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Posted on 08/31/2009 4:09:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Frogjerk
Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on last nights edition of Penn & Tellers show. The program aired on Showtime which is owned by CBS:
The Nazis couldnt have done better. Having been in this job for over 16 years, I have never seen a more defamatory, obscene and vicious show on TV. And I mean about any religious or demographic groupnot just Catholics. The lies about the Catholic Church, to say nothing of the vile language used by Penn Jillette, were positively astounding. Moreover, it never attempted to be comedicfrom the very beginning it advertised the show as payback for 2,000 years of alleged crimes. This was Julius Streicher back from the grave.
In this half-hour show, the Catholic Church was blamed for every evil in history. Jillette said the intolerance, greed, paranoia, hypocrisy and callous disregard for human suffering was the hallmark of the Catholic Church. Others on the show branded the Church an amoral and power hungry institution that is just worried about its cash flow.
Jillette lied about the Vaticans reaction to Sabina Guzzanti, an Italian foul-mouthed comedian who staged an assault on the pope in 2008: the pope never sought to throw her sexy ass in jail and never once sought any punitive measure against herits all a bald face lie! Jillette lied about a 1962 Vatican documentit was a statement about penalties for priests who used the confessional to solicit sex: it was not a cover-up for sexual misconduct! He lied about Pope Benedict XVIhe had absolutely nothing to do with overseeing cases of priestly sexual misconduct in the United States! And so on.
(Excerpt) Read more at catholicleague.org ...
I don't even know what to say, and that really says something.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Mt 5:11-12)
I am surprised at Penn - I recall he seemed to be pretty level headed.
This is disgusting.
Hey Froggy, All I have to say on the matter is:
“it advertised the show as payback for 2,000 years of alleged crimes:
REMEMBER, the common calling card of ALL fascist movements is ‘historic justice’ And Obama is marked by that as well.
Mr. Donohue needs to read his Church history. I love the Catholic religion....but the history of the Church is horrifying. I rationalize it as the human flaw factor. The true faith has nothing to do with the heinous acts and crimes against humanity of which the men of the Church were horribly guilty.
Oh OK...In the meantime, what the heck happened?
I would love to see Penn Jillette criticize Islam and it’s barbaric past.
****I would love to see Penn Jillette criticize Islam and its barbaric past.****
Lets add Marxism and Fascism to the list too. Some people like to say that religion is the cause of all suffering of man, but it is an outright lie. Man is the cause of all suffering with a lot of it coming from Marxist and Fascist governments.
Well, since islam also has a barbaric “present” and a barbaric “future”, yeah, I guess talking about its barbaric “past” might be, ah, not a good career move.
I missed this particular episode, but I’ve long had a strong distaste for the needling, snide humor of Penn Jillette. Though our politics overlap well, he seems a nasty piece of work.
Sometimes, I feel like I’m living through a strange version of The Stand. The lines have been drawn. Evil is being drawn forcefully in one direction. The rest of us are being drawn in another direction. There isn’t much middle ground.
On the other hand, Teller had nothing bad to say about the church.
I didn’t see the episode in question, but will say that P&T are equal opportunity offenders. They have taken on many sacred cows of the left, including global warming, gun control and others. My personal favorite episode was about breasts.
FWIW, P&T’s long running show in Vegas is the only show in Vegas that is suitable for a 5 year old. They save the bad lanquage for Showtime.
Yes there were and are some people from the Catholic Church that are evil. You can say the same thing about all of humanity as a whole. And yes it is a human flaw factor that is involved.
I have never nor will I ever say that I am a perfect human being because I am Catholic. To the contrary, I grapple with my demons on a regular basis. The people serving the church are the same. Sometimes we fall.
But to keep holding the church(and that includes worshiper’s like me) accountable for things done in ages past is unfair.
I do not worship Pope Benedict. I do not worship the Bishop’s and the Cardinals, but I do worship Christ as a Catholic. I do not do this because I am ordered to or because I am brainwashed. I can leave at anytime, and choose not to despite the fact that the people running the show at the Vatican are not perfect. They aren’t supposed to be.
Donohue was not addressing all of the church’s dark history. Just the usual lies and garbage spewed about by the haters.
Thanks for the post. Bookmarked to read later.
