Skip to comments.Cops jump on swine-flu power: Shots heard 'round the world'
Posted on 09/01/2009 7:49:56 PM PDT by Man50D
A "pandemic response bill" currently making its way through the Massachusetts state legislature would allow authorities to forcefully quarantine citizens in the event of a health emergency, compel health providers to vaccinate citizens, authorize forceful entry into private dwellings and destruction of citizen property and impose fines on citizens for noncompliance.
If citizens refuse to comply with isolation or quarantine orders in the event of a health emergency, they may be imprisoned for up to 30 days and fined $1,000 per day that the violation continues.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
HIV and AIDS are specifically excluded from the section on isolation and quarantine:
Section 96. (a) In this section, isolation means separation, for the period of communicability,
450 of infected individuals or animals from other individuals or animals in such places and under
451 such conditions as will prevent the direct or indirect transmission of an infectious agent to
452 susceptible people or to other individuals or animals who may spread the agent to others. In this
453 section, quarantine means restricting the freedom of movement of well individuals or
454 domestic animals that have been exposed to a communicable disease for a period of time
455 relating to the usual incubation period of the disease, in order to prevent effective contact with
456 those not so exposed. In this section, disease or condition dangerous to the public health does
457 not include acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) or the human immunodeficiency
458 virus (HIV).
God help us. This administration is totally out of control.
Now we know why 0bama is so, um, concerned about our health.
As Man50D pointed out, "this was initially written by a lawyer who was also very involved in Hillary Clinton's health care task force."
Obama is a front. Obamacare is actually Hillarycare, and it always has been. And damn near everyone in "his" administration is a long-time Hillary tool.
This entire administration is an illusion.
How is MA’s law different from stock quarantine laws?
I’ve been thinking along those lines as well.
Is it a coincidence that Axlerod was grooming both Obama and Deval Patric?
Is it a coincidence the Deval Patric has taken such a strong, really Totalitarian stance on this issue?
Is it a coincidence that Obama “borrowed” some lines from early campaign speeches from Deval Patric?
Maybe the power behind the throne looked at both of them as “useful idiots”, just wasn’t sure which one would gain traction first on a run for the WH.
Maybe a stretch to think that, but not entirely out of the question...
Any unvited person that forces entry to my home dies as they try ......one more reason to stay out of such socialist states.
This never waste a crisis concept will go real bad for those trying to govern real Americans with it.
The bill passed and signed in Pennsylvania permits temporarily isolation or quarantine
of individuals (without a declaration of emergency).
Nice and statist.
This never waste a crisis concept will go real bad for those trying to govern real Americans with it.
Obama's (or his cronies') first mistake: they did not disarm the populace.
I don't care that this is happening in Massachusetts, but I'm concerned that a group of government representatives thinks that they have the right to do this. The Northeast has turned into Great Britain circa 1800. And yes, Squantos, I heartily echo your sentiments on this. ANYONE uninvited in my home, regardless of name, rank, serial number, badge number, inmate identification, driver's license number, or voter ID will be met with EXTREME force. And, as the Lord is my witness, should I die in the conflagration, "Confutatis maledictis, voca me cum benedictis"
While the wicked stand confounded, call me with thy Saints surrounded
(b) Specifically, but without limiting the generality of section 2A and notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, the commissioner shall have and may exercise, or may direct or authorize other state or local government agencies to exercise, authority relative to any one or more of the following if necessary to protect the public health during an emergency declared pursuant to section 2A or a state of emergency declared under chapter 639 of the acts of 1950.. During either type of declared emergency, a local public health authority as defined in section 1 of chapter 111 may exercise authority relative to subparagraphs (1), (2), (3), (4), (6), (7), (13), (14), and (15); and with the approval of the Commissioner may exercise authority relative to subparagraphs (5), (8), (9), (10), and (11):
(1) to require the owner or occupier of premises to permit entry into and investigation of the premises;
(2) to close, direct, and compel the evacuation of, or to decontaminate or cause to be decontaminated any building or facility, and to allow the reopening of the building or facility when the danger has ended;
(3) to decontaminate or cause to be decontaminated, or to destroy any material;
(4) to restrict or prohibit assemblages of persons;
(5) to require a health care facility to provide services or the use of its facility, or to transfer the management and supervision of the health care facility to the department or to a local public health authority;
