable supplier!


35 posted on 08/31/2009 9:32:45 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: NormsRevenge

Russia/Former USSR has most of the rare earths, but they are hoarding them for their military.


36 posted on 08/31/2009 9:34:16 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: alloysteel

“Extract the necessary elements from sea water. EVERY natural element that exists in the earth’s crust is dissolved as part of some ion in sea water, and all you have to do is go through several cubic miles of same, combing out all the desired compounds, and discarding the remainder back into the sea.”

Brilliant...smart guy. Never thought of that. We can get our oil too, that way.

...wait, tankers are now double-walled...no more leakage. Looks like we’ll have to wait until the whales show up in our internationally-recognized territorial waters if we want oil.


37 posted on 08/31/2009 9:34:46 AM PDT by BobL
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To: massgopguy
The largest Nickel mines in Europe are in Kosovo. Now controlled by the ROP.

Foreign oil dependence might be reduced, but the same people will still have us by the short hairs.

38 posted on 08/31/2009 9:38:39 AM PDT by Charles Martel (NRA Lifetime Member since 1984; TSRA rookie)
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To: NormsRevenge

As long as the car manufactures work in a free market we have nothing to worry about.


39 posted on 08/31/2009 9:39:36 AM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: listenhillary
“I hope that environmentalist becomes a curse word in the future. I want a clean environment, it’s just environmentalists are now more about micromanaging people’s liberty and freedoms away.”

Of course there has to be some rules but what the EPA and the evniro Groups have done is cause more damage to this country than any Enemy could hope for, Note I left Zero out of the mix his chapter in our demise is not yet finished.

40 posted on 08/31/2009 9:43:14 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: listenhillary
I want a clean environment, it’s just environmentalists are now more about micromanaging people’s liberty and freedoms away.

Dead on. I use minimal pesticides on my yard because I don't want that crap in my environment but the greenies think it would be better to regulate everyone out of existence to gain a clean environment.
41 posted on 08/31/2009 9:45:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: BobL

Talk about a non-seqitiur...sheesh.


42 posted on 08/31/2009 9:46:44 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("It (Gov't) can't make you happier, healthier, wealthier, and wise" - Sarah Palin 07/26)
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To: headsonpikes

same exact link I was going to post...


43 posted on 08/31/2009 9:52:47 AM PDT by jurroppi1 (The American people deserve more than hype and claims from all parts of gov't (think founders)!)
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To: Bernard Marx

(Like where the electricity to power such extraction plants)

Generate the power from wave motion. I believe there is such a unit in the North Sea.


44 posted on 08/31/2009 9:54:43 AM PDT by Ed Condon (Wanted, newer tag line in good condition.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Wait until we take all these hybrids off the roads and have to dispose of these toxic materials. The fun is just starting!


45 posted on 08/31/2009 10:01:09 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: NormsRevenge

No blood for Neodymium!


46 posted on 08/31/2009 10:01:17 AM PDT by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: NormsRevenge

So we are reaching peak metal mining before we reach peak oil?


47 posted on 08/31/2009 10:11:29 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Kennedycare?Recall that "Animal Farm" begins with a Socialist Revolution to honor Big Major's legacy)
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To: alloysteel

The new Burns Omni-net - It sweeps the sea clean!


48 posted on 08/31/2009 10:13:14 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
Soros owns nearly a billion dollar stake in Petrogas in Brazil. They are drilling offshore with help of money from the Obama Administration.

It isn't about ending offshore drilling or the environment or getting off of gas.

it's about political payback and getting Americans over a barrel.

49 posted on 08/31/2009 10:14:10 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Kennedycare?Recall that "Animal Farm" begins with a Socialist Revolution to honor Big Major's legacy)
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To: NormsRevenge

Prius: $39,999*

* Batteries not included.


50 posted on 08/31/2009 10:27:29 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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