Penn has zero tolerance for hypocrisy. He is a Libertarian and an Atheist. So, he’s half right. ;-)
A great many people, and institutions have done much harm masquerading by purpose or ignorance as Christians.
If we dare call ourselves Christians, we ought to pray that we honor God in all that we do and say. We’ll mess up of course, but God’s Grace is sufficient.
Continuing... Penn seems to know very very little about Christendom. His facts are wrong. But his distaste for the Catholic Church does have REAL roots in actual bad things done by leaders in the Catholic Church.
We need to stop giving him fodder by growing more mature in Christ every day.
Please, check out this very interesting video of Penn describing an encounter with a Christian that Penn describes as a “good, good man.”:
“Penn Says / A Gift of a Bible”
It’s touching. Penn was moved deeply (He’s still an atheist, though.)
I hope it is an encouragement to you to see what God can do.
I am a protestant, and very grateful to Christ that my salvation is His hands, not in the hands of any mortal man.
Remember, the Bible tells us there will be a time when people call good, evil, and evil, good. We have entered such a time. You shouldn’t be surprised at this. Liberals hate Christianity.
No, there isn’t. Years ago that very thing was prophesied, that there would be a dividing line between Christianity and unbelievers. It’s not black, white and grey any longer.
Amen. Excellent post.
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I am surprised at Penn
I am not the least bit surprised. Julette is a foul-mouthed pig.
Wow, that was a very impressive video. This man may say he’s an atheist, but there is a seed inside him that may just grow because of this man’s witness.
I didn’t mean Christianity and non. I’m not religious in any way, although not atheist. I meant more in terms of mindset.
There is definitely a different mindset between believers and non-believers, and democrats and republicans. I’ve always believed that.
What do you expect from them, kissy, kissy?
They did the same thing in Europe prior to declaring a master race.
Here there doing it by proclaiming supposedly justified , complete social control before unilaterally passing the "Health Care Bill."
You dirty rotten religious zealots who insist on freedom, we will show how nasty you were during the Inquisition ( a small voice says: "I wasn't alive then!")
Well lets turn the tables and show everyone how BAD the national socialists ( which is what Obama is and by proxy, NBC is too.)were in Germany and Italy EH??? Time to ante up and attack!!!!!
Mr. Donohue did read it...you are the one that has misinterpreted history....in the "progressive" (revisionist) mode.....
Bureaucracies always have corruption and the Catholics had their share. That said, ALL OTHER CULTURES had histories far worse than those governed by the Catholic and Christian countries on the whole. Look at the Mayans or the Aztecs Or the Hindus and the Arabs, Spartans, etc. and you will find far more inhumane practices.
At least the Catholic Church put vast resources into searching for the Truth, throughout history with St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Augustine, Mendel and the monastery education which had great effect on people like Galileo and Columbus, John Locke, Blackstone and many other famous people and led to the founding of the US--the greatest culmination and philosophical paradigm in the history of the world.
Thus, you could say Catholicism led to the most freedom in the history of the world for every race, including (unheard of ...women, children) than has ever been accorded any peoples in the history of the world.
Without the Catholic paradigm, which all Christianity flowed,thinking would not have evolved--the likes of John Milton, Dostoyevsky, Pascal, Descartes, etc., would never have had the opportunities to develop their thinking and achieve what they did if it hadn't been for the Catholic theology that preceded them.
The Catholic Church had changed the Western Civilization paradigm which produced men like Michelangelo, Raphael, Leonardo, not to mention the architects--it goes on and on and the improvement of Western Civilization by Christian thinking has led to the most productive, loving, self-sacrificing people on the face of the earth.
>>I am a protestant, and very grateful to Christ that my salvation is His hands, not in the hands of any mortal man.<<
I am a Catholic. Do you think that my salvation is in the hands of mortal man?
What an amazing post!
Lets see, slavery was legal at one time, countless Native Americans were slaughtered, Japanese American citizens were interred for no good reason, etc. etc.
Should we all renounce our citizenship or should we go on and try to make sure that these things do not happen again and try to improve life for all?
Doesn’t the Catholic Church give support to people like Teddy Kennedy, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi et al tacitly endorsing their positions on infanticide? Might help if they found even a little objection to that.
