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Did Waterboaring JUST THREE Terrorists Save American Lives?
Flopping Aces ^ | 08-31-09 | Mike's America

Posted on 09/01/2009 5:33:34 AM PDT by Starman417

You be the judge. A remarkable article in the Washington Post describes how cooperative Khalid Sheikh Mohammed became after tough interrogations!

You'll want to read the whole article. Here's an excerpt:

How a Detainee Became An Asset
Sept. 11 Plotter Cooperated After Waterboarding
By Peter Finn, Joby Warrick and Julie Tate
Washington Post
Saturday, August 29, 2009

After enduring the CIA's harshest interrogation methods and spending more than a year in the agency's secret prisons, Khalid Sheik Mohammed stood before U.S. intelligence officers in a makeshift lecture hall, leading what they called "terrorist tutorials." ... Speaking in English, Mohammed "seemed to relish the opportunity, sometimes for hours on end, to discuss the inner workings of al-Qaeda and the group's plans, ideology and operatives," said one of two sources who described the sessions, speaking on the condition of anonymity because much information about detainee confinement remains classified. "He'd even use a chalkboard at times."

These scenes provide previously unpublicized details about the transformation of the man known to U.S. officials as KSM from an avowed and truculent enemy of the United States into what the CIA called its "preeminent source" on al-Qaeda. This reversal occurred after Mohammed was subjected to simulated drowning and prolonged sleep deprivation, among other harsh interrogation techniques. "KSM, an accomplished resistor, provided only a few intelligence reports prior to the use of the waterboard, and analysis of that information revealed that much of it was outdated, inaccurate or incomplete," according to newly unclassified portions of a 2004 report by the CIA's then-inspector general released Monday by the Justice Department. ... Over a few weeks, he was subjected to an escalating series of coercive methods, culminating in 7 1/2 days of sleep deprivation, while diapered and shackled, and 183 instances of waterboarding. After the month-long torment, he was never waterboarded again.

"What do you think changed KSM's mind?" one former senior intelligence official said this week after being asked about the effect of waterboarding. "Of course it began with that."

(Excerpt) Read more at floppingaces.net...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 911; ksm; terror; waterboarding

1 posted on 09/01/2009 5:33:34 AM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417
I will never understand why in the middle of a war it is somehow ok to shoot a predator drone at someone and their family and blow them into a billions pieces... but it is somehow wrong to instead capture the same man and question him using simulated torture that does no lasting damage.

And it especially confusing when the other side has no obligation what so ever to follow any rules at all, and quickly cuts the heads off any prisoners that capture.

2 posted on 09/01/2009 5:38:00 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied, the economy died)
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To: Starman417

American lives, British lives, anyone planning to fly transatlantic to/from Dulles and Heathrow that summer when all the flights were cancelled, suddenly.

Plus people driving over the Brooklyn bridge the day of the planned attack that was stopped.

Plus people living in/near the hi-rise that dirty-bomber (John Doe #2) Jose Padilla was planning to bomb.

Read the declass reports for more.


3 posted on 09/01/2009 5:41:04 AM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
"...and quickly slowly cuts saws the heads off any prisoners that capture."

Fixed it.

4 posted on 09/01/2009 5:41:44 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (The only time I want a Republican reaching across the aisle is to smack a liberal.)
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To: Starman417
You bet it did. I actually believe Dick Cheney, and have no reason not to. The intel results from the interrogations are available. Its not a "what if" proposition, its QED.
5 posted on 09/01/2009 5:42:45 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

A future attorney general can pursue the case of whether predator attacks ordered by the obama adminstration that kill civilians or that merely maim for life- were “torture”


6 posted on 09/01/2009 5:42:50 AM PDT by silverleaf (If we are astroturf, why are the democrats trying to mow us?)
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To: Candor7
To Demoncrats, if the interrogations worked, they must be torture. If they don't work, as in pre 9/11, it is what they want and blame Bush.
7 posted on 09/01/2009 6:00:19 AM PDT by BilLies
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To: Starman417
Because of FDR's devotion to socialism he ignored Soviet spies in his administration.His love of “Uncle Joe Stalin” made him blind to the many subversive infiltrators placed in our government—infiltrators dedicated to America's joining the global communist community taking their orders from Moscow.
Later administrations,led by patriot Presidents and the heroic J. Edgar Hoover,purged these traitors to America and haters of the US Constitution and provided us all with the golden age of freedom and prosperity post WWII.
Well,the “Red Diaper Babies” (those hatched and raised in socialist lies),led by Marxist swine like Obama and Pelosi have their chance at revenge—and Americans became so dumned downed by MSM perfidy and public school mendacity they let socialism loose in America in 2008.
Now voters regret and the dedicated minority of the aware seek to turn the tide.
Not much chance as most Americans still love MSM swill,but a chance nonetheless.
8 posted on 09/01/2009 6:04:10 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Conservatism seduces the mind while Liberalism enslaves the body.")
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To: BilLies

Take a look at what the enemy in Afghanistan is doing largely unreported by the US MSM:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2328343/posts

And these weenie socialists worry about getting accurate intel via waterboarding?Surfs UP for them!!!!!


9 posted on 09/01/2009 6:09:46 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: Starman417

Ping to what the Taliban does to its own Afghan citizens:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2328343/posts

Graphic photos at article link


10 posted on 09/01/2009 6:11:16 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: Starman417

We had 7 years with no successful attacks. The Bush Team did their job. History can’t discount it and if those creeps who were waterboarded helped, so be it. If it didn’t, so be it.


11 posted on 09/01/2009 6:18:21 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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