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'Atheists are out to get us!' says Catholic League president, compares Penn & Teller to Nazis
Examiner.com ^ | Aug 31st, 2009 | Hugh Kramer

Posted on 09/01/2009 9:14:22 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814

"And not just atheists," said Bill Donohue during an August 31st Fox News interview. "I’m talking about people who are disaffected Catholics and Protestants who are mutineers within their own religion, trying to change things." It wasn't just "militant, dogmatic" atheists and "disaffected" Christians that the Catholic League president complained about either. Donohue also had a few choice words for magicians Penn & Teller whose Showtime series, Penn & Teller: Bullsh*t!, just ran an episode on the history of the Catholic Church. "This was the most Nazi-like assault,” Donohue said. “The most unrelenting half an hour of bashing I’ve ever seen.”

Bill Donohue made his comments on the Fox Network show Fox & Friends. He appeared there in order to promote his new book, Secular Sabotage: How Liberals Are Destroying Religion and Culture in America.

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If he thinks that Penn & Teller's show was the most "Nazi-like assault" he's ever seen, he needs to see more WW2 documentaries.
1 posted on 09/01/2009 9:14:23 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814
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To: GL of Sector 2814

Bill leads a cloistered life.


2 posted on 09/01/2009 9:16:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GL of Sector 2814
“Penn & Teller: Bullsh*t!, just ran an episode on the history of the Catholic Church.”

Sounds more tame than where the Nazis started from.

3 posted on 09/01/2009 9:17:05 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Kennedy complained at 2:55 am to the hotel owner that he had been awoken by a noisy party.)
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To: GL of Sector 2814

Everyone knows what you get with Penn and Teller (bullsh#t). Poorly researched, personal opinion mixed in with folk lore, urban legend cr*p. I still find them mildy amusing at times!

Mel


4 posted on 09/01/2009 9:22:24 AM PDT by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: GL of Sector 2814
Penn and Teller can be rude atheists, but you'd be hard pressed to find two people more supportive of the United States of America and its philosophy of freedom and self-government.

They're hardly Nazis.

5 posted on 09/01/2009 9:22:25 AM PDT by mc6809e
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To: GL of Sector 2814

From what I’ve seen, Penn is quite tolerant of believers (much more than many militant atheists).


6 posted on 09/01/2009 9:23:17 AM PDT by Sloth (Ted Kennedy's brain tumor has killed more people than my gun.)
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To: GL of Sector 2814
""This was the most Nazi-like assault,” Donohue said."

Must have lived a very sheltered life...

7 posted on 09/01/2009 9:23:30 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: GL of Sector 2814

“I’m talking about people who are disaffected Catholics and Protestants who are mutineers within their own religion, trying to change things.”

Yeah, Catholics: Toe the line and shut up about the entrenched corruption and sexual misdeeds or you’ll be singled out like a Zerobama protester at a union rally.

Sheesh!


8 posted on 09/01/2009 9:25:17 AM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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To: melsec

You’ve got to admit, to get those environmentalist whackos to sign the petition to ban Dihydrogen Monoxide was pure brilliance.

Other than the religious aspects, for the most part Penn and Teller are right on. And even on the religious aspects, they make a point. But that says more about those who use religion as a scam, than on those who truly do believe in God.


9 posted on 09/01/2009 9:25:48 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sloth

“From what I’ve seen, Penn is quite tolerant of believers...”

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Tolerant?

Well that’s big of him.

I wouldn’t want to inconvenience him or anything....


10 posted on 09/01/2009 9:27:00 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: GL of Sector 2814

When will Penn & Teller release their hilarious expose of the history of Islam?


11 posted on 09/01/2009 9:27:07 AM PDT by chrisser (Jim Thompson is the the finest, bravest, most honorable American I have ever known...)
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To: Sloth
From what I’ve seen, Penn is quite tolerant of believers

More so than some of the crevos here on FR of others and their beliefs.

12 posted on 09/01/2009 9:30:35 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: EyeGuy

“Tolerant?

Well that’s big of him.

I wouldn’t want to inconvenience him or anything....”