Yep, that’s about the picture I see as well. We’ve devolved into a coarse, craven, materialistc culture with few to speak against it all. I am a practicing Catholic and was - once again - aghast at the way they honored a very publicly infamous defier of our doctrines and teachings with a public Mass. I watched this thing on The History Channel on “Sex and the 60s” and having even lived through it as a teenager, I found it chilling to realize what so many of my generation fell for with sex as the bait. They say Mary Jo Kopechne was under less than 7 feet of water. I think we’re under far more than that.
When has the Catholic Church given it’s public support to these people? The vatican has openly chastised Ted Kennedy for his pro abort stance, John Kerry was told not to receive Communion, Nauseating Nancy was called to the Vatican by Pope Benedict for a smack down regarding her openly rejecting church teachings and portraying herself as a “devout Catholic”. That little meeting wasn’t a social call despite the way that stretch Pelosi played it off.
So basically, What the hell are you talking about?
There were a few people form the church that may have caved to these idiots, but it wasn’t the majority. Threre have been many Catholics in authority that have spoken out against these people publicly so please what is your point. I can pick out some real winners in the protestant church as well if you would like. Perhaps I should blame all of the Protestant church’s for their shortcomings.
“When has the Catholic Church given its public support to these people?”
Do ya think that the Pope could have intervened and stopped Obama’s vile entrance into Notre Dame? Yes, he could have but he didn’t. That would have made a statement for “life.” I am a Catholic but the moment Obama was allowed to take over Notre Dame and theoretically the Catholic church, I quit.
My take on this, which comes from this article alone, is that Penn Jillette was dredging up the church's dark history. So, is that history lies and garbage and if so what dark history would Donohue have to address?
If you read the article, you would see the lies that Donohue was addressing. Where in the article does it state anything about the church’s dark history being dredged up by Penn & Teller? I stated that in my post, it wasn’t in the article.
Donohue was addressing particular points brought up in the show.
Read the actual article, not just my post and then refer to it as the article.
Would you please stop taking it that way.
In no way shape or form has Obama taken over the Catholic Church. In his dreams.
Would I have liked the Pope to have said something, sure. Does it still annoy me that it was allowed to happen, absolutely. However, I will not let it eat me up inside to the point where I would leave the church.
The people running the show are far from perfect. But ultimately I do not belong to the church because I like them. I belong to the Catholic Church because of Christ.
>>Perhaps I should blame all of the Protestant churchs for their shortcomings.
Go ahead. <<
Why? What good does it do to beat on other Christians.
Sometimes I marvel at the Christians here that have to beat on other Christians to feel good or something.
Geez oh Pete, we’re on the same side TigersEye. Let’s act like it.
>>Would I have liked the Pope to have said something, sure.<<
The Vatican did say something about it.
So did many Bishops.
I stand corrected!
No, Tigerseye does.
Sometimes one must stand one’s own beliefs.
Smacking other’s beliefs is not a part of that.
Ooops, I replied to the wrong post!
I see his three points now. I don’t know anything about those three stories and haven’t seen the P&J show in question so I can’t comment on that. My apologies for taking your post out of context.
I wasn't suggesting that he ought to beat up on Protestants. I was just telling him to follow through on his threat. It was somewhat sarcastic. Sorry.
I am talking about the concept of excommunication.
I underestimated my own ability to be under informed. I had thought for some long time that one can be excommunicated by the decree of a man, and that this was equivalent to spiritual condemnation.
I had a brief moment of sensibility and did a wiki look up, and it appears that excommunication (in the Catholic Church) has really nothing to do with eliminating the spiritual communion between God and one of His children. They may not be able to take communion at mass (but perhaps they could take communion elsewhere), but the actions of the church leader have no authority whatsoever on the relationship between the congregant and the Lord.
I felt like you deserved a response from me. I’m sorry it’s not a better informed one. Five minutes of internet research does not a theologian make. I will attempt to refrain from further Catholic editorializing until some future time when I actually know something about it.
Thank you. That was very humble and I am so impressed. Seriously.
Thank you for showing yourself to be the kind of FReeper I strive to be but fail so often.
May the Lord Smile on you!
Thank you! That was very nice of you as well!
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