(6) to control ingress to and egress from any stricken or threatened public area, and the movement of persons and materials within the area;
(7) to adopt and enforce measures to provide for the safe disposal of infectious waste and human remains, provided that religious, cultural, family, and individual beliefs of the deceased person shall be followed to the extent possible when disposing of human remains, whenever that may be done without endangering the public health;
(8) to procure, take immediate possession from any source, store, or distribute any anti-toxins, serums, vaccines, immunizing agents, antibiotics, and other pharmaceutical agents or medical supplies located within the commonwealth as may be necessary to respond to the emergency;
(9) to require in-state health care providers to assist in the performance of vaccination, treatment, examination, or testing of any individual as a condition of licensure, authorization, or the ability to continue to function as a health care provider in the commonwealth;
(10) to waive the commonwealths licensing requirements for health care professionals with a valid license from another state in the United States or whose professional training would otherwise qualify them for an appropriate professional license in the commonwealth;
(11) to allow for the dispensing of controlled substances by appropriate personnel consistent with federal statutes as necessary for the prevention or treatment of illness;
(12) to authorize the chief medical examiner to appoint and prescribe the duties of such emergency assistant medical examiners as may be required for the proper performance of the duties of the office;
(13) to collect specimens and perform tests on any animal, living or deceased;
(14) to exercise authority under sections 95 and 96 of chapter 111;
(15) to care for any emerging mental health or crisis counseling needs that individuals may exhibit, with the consent of the individuals.
Just something of note on almost all these orders.
Most Americans can’t even plan for a 3-day emergency situation, let alone a 30 day in-home quarantine. Let alone if you have it, then a week later your husband catches it...it could mean several months.
How much food does the average American have stocked?
Not to worry! The government will provide for all your needs.
...I’m not the average American but I’m well stocked....ammo and food..
swine-flu powers article ping
All I need is beans and bullets!
And a little bit of vitamin water, it is after all the 21st century.
HAHAHAHAHA!!! Break into my house at your own risk....LOL! Thank you God i needed a good laugh.
Beans and bullets work for me!
Just like Hussein in Iraq. Give the populace a month's supply at a time; not allowed to have more than that on hand.
They're going to be sued over this one. And the SC will be on our side.
What is Virginia and Kentucky?
WE HAVE A WINNER!
I'm even beginning to worry about the SC. Are they following the law or making it up as they go along. *sigh* These are scary times we live in.
Trust me - allowing police to walk into a private home without a warrent on a grand scale like this is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Obama and thugs might think this is their private totalitarian state, but it’s NOT.
We have enough food for a little over 30 days. More, if we get really basic.
To break it to everyone, this stuff didn’t start with influenza, but for other, and really nasty, reasons.
Back in the “good ol’ days”, which was about through the end of World War II, the US was plagued with epidemics. This caused tremendous national anger, and there were many instances of almost war footing to subdue the damned things. Yellow fever, the poxes including smallpox, tuberculosis, polio, typhus, typhoid fever, whooping cough, etc.
Doctors who detected a serious communicable disease were instantly little dictators, because they had to be. Quarantines, arrest if necessary, and all the other things found in these bills were just expected of them.
Today, the wonder of antibiotics are losing their strength. The shield that kept America epidemic free for 60 years is no longer working as well as it used to.
This means some truly horrible diseases are again menacing our nation. Already, if someone is detected as having Extremely Drug Resistant Tuberculosis, they *will* be put behind bars in an isolation war. No lawyer, habeus corpus, or any other civil right that might endanger the public, is permitted.
And suddenly, we are faced with what could be the deadliest epidemic in human history. Not Swine flu, but Avian flu H5N1.
No matter how harsh this Massachusetts law may appear, it is nothing compared to this disease. There will be a public panic, the likes of which has never been seen before. Ironically, much of what is in the proposed law won’t do much of anything to slow down the disease, but put that down to helplessness, not tyranny.
Cities and towns will erect their own barricades against outsiders. The military may have to respond, but not as police, but just as spare hands, to help keep people fed, to drive trucks, whatever is needed.
Time to give the household weapon a good cleaning.
The backhoes for digging the mass graves.
Why did our dear leader leave open the border with Mexico when the Mexican flu was announced back in June?
Then you will become a target of the warrentless search, you are not the norm according to statistical analysis.
Think about, if 95% of your area are under prepared...