From what I’ve seen, it’s more than could be said about a number of the posters on this forum where atheists are involved.

Most atheists don’t really care what other people believe, we just don’t happen to share those beliefs, or be forced to participate in them - although most of us also don’t really care about references to God in national anthems and the like, either.


13 posted on 09/01/2009 9:33:26 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: dfwgator

I do remember that - very funny. Penn and Teller just take the opposite view from those precious held ones and use that to make a show - I don’t begrudge them that - people should just realise that what they are watching is comedy or an attempt at it and should not take it too seriously. They are laughing all the way to the bank.

Mel


14 posted on 09/01/2009 9:34:23 AM PDT by melsec (A Proud Aussie)
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To: melsec

And they also really took the “truthers” to task as well.


15 posted on 09/01/2009 9:34:56 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GL of Sector 2814

A pattern I’ve noticed is that there are many Catholics who link their identity more to their church than to Christ. So Penn & Teller’s show on the Catholic Church is probably far more outrageous to the Catholic League than anything else they have ever said about worshiping God.


16 posted on 09/01/2009 9:34:57 AM PDT by rom (Israel got Saul before they got David. Where's our David?)
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To: Pistolshot
I would have said 'more accepting' rather than 'tolerant' but the point is pretty much the same. They understand that it's okay to have different viewpoints and not everyone has to agree. So long as one isn't forcing their way on another.

More so than some of the crevos here on FR of others and their beliefs.

On top of that, they are Libertarians. Sometimes I feel like even uttering that word on FR is a mortal sin. At least from what I've seen.
17 posted on 09/01/2009 9:39:24 AM PDT by krykel
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To: Sloth
They don't strike me as being "neutral" on Christians.

Penn & Teller ridicule Christ's crucifixion - Comedy duo presents skit where angel performs sex act on 'Jesus' (January 20, 2003 )

The magic-comedy team of Penn & Teller has performed a stunt parodying the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, offending some attendees of a major magicians' convention, reports columnist Norm Clarke of the Las Vegas Review.

The skit, performed last week in Las Vegas, included Teller, dressed as Christ on a full-size cross, entering the room on a cart. According to the column, a midget dressed as an angel "performed a simulated sex act on the near-naked Teller." Penn, in a Roman gladiator costume, unveiled the scene by pulling away a "Shroud of Turin" that covered the cross.


18 posted on 09/01/2009 9:46:35 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Kennedycare?Recall that "Animal Farm" begins with a Socialist Revolution to honor Big Major's legacy)
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To: rom
A pattern I’ve noticed is that there are many Catholics who link their identity more to their church than to Christ.

Yep. How about Christ's teachings? Read the bible and see what it actually says rather than letting a hierarchy of popes, cardinals, monsignors, priests tell you.
19 posted on 09/01/2009 9:48:46 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 ("Peace" is that brief, glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading - Anonymous)
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To: GL of Sector 2814
Mr. Donohoe needs to remember that Jesus warned all of us about this type of stuff. He is right to point out the open hostility that is coming toward Christians at an accelerated rate, while Satanic practices such as Islam and Secular Humanism are openly embraced.

His words were simple: We are not of the world, therefore the world will reject us.

Prayers for those who hear God's Word, but openly reject it.

20 posted on 09/01/2009 9:49:32 AM PDT by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: GI Joe Fan
...while Satanic practices such as Islam and Secular Humanism are openly embraced.

Secular Humanists are Satanic? They don't even believe in Satan...

21 posted on 09/01/2009 9:52:29 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's theology is another man's belly laugh --- Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: -YYZ-

most of us also don’t really care about references to God in national anthems and the like, either.


One nice way to an atheist to think about the “under God” phrase is that our nation is below certain higher principles (of liberty, as recognized in our Constitution).

The difference between atheists and believers is merely where those principles originated.


22 posted on 09/01/2009 9:54:26 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Socialism: The sin of envy, masquerading as a political movement.)
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To: GL of Sector 2814

I’m still trying to figure out what episode he saw. They really haven’t hit on Christians directly since season 2, maybe season 3’s episode on seeing Jesus’ face in tortillas, but they’re wrapping up season 7, Bill’s way behind the curve on this one.


23 posted on 09/01/2009 9:55:20 AM PDT by discostu (When I'm walking a dark road I am a man who walks alone)
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To: rom

A pattern I’ve noticed is that there are many Catholics who link their identity more to their church than to Christ.


Do you mean their parish community “church”, or to the Church?


24 posted on 09/01/2009 9:55:29 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Socialism: The sin of envy, masquerading as a political movement.)
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To: GL of Sector 2814
Excuse me.

Psuedo-intellectualism such as Secular Humanism is on the list of false religious identities spread by Satan.

While not intrensically evil as Islam, it is still a LIE designed to distract people from pursuing God.

25 posted on 09/01/2009 9:55:52 AM PDT by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: a fool in paradise

I didn’t say “neutral”, but fair enough. On the other hand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JHS8adO3hM


26 posted on 09/01/2009 9:57:15 AM PDT by Sloth (Ted Kennedy's brain tumor has killed more people than my gun.)
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To: discostu

I’m assuming he is referencing the season finale. It was really about the Vatican. Not really about the history of the Catholic Church. I didn’t read the article yet though.


27 posted on 09/01/2009 9:58:14 AM PDT by krykel
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To: Beelzebubba

The Roman church, not their local church.


28 posted on 09/01/2009 9:59:57 AM PDT by rom (Israel got Saul before they got David. Where's our David?)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

How about Christ’s teachings? Read the bible and see what it actually says rather than letting a hierarchy of popes, cardinals, monsignors, priests tell you.


I’m no religious scholar, but didn’t Christ basically tell people to found a church, and teach his word, so that all future generations could be taught about it?

That gaggle of humans who comprise the Church today are simply doing their best to follow 2000-year old marching orders from Jesus. Moreover, Christ didn’t seem to intend Christianity to be a home-school experience. There are sacraments, and a community that are part of the plan.

The notion that religious officials are twisting the words in the bible to their own ends is an interesting one, but there is a mountain of scholarly work on the subjects dating back for ages. You can’t just throw that out there and expect anyone to be persuaded.


29 posted on 09/01/2009 10:01:14 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Socialism: The sin of envy, masquerading as a political movement.)
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To: rom

Then what you say makes no sense. It’s almost by definition impossible to be devoted to the Church and not to Christ.

But if they’re telling you you’re going to hell because you’re a Methodist, then they aren’t very good Catholics.


30 posted on 09/01/2009 10:04:08 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Socialism: The sin of envy, masquerading as a political movement.)
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To: krykel

Ahh OK, couldn’t find any info on that ep on the Showtime site, Wiki to the rescue.


31 posted on 09/01/2009 10:05:39 AM PDT by discostu (When I'm walking a dark road I am a man who walks alone)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

“Read the bible and see what it actually says rather than letting a hierarchy of popes, cardinals, monsignors, priests tell you.”

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Personally, I find a great deal of clarification, expansion and historical and sacramental context in what these devoted scholars have to say. They have helped me immensely on my journey.


32 posted on 09/01/2009 10:06:21 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: Sig Sauer P220
Yep. How about Christ's teachings? Read the bible and see what it actually says rather than letting a hierarchy of popes, cardinals, monsignors, priests tell you.

A couple of points:

1) The Catholic Church has been guiding people in matters of Christ since before the ability to read was common, and before printing presses. The system was set up long before the "read your Bible" mantra would even have made sense. The Church has brought more people to the word of Christ than all the Protestant churches combined, and they've been doing it for 2000 years.

2) While each person should certainly take the time to read and understand his own Bible, the creative interpretations of the Bible that we're seeing now from many (now apostate) Protestant churches shows the down side of having an interpretive free-for-all. The advantage that the Catholic Church has is theology rooted in 2000 years of intense study, which is not so easily changed according to the latest political or cultural fad.
33 posted on 09/01/2009 10:09:29 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: GI Joe Fan
Excuse me.

Okay, you're excused. For what, I'm not sure...

Psuedo-intellectualism such as Secular Humanism is on the list of false religious identities spread by Satan.

Well, you're certainly free to believe that. It just seems a bit silly to describe someone as a devotee of something they don't even believe exists.

While not intrensically evil as Islam, it is still a LIE designed to distract people from pursuing God.

Can't people simply create philosophies such as Secular Humanism without a supernatural being whispering in their ear?

34 posted on 09/01/2009 10:17:18 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's theology is another man's belly laugh --- Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Nathan Zachary

As I said “cloistered”.


35 posted on 09/01/2009 10:32:46 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: fr_freak

While I agree with Point #1 — to quote from Spiderman (don’t know what Chapter or Verse, lol): “With great power comes great responsibility”

Most of my friends and family who are Roman Catholics have been told by their Priests and Church hierarchy that the Bible is a collection of stories and things like, “The Plagues in Exodus was just myth(!)” Two people as disparate in space and time as my mother in law, my wife’s best friend both have been taught this.

This confuses me greatly, because I know that is not official Catholic teaching. So how does this happen?

So I’m sorry — that’s just as wrong headed as the apostate Protestant churches and so shows that no human organization is without error. And now we start seeing splinter Charismatic Catholic Churches as well.

So no denomination is free of error, but if we have our Bibles to search the truth — we ourselves can spot heresy.


36 posted on 09/01/2009 10:37:29 AM PDT by rom (Israel got Saul before they got David. Where's our David?)
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To: Beelzebubba

I am going to be as delicate as I can with as poor of a communication medium as the Internet allows :). So pardon me if it sounds strong, because it is not meant to be.

I know some Catholics who are ready to pounce on you if you dare to even question the Immaculate Conception of Mary as taught by the Church. If you mention the Pedophile “scandal” (which I do think is a big deal only because some were moving priests around) then the defense of the Church goes into full swing.

However, if in the same conversation a person dismisses the Bible as a bunch of stories, or that we do not even know if Christ walked the earth — this same group of Catholics will not even get involved in the discussion (and often, they will even tell you that they do not believe most of the Old Testament).

Now, most of the Catholics I know on FreeRepublic are NOT of that mold (though there are some that are) — but the ones I know in my life for the last 30 years DO fit that mold.

It’s sad because there’s so much that unites us as believers in Christ — but when I need them to jump to the defense of Christ or the Bible I rarely have them around.

However, they are usually staunch allies in the defense of life — both young, old, wanted, unwanted, sick or in great health. So, what are you going to do but love them? :-)


37 posted on 09/01/2009 10:43:32 AM PDT by rom (Israel got Saul before they got David. Where's our David?)
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To: GI Joe Fan

Satanic practices such as {snip] Secular Humanism are openly embraced.
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Shaking head.

You demonstrate that you have no idea what a Satanic practice is, nor what secular humanism is, when you make such a silly comparison as you have.


38 posted on 09/01/2009 11:08:24 AM PDT by dmz
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To: rom
While I agree with Point #1 — to quote from Spiderman (don’t know what Chapter or Verse, lol): “With great power comes great responsibility”

Amazing Fantasy #15, August 1962.

Yes, I am a comic book geek.

39 posted on 09/01/2009 11:40:36 AM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's theology is another man's belly laugh --- Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: rom
This confuses me greatly, because I know that is not official Catholic teaching. So how does this happen?

So I’m sorry — that’s just as wrong headed as the apostate Protestant churches and so shows that no human organization is without error. And now we start seeing splinter Charismatic Catholic Churches as well.


You said the answer to this problem yourself - it is not official Catholic teaching. It is only because an actual official Church doctrine exists that one can determine whether a member of the clergy is incorrect or not. If a priest, as you say, were to teach something outside of the Church doctrine, then that priest is provably wrong and can be corrected or ignored, and should be. Certainly the Church contains flawed human beings. That is precisely why a firmer guide has its advantages.

As far as splinter Catholic Churches go - if they do not follow the Vatican, they are not Catholic. They can call themselves Catholic, but they aren't. You can't blame the Catholic Church for those who won't follow the Catholic Church. Besides, there is another name for offshoots of the Catholic Church: "Protestants".
40 posted on 09/01/2009 12:16:50 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: chrisser
When will Penn & Teller release their hilarious expose of the history of Islam?

Don't be silly. Cowards of that stripe only attack folks they know won't hit them back.
41 posted on 09/01/2009 12:18:54 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sarah Palin will soon have more fans on Facebook than most major newspapers have readers.)
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To: GL of Sector 2814
Secular Humanists are Satanic? They don't even believe in Satan...

Don't kid yourself...
42 posted on 09/01/2009 12:19:49 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sarah Palin will soon have more fans on Facebook than most major newspapers have readers.)
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To: Antoninus
Secular Humanists are Satanic? They don't even believe in Satan...

Don't kid yourself...

Secular Humanists don't believe in the supernatural by definition. Quoting the the Council for Secular Humanism:

Secular humanism is philosophically naturalistic. It holds that nature (the world of everyday physical experience) is all there is, and that reliable knowledge is best obtained when we query nature using the scientific method. Naturalism asserts that supernatural entities like God do not exist, and warns us that knowledge gained without appeal to the natural world and without impartial review by multiple observers is unreliable.

This would certainly rule out belief in Satan, wouldn't you agree?

43 posted on 09/01/2009 12:36:55 PM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's theology is another man's belly laugh --- Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: dmz
I am not interested in discussing false religious beliefs and pseudo-intellectual ideologies with you if you are not interested in showing some sort of mutual respect.

Good day to you.

44 posted on 09/01/2009 1:03:27 PM PDT by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: GL of Sector 2814

Satan’s greatest trick is making people believe that he does not exist.


45 posted on 09/01/2009 1:04:33 PM PDT by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: GI Joe Fan
Satan’s greatest trick is making people believe that he does not exist.

If he does actually exist, that would be correct.

If he doesn't...not so much.

I repeat my question: Can't people simply create philosophies such as Secular Humanism without a supernatural being whispering in their ear?

46 posted on 09/01/2009 1:15:51 PM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's theology is another man's belly laugh --- Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: GI Joe Fan

I am not interested in discussing false religious beliefs and pseudo-intellectual ideologies with you if you are not interested in showing some sort of mutual respect.

__________________

Shouldn’t that respect go both ways? You want respect for your views while you refer to mine as ‘satanic practices’, ‘pseudo-intellectual’, and ‘false religious beliefs’.


47 posted on 09/01/2009 1:16:32 PM PDT by dmz
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To: GL of Sector 2814
Secular humanism is baseless when it comes to defining WHY things are the way they are. It falsely holds that nature (the world of everyday physical experience) is all there is, while simultaneously being totally incapable of explaining WHY nature came to exist. Reliable knowledge is best obtained when we query nature using the scientific method, but as far as WHY natural order is the way it is? Nah, can't quite answer that one. Naturalism FALSELY asserts that supernatural entities like God do not exist, and WRONGLY warns us that knowledge gained without appeal to the natural world and without impartial review by multiple observers is unreliable.

That's right. Your life is meaningless and totally without purpose, right?

Right.

48 posted on 09/01/2009 1:21:38 PM PDT by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: dmz
Secular Humanism maintains that life is totally meaningless and without a divine purpose.

That is why it's a worthless belief to anyone capable of rational thought.

The concept of having to answer to a higher source is what angers most Secular Humanists. Gee, just imagine what the Afterlife will be like when someone conducts an audit of all your past experiences no matter how trivial.

I also note that Secular Humanists are among the most arrogant people I have ever encountered.

49 posted on 09/01/2009 1:25:08 PM PDT by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: GI Joe Fan
I was simply describing Secular Humanism, not defending it. When I pointed out that Secular Humanists don't believe in Satan, you said, "Don't kid yourself". In support of my assertion, I reprinted the definition of Secular Humanism from the Council for Secular Humanism, which explicitly asserts the non-existence of supernatural entities such as Satan.

Why are you asserting that they do believe in Satan?

50 posted on 09/01/2009 1:34:06 PM PDT by GL of Sector 2814 (One man's theology is another man's belly laugh --- Robert A. Heinlein)
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