They won’t need a warrant to come into your home for an “inspection.” I’ve played this scenario out in my head a number of times. The knock on the door with the guys in white suits who just came from the neighbor’s home. They were sick. No one in my home is sick, but they didn’t doff and don new gear to do the home search. They walk in with contaminated gear and contaminate my home.
I refuse to let them in, until they redress out for the search of my uncontaminated home.
Either way I end up being forced to leave with them, get sick in their facility, and maybe even die.
I can only speak for Texas, but in Texas, you have a right to habeas corpus, even in quarantine. Of course, if you do have full blown tuberculosis, and you have refused medication, and you have further continued to go out in public, hacking and coughing and spreading tuberculosis bacilli all over everyone you meet, the Texas Courts will find that your detention is legal, and leave you in the State TB Hospital, until your condition has improved.
Good points as well.....this administration is insane. .
Country is spoiled. Most people have no clue. If we ever had a pandemic with even a 1918 fatality rate of 3% or so, all this civil liberties stuff would go out the window. Three percent would mean the average HS would see 18 dead kids. Anyone who squawked about being inoculated or quarantined. wouldn't have to worry about the government. They would have to worry about some parent taking them out.
Now that you mention it, didn't the hildabeest have her roots in Illinois, pre-Arkansas?
I didn’t want to put it so bluntly, but that is to a great extent correct.
Ironically, you *want* the military to do that, for several reasons. The first is that they will try to do it right. And that means a lot of things. Not just that the hole is deep enough, but that some sense of order is used, which means keeping some degree of individuality to the burials, by using GPS.
They will do other things to keep wild animals and dogs away. The mass burial site will be clearly marked. Decontamination facilities will be nearby. Pesticides will be used. etc.
“Texas has placed 17 tuberculosis patients into an involuntary quarantine facility this year in San Antonio.”
Ironically, denial of habeus corpus in these cases is done by the court itself, precluding further demands by those under quarantine. This is different from denying habeus corpus to other groups (such as minors), which is done prior to their ever having been to court.
I talked with an old man who as a child lived through the Spanish flu. His parents confined him to their home for about a year and a half.
However, their house was on the route from the town to the cemetery, so looking out his second story window, he could see the coffins go by. The small coffins really got to him, as he would wonder which of his peers had died.
After the epidemic was over, it became a forbidden subject for discussion, and the people who died were not mentioned, because everyone knew that everyone else had suffered. And only since the 1970s has there been an effort to recover much of the old data about the disease.
I’m not enthusiastic about these laws but I do now from studying up about pandemic for a while, that even a death rate like the 1918 pandemic will cause havoc here and elsewhere, modern medical stuff notwithstanding.
The NYC Mortuary Association had a meeting last week in which they were told the CDC predicts a 2.2 t 3.5 CFR with 52,000 to 86,000 deaths. For this pandemic. In NYC alone. I may have gotten one of the CFR slightly off, but that’s pretty much what I read.
People who think this is a hoax or something created by 0bama’s adminstration or the CDC don’t know what the hell they are talking about.
I am not very polite about this because I’m tired of people saying crap when they know nothing. Even in CA some head medical dude warned of infrastructure disruption due to absenteeism and supply chain disruption.
H1N1 is of little importance as other than an infrastructure “dress rehearsal” for the Avian flu H5N1 epidemic, that has the potential for being the deadliest plague in human history.
There really is no comparison of probable mortality for H5N1 among human diseases. This is magnified by the cytokine storm or Acute Respiratory Disease Syndrome (ARDS), the overreaction of the immune system, which can be caused by many things, including a novel influenza, and has a 50% death rate in its own right.
ARDS happens on about day 5 of symptoms, and requires the use of an oxygen ventilator, of which the US is in very short supply. And with ventilation, a doctor can usually tell from a single chest X-ray if the patient will live or die, the lung damage is so severe.
Therefore, there is a desperate effort to find some drug formula that can inhibit the immune system enough so that it does not overreact. This is very difficult, as some 150 histamines and other chemicals are involved in the cytokine storm, and their interactions are not fully understood.
Hopefully an Over The Counter recipe can be devised, and there are some good possibilities of taking out several of the major antagonists.
Then, if someone doesn’t develop ARDS, they only have to contend with the virus itself, which also can be deadly.
So was the Bush administration...They're puppets in chiefs..
These guys are being manipulated and orchestrated by well connected, super rich globalist SOBs standing behind the curtains.
In reality, Obama is just an amateur street Communist, a leftist who's told what to do...Bush passing off the batton to this guy was all orchestrated...I think the elections are and have been corrupted, and compromised....Put some black guy in office so when things start crashing down, hopefully the blacks won't riot cause *their* guy is in there, and if the whites bitch and don't fall in line, accuse them of being racist...
All presidents front political machines. But the difference between Obama and Bush is stark, and I don't agree to the comparison. The only president Obama is similiar to is Clinton, in that the weekly, even daily rain of catstrophic news and outrage never stops, and it's always in a form that undermines America.
Which is no surprise, since ALL of Obama's people came from Hillary's camp.
Thanks for the ping!
Do you understand what habeas corpus is? It is not a get out of jail/prison/tb-ward/whatever free card. It is a way that a person under confinement can force the State to demonstrate to a neutral court that the confinement is legal. The fact that the court concludes that the confinement is legal, and does not release the person from confinement, does not mean that they have been denied their habeas corpus rights. You do not have a right to not be confined. You have a right to not be confined illegally.
That is correct, but what is being suspended by the court is the possibility of future HC writs. Ordinarily, because one writ is rejected does not preclude the filing of subsequent writs. But what in effect the court is saying is that the court will no longer hear subsequent HC writs from that individual.
Yes, I agree with everything you’ve said; other than that the possibility of severe pandemic may be possibe with this H1N1, since all genomic segments (or whatever they’re called, I’m a science illiterate) are novel in humans. It could develop a higher CFR, especially if H5N1 gets in the mix. Ferret studies were done that suggested that if swine flu or H1N1 co-infects with the main seasonal flu strain, this can also cause much more severe illness in the ferret that is infected subsequently.
I am merely reporting what much more intelligent people have discussed in this regard.
I have also read that ARDS has a death rate of 50%, and that is WITH modern medicine being available. At home, I would assume most with that condition would die.
For one of the truly creepiest statements you have heard in a long time:
“Severe is relative”.
In this case, a severe H1N1 might kill from 100,000 to 300,000 Americans. But a severe H5N1, with its current mortality, could kill tens of millions of Americans.
H1N1 is just a dress rehearsal. Even in its more virulent form. H5N1 is like the freaking Andromeda Strain. It has more in common with the myxomatosis that wiped out almost all of Australia’s rabbits from 1950 to 1952, than it does with any other known human disease, as far as mortality goes.
My .02, and they’re worth about that, is that if/when H5N1 goes human to human, it’ll reduce to maybe 10 to 15% CFR. I’ve been reading about it since I first saw it in the news in Hong Kong, maybe 5 years ago or so? I saw it on FR first, then found flu forums. Of course, if it becomes highly transmissible, even a CFR of 10-15% would be a TEOTWAKI situation.
I have a poor track record for prophet-ism.
Since there have been news articles from Egypt claiming they have 3 patients with swine H1N1 and H5N1, who knows, maybe they’ll meet up and create something new. Of course the CDC says it’s not so, but the CDC is a political creature whose function is to keep the populace racking up their credit cards. We’ll see.
The rule book is being rewritten by H5N1 in a lot of ways. Unlike other influenza types:
1) It doesn’t limit to RT, but reproduces in several internal organs as well.
2) It has defied the typical declining mortality curve, by maintaining the 60% mortality for years now, in all places except Egypt, where a somewhat less mortality curve exists in a *pediatric* clade, allowing it a better chance of recombination with other flu types and strains.
3) The three or maybe four major clades, Chinese, Bangladesh, Indonesian and Egyptian, are each taking different, but almost equally ominous paths.
The Chinese clade is increasing its geographical endemic range, with outbreaks popping up hundreds of miles apart.
The Bangladesh clade is more oriented to attacking other mammals than humans, and threatens widespread famine.
The Indonesian clade is the currently highest human mortality.
And the Egyptian clade is moving into a pediatric form. Once it “accomplishes its recombination mission”, it can reemerge as a more lethal form.
4) It has an amazingly high number of animal vectors, many having very different immune systems, such as cats, dogs, and fish. Its mortality varies tremendously between species, which aides in its travel.
5) Because it is a novel pathogen, a far smaller quantity of virus is needed to transmit the disease than typical, as the immune system will be unaware of it for days during its incubation period.
6) There have been familial clusters that have killed all related family members, but not even infected spouses who dwelt in the same household